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Re: The coming Civil War

Unread postby jedrider » Tue 02 Jun 2020, 11:12:58

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The insurrection begins against the fascist state. (Image from Huffigton Post https://www.huffpost.com/)
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Re: The coming Civil War

Unread postby asg70 » Tue 02 Jun 2020, 12:17:05

vtsnowedin wrote: It is a more plausible motive then that of a looter coming out of a store with boxes of sneakers in broad daylight in view of TV cameras. Not much thinking going on there.


Not sure what your point is. Looters DID come out of stores with boxes in broad daylight. They jumped into cars on camera recording their license plate numbers. I watched this on TV.

My problem is people treat it as a pet hobby to manufacture random conspiracy theories and then they take a life of their own. This kind of thing dumbs down society and deserves to be called-out.

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Re: The coming Civil War

Unread postby dolanbaker » Tue 02 Jun 2020, 13:22:10

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Re: The coming Civil War

Unread postby dissident » Tue 02 Jun 2020, 13:28:04

People are such saps. Antifa is a Soros operation and it has been antifa and not some mythical right wing extremists that are at the core of this "uprising". George Floyd's family has condemned the violence and it is clear that his murder was a pretext and he is already forgotten.

Keep on believing that this is a popular uprising. That is utterly delusional. If people are so "oppressed" by a fascist state then they would be rising up sporadically over the last 50 years. Looting events are not uprisings. If you think that Soros serves your "left wing" interests better than "tyrant" Trump, then you are beyond redemption. You can vote Trump out, brainiacs, but you can't vote out a corrupt oligarchy. One that has already bought the D. Party in totality. Trump is your only hope for democracy and not Soros and his antifa brownshirts. Antifa is not leftist and its black and red colors rub that into your face. It is "national socialist".
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Re: The coming Civil War

Unread postby jedrider » Tue 02 Jun 2020, 13:41:56

dissident wrote:People are such saps. Antifa is a Soros operation and it has been antifa and not some mythical right wing extremists that are at the core of this "uprising". George Floyd's family has condemned the violence and it is clear that his murder was a pretext and he is already forgotten.

Keep on believing that this is a popular uprising. That is utterly delusional. If people are so "oppressed" by a fascist state then they would be rising up sporadically over the last 50 years. Looting events are not uprisings. If you think that Soros serves your "left wing" interests better than "tyrant" Trump, then you are beyond redemption. You can vote Trump out, brainiacs, but you can't vote out a corrupt oligarchy. One that has already bought the D. Party in totality. Trump is your only hope for democracy and not Soros and his antifa brownshirts. Antifa is not leftist and its black and red colors rub that into your face. It is "national socialist".


This is an uprising against 'Trumpism'. Part of that is police brutality, which BTW, which exists in many cities with Democratic mayors and governors. How is this possible, you may say? Well, if Trump were in charge everywhere, he would have fired EVERYBODY already, but that is not how we usually work as a society. However, by appointing conservative judges, this whole process is fated to go on for years. Welcome to the perpetual civil war.
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Re: The coming Civil War

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Tue 02 Jun 2020, 14:26:28

asg70 wrote:
Not sure what your point is. .

I was comparing my suspicion that some business owners were attempting" successful fires" under the cover of the riots to get out of bankruptcy, imposed on them by the lockdowns which is at least logical to the stupidity of looting a store on camera.
They just brought up this topic on the radio talk show I'm listening to but I had it a day before.
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Re: The coming Civil War

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 02 Jun 2020, 17:33:20

jedrider wrote:
dissident wrote:People are such saps. Antifa is a Soros operation and it has been antifa and not some mythical right wing extremists that are at the core of this "uprising". George Floyd's family has condemned the violence and it is clear that his murder was a pretext and he is already forgotten.

Keep on believing that this is a popular uprising. That is utterly delusional. If people are so "oppressed" by a fascist state then they would be rising up sporadically over the last 50 years. Looting events are not uprisings. If you think that Soros serves your "left wing" interests better than "tyrant" Trump, then you are beyond redemption. You can vote Trump out, brainiacs, but you can't vote out a corrupt oligarchy. One that has already bought the D. Party in totality. Trump is your only hope for democracy and not Soros and his antifa brownshirts. Antifa is not leftist and its black and red colors rub that into your face. It is "national socialist".


This is an uprising against 'Trumpism'. Part of that is police brutality, which BTW, which exists in many cities with Democratic mayors and governors. How is this possible, you may say? Well, if Trump were in charge everywhere, he would have fired EVERYBODY already, but that is not how we usually work as a society. However, by appointing conservative judges, this whole process is fated to go on for years. Welcome to the perpetual civil war.


Jed,

I am sorry, I’m totally lost with your point.

I think I understand you are blaming Trump for the police brutality.

But you are noting that most of the cities are under Democratic Control (The 10 largest cities have D Mayor last I checked).

Then you seem to say this will be Trumps fault in the FUTURE because he is appointing conservative judges.

Is that correct? What did I miss?
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Re: The coming Civil War

Unread postby C8 » Tue 02 Jun 2020, 18:22:36

Part of the reason for the large number of police incidents occurring under Democrat controlled cities is that these cities are where the crime mainly occurs in the US. The number of interactions between the police and blacks is very large. After Ferguson, many cities passed regulations requiring police to document every contact and the numbers are stunning- blacks and police have interactions numbering in the millions per year. The number of unarmed suspects killed is very small.

But the sheer volume of crime in Democrat controlled cities vastly increases the odds that a police brutality incident will occur there. Its not that Democrats are running strict police departments, if anything police may be required to be too lenient. The more people see they can get away with crime or get released easily back onto the street, the more crime they will commit. This increases the number of contacts between police and blacks.

So its not the police that make Democratic cities more likely to have an incident, it is the sheer number of criminals, passive policing methods, and easy re-release.

I would put a city cop up against a small town cop any day when it comes to preventing an escalation. City cops know they are always one viral video away from disaster. They deal with mouthy, hostile people all day.

The reason for incidents happening more in Democrats cities is due to:
A. the number of criminals and city stress
B. Lenient policies that reduce the penalty for lawbreaking- thus increasing the number of incidents. The more incidents you have the more it is likely that one will go bad.
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Re: The coming Civil War

Unread postby jedrider » Tue 02 Jun 2020, 18:39:34

Newfie wrote:
jedrider wrote:
dissident wrote:People are such saps. Antifa is a Soros operation and it has been antifa and not some mythical right wing extremists that are at the core of this "uprising". George Floyd's family has condemned the violence and it is clear that his murder was a pretext and he is already forgotten.

Keep on believing that this is a popular uprising. That is utterly delusional. If people are so "oppressed" by a fascist state then they would be rising up sporadically over the last 50 years. Looting events are not uprisings. If you think that Soros serves your "left wing" interests better than "tyrant" Trump, then you are beyond redemption. You can vote Trump out, brainiacs, but you can't vote out a corrupt oligarchy. One that has already bought the D. Party in totality. Trump is your only hope for democracy and not Soros and his antifa brownshirts. Antifa is not leftist and its black and red colors rub that into your face. It is "national socialist".


This is an uprising against 'Trumpism'. Part of that is police brutality, which BTW, which exists in many cities with Democratic mayors and governors. How is this possible, you may say? Well, if Trump were in charge everywhere, he would have fired EVERYBODY already, but that is not how we usually work as a society. However, by appointing conservative judges, this whole process is fated to go on for years. Welcome to the perpetual civil war.


Jed,

I am sorry, I’m totally lost with your point.

I think I understand you are blaming Trump for the police brutality.

But you are noting that most of the cities are under Democratic Control (The 10 largest cities have D Mayor last I checked).

Then you seem to say this will be Trumps fault in the FUTURE because he is appointing conservative judges.

Is that correct? What did I miss?


Yes, I was all over the place with that post! Yes, Trumpism is part of the problem. He borrowed from the past and is inserting himself into the future, hopefully brief, but the judges will outlive that. Juries decide many cases, but judges do make decisions for, otherwise, they wouldn't be important.

Trying to wrap myself around the idea that Democratic governors and mayors are not all powerful. How is it that Democratic cities still have police forces that can use repressive tactics? I don't know. Some say that police unions have more say than who is mayor or governor. Ah, discrimination and white supremacy are still there, embedded in the fabric.

I don't think Trumpism will live on after Trump is gone, but much that he borrowed from will still be festering.
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Re: The coming Civil War

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 02 Jun 2020, 19:35:38

Jed,

I worked in a hostile union environment. And I was not supported by management. It was a hell hole. The only way someone lost their job was if they died of an overdose, and these guys were maintaining train safety systems. At one point the “big mahoff” summoned me to his office one day, I walked in and was confronted by the #2,3 & 4 union men from the Chicago HQ. I was lambasted and threatened and accused and generally worked over for over a half hour. “Big mahoff”, who sat there and listens to this finally says to me “See what I have to listen to.” implying I was the cause of his problems.

I quit and went I work for another outfit. Exact same Union. Same technical issues. Completely different relations. No union problems. My output per worker was 3-4 times higher. Different “big mahoff”. His kid worked there, a full grown man. One day he came into the dirt parking lot and horses around in the company truck, throwing dirt and rocks all over the yard. “Big mahoff” fires him on the spot, his son. Appeals denied, gone.

Management makes a difference.

We have the same problem with big city school teachers. Rather than deal with the problem, and threaten loosing union support, we ended up with the disastrous charter school system. They skim the cream from public schools and leave the city to deal to with the most difficult cases. No child left behind my ass. These are the same weasels responsible for the police fiasco.

Left or right has nothing to do with it. It’s the greed to hang onto power and that knows no party limits.
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Re: The coming Civil War

Unread postby ralfy » Tue 02 Jun 2020, 20:39:59

It's a gag from 2019:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs9gdKyLZCk

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Re: The coming Civil War

Unread postby evilgenius » Wed 03 Jun 2020, 05:43:44

dissident wrote:People are such saps. Antifa is a Soros operation and it has been antifa and not some mythical right wing extremists that are at the core of this "uprising". George Floyd's family has condemned the violence and it is clear that his murder was a pretext and he is already forgotten.

Keep on believing that this is a popular uprising. That is utterly delusional. If people are so "oppressed" by a fascist state then they would be rising up sporadically over the last 50 years. Looting events are not uprisings. If you think that Soros serves your "left wing" interests better than "tyrant" Trump, then you are beyond redemption. You can vote Trump out, brainiacs, but you can't vote out a corrupt oligarchy. One that has already bought the D. Party in totality. Trump is your only hope for democracy and not Soros and his antifa brownshirts. Antifa is not leftist and its black and red colors rub that into your face. It is "national socialist".

So, you give me one first choice, Soros, then one second choice, Trump. You set it up as either/or. You seem to want to control. There is a pathology of narcissism at work in conspiracy theory. If you are curious, you can ask yourself if you demonstrate it.
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Re: The coming Civil War

Unread postby evilgenius » Wed 03 Jun 2020, 05:55:05

One thing is certain, the food supply is threatened now in America like never before.
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Re: The coming Civil War

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 03 Jun 2020, 06:51:37

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minn ... SKBN23A1KU

In part of a June 1 internal, intelligence assessment of the protests viewed by Reuters, U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) officials said most of the violence appears to have been driven by opportunists.

The assessment, prepared by the department’s intelligence and analysis unit, said there was some evidence based on open-source and DHS reporting that the anarchist movement Antifa may be contributing to the violence, a view shared by some local police departments in public statements and interviews with Reuters.

Reuters reviewed only a portion of the document and could not determine if it addressed the tactics of the groups involved in the protests in greater detail elsewhere.

The part of the document seen by Reuters did not provide any specific evidence of extremist-driven violence, but noted that white supremacists were working online to increase tensions between protesters and law enforcement by calling for acts of violence against both groups. There was no evidence, however, that white supremacists were causing violence at any of the protests, the document said.
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Re: The coming Civil War

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 03 Jun 2020, 06:52:48

dolanbaker wrote:If you really want to know who the dumb ones really are, just see how many fill in the warranty cards.


LOL :-D
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Re: The coming Civil War

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 03 Jun 2020, 06:54:14

ralfy wrote:It's a gag from 2019:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs9gdKyLZCk

The logo at the side of the bus is that of NJ Transit.


OK, I got sucked into this one.
Yes it’s a NJT bus, that who runs the busses in Atlantic City.
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Re: The coming Civil War

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 03 Jun 2020, 07:00:04

C8 wrote:Part of the reason for the large number of police incidents occurring under Democrat controlled cities is that these cities are where the crime mainly occurs in the US. The number of interactions between the police and blacks is very large. After Ferguson, many cities passed regulations requiring police to document every contact and the numbers are stunning- blacks and police have interactions numbering in the millions per year. The number of unarmed suspects killed is very small.

But the sheer volume of crime in Democrat controlled cities vastly increases the odds that a police brutality incident will occur there. Its not that Democrats are running strict police departments, if anything police may be required to be too lenient. The more people see they can get away with crime or get released easily back onto the street, the more crime they will commit. This increases the number of contacts between police and blacks.

So its not the police that make Democratic cities more likely to have an incident, it is the sheer number of criminals, passive policing methods, and easy re-release.

I would put a city cop up against a small town cop any day when it comes to preventing an escalation. City cops know they are always one viral video away from disaster. They deal with mouthy, hostile people all day.

The reason for incidents happening more in Democrats cities is due to:
A. the number of criminals and city stress
B. Lenient policies that reduce the penalty for lawbreaking- thus increasing the number of incidents. The more incidents you have the more it is likely that one will go bad.


The 10 largest cities all have Democrat Mayors.
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Re: The coming Civil War

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Wed 03 Jun 2020, 07:02:38

This morning MSNBC is going on, and on, and on, about Trump mobilizing federal troops into and around Washington DC. They keep saying he is deploying them against the people. Not against rioters. They also are making the use of tear gas to be a war crime equal to WW1 use of poison gas.
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Re: The coming Civil War

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 03 Jun 2020, 07:29:02

Yeah, I’m seeing some lefties getting real worked up about things.
Some real screaming memmies.
The ballon will deflate. Eventually.
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Re: The coming Civil War

Unread postby jedrider » Wed 03 Jun 2020, 10:39:56

Newfie wrote:Yeah, I’m seeing some lefties getting real worked up about things.
Some real screaming memmies.
The ballon will deflate. Eventually.


November, undoubtedly. People really want Trump out, more than anyone wanted Nixon out in his time. At least, Nixon was a thinking man, not a boy-maniac that we have now. This is not so much a civil war as much as an insurrection. The Trumpsters are dumbstruck by all this.
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