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Unread postby Ibon » Tue 23 Feb 2021, 16:21:59

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Did Texas actually ask for help?


I think Texans would prefer having their testicles frozen on to lamp posts rather than ask the government for help.
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Re: Texas Was 'Seconds and Minutes' Away From Catastrophic M

Unread postby suxs » Tue 23 Feb 2021, 22:08:50

Planty once again distorting the truth-surprise, surprise. Despite Biden declaring an emergency in Texas and ordering federal assistance on February 14, planty's posts beginning February 20 feign outrage and shock that the president is ignoring the woes of Texans.

The good news is Biden's approval/disapproval numbers are robust with 55% approval and 38% disapproving (538.com), which is in stark contrast to Trump who ended his single term in office with a never before registered approval of a miserly 29% of the American public.

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Re: Texas Was 'Seconds and Minutes' Away From Catastrophic M

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 24 Feb 2021, 18:13:17

suxs wrote: planty's .... outrage and shock that the president is ignoring the woes of Texans.


suxsy's post ignores the fact that for many days some Texans haven't had fresh drinking water and many stores are out of food. Biden declared Texas a "major disaster" area, but for some reason Biden apparently forgot to tell FEMA to fire up and head down to Texas with fresh water and food for the people who need it.

I still haven't seen a news story about FEMA helping out in Texas.

Where is FEMA?

suxs wrote: Trump ..... ended his single term in office with a never before registered approval ......


Your own personal obsession with Trump aside, what does it matter what Trump's approval ratings six weeks ago were?

Biden is the president now and he's the one who should be directing FEMA to mobilize and send in the FEMA trucks loaded with water and food to provide help to people who need help in Texas.

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Re: Texas Was 'Seconds and Minutes' Away From Catastrophic M

Unread postby kublikhan » Wed 24 Feb 2021, 21:24:56

Here you go planty:

Several Air Mobility Command and Air National Guard C-17s and C-130s have delivered dozens of pallets of bottled water to help people across Texas dealing with water outages in the aftermath of winter storms.

The missions from outside the state began with one C-17 each from Travis Air Force Base, Calif., and Joint Base Charleston, S.C., flying from their home bases to Naval Air Reserve Station Fort Worth, Texas, on Feb. 19 to load bottled water provided by the Federal Emergency Management Agency[FEMA]. The C-17s then proceeded, one with 16 pallets to Galveston and another with 16 pallets for Corpus Christi.

Shortly after, C-17s from both Charleston and Travis flew seven additional airlifts of water pallets to Ellington Field in Houston, Kelly Field in San Antonio, Abilene, Galveston, Corpus Christi, and McAllen. On Feb. 22, four C-130s from Little Rock Air Force Base, Ark., delivered water to College Station, Jack Brooks Regional Airport near Beaumont, Long Viet, and Abilene. Three more Travis C-17s delivered water to McAllen, College Station, and Galveston. Missions are expected to continue.

At Kelly Field alone, the 802nd Logistics Readiness Squadron unloaded more than 80,000 water bottles for the city of San Antonio, according to a 502nd Air Base Wing video.

FEMA requested support from U.S. Northern Command to transport the water, with the missions conducted by Air Mobility Command and U.S. Transportation Command, according to a TRANSCOM release.

Within Texas, the 136th Airlift Wing at NAS JRB Fort Worth, Texas, has been flying regular mission to transport water and supplies across the state. This includes an expected 12 sorties alone on Feb. 23, according to the Air National Guard. The Texas Military Department said Feb. 20 that the wing and the Texas Army National Guard had flown more than a half a million water bottles in 24 hours.
C-17s, C-130s Fly Dozens of Missions Delivering Water to Texans

Federal Assistance to Texas
FEMA has provided personnel, equipment and resources to the state to alleviate impacts from these storms. As of Feb. 22:

* FEMA provided 60 generators, 70,000 gallons of winterized diesel and 70,000 gallons of gasoline to support critical infrastructure over a seven-day period starting Feb. 20
* FEMA has provided over 5.1 million liters of water, more than 126,900 blankets and more than 1.5 million meals.
* Incident Management Assistance Teams are in Austin and Houston supporting response and recovery efforts.
* FEMA has provided 50 ambulances through the National EMS contract.
FEMA Responds to Severe Winter Weather

Food and water distribution continues across Houston-area

Lines stacked for emergency ABC food distribution

Austin/Travis County Opens 10 Water Distribution Sites

Here are the water, food distribution centers open in the San Antonio area
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Re: Texas Was 'Seconds and Minutes' Away From Catastrophic M

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 24 Feb 2021, 23:57:54



Thank you very much, kuby.

I appreciate you making an honest effort to answer my question.

However, I suggest you read your own links before you post them because they don't say what you are claiming they say. For instance, your first link I quote above does indeed mention FEMA, but when you read it more closely you find that FEMA actually isn't doing the work....its the US airforce flying in water. Then your next two links are to YOUTUBE videos. the fourth link is to a news report from Austin but it contains no mention of FEMA, and the fifth link about San Antonio also says absolutely nothing about FEMA assistance.....its all about local breweries and other local agencies working together to provide water and supplies. There is absolutely no mention of FEMA in your last two links, in spite of your inaccurate claim there is...... so FEMA apparently wasn't even helping there when those stories were published.

So clearly FEMA is helping a bit, but much more FEMA assistance to Texas is needed.....and that is just I've been saying all along. This is a huge disaster affecting people all across Texas. FEMA needs to do lot more then ask the Air Force to fly pallets of water into the large cities and put up a website about Texas. FEMA needs to send help to people in the small towns as well, and help to people on farms, and help to homeless people who have no food or water, and help to homeowners whose homes were damaged in the disaster.

Yes...that right...... FEMA's job is bigger then just shipping in food and water. Texas home-owners are going to need Federal grants and federal low-interest loans to help them repair their homes after the storm damage and its FEMAs job to help them.

I still haven't seen any news reports about financial aid programs being offered to Texans by FEMA. The FEMA field offices should've been opened already. FEMA should be giving cash grants and supplying housing to people whose homes have been damaged......so where the heck is FEMA? Why aren't they opening field offices all across Texas right now and offering Texans cash grants and low interest loans and the same kind of assistance they have offered in other areas when a disasters happens?

All I'm asking is that FEMA do its job. And that requires FEMA to send people to Texas to open field offices and make contact with people who need help and then offer them help. FEMA is already late in doing this, and I think they should quit wasting time and go to Texas and help people as soon as possible.

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Re: Texas Was 'Seconds and Minutes' Away From Catastrophic M

Unread postby kublikhan » Thu 25 Feb 2021, 00:55:42

I did read the links Planty. In the first link, the water was provided by FEMA. They request the airforce's help because the roads were iced over. The next two were to show you that the goods were actually being distributed, not sitting in warehouses.

As for the source of the goods being distributed in Austin, that was mentioned here:
What do you do when blackouts impact your local water treatment plants? You get water from elsewhere. Travis County Judge Andy Brown says the county has secured a million gallons of bottled water. The first shipment-- two 18-wheelers from a FEMA distribution site in Fort Worth-- is expected to arrive in Austin today. This total water shipment is expected to be eight million 16-ounce bottles coming in from out of state to be distributed to families in need across Travis County.
1 Million gallons of FEMA bottled water bound for Austin, Travis County

As for financial aid, are you sure you actually read the links? Because it is mentioned in the very first sentence at this link:
Texas homeowners and renters in 31 additional counties can now apply for federal disaster assistance with FEMA. The additional counties were approved last night, paving the way for more individuals and families impacted by the winter storms to receive much needed grants that can be used for temporary housing and home repairs. Since the Texas major disaster declaration on Feb. 19, more than $2.8 million in grants has now been awarded to survivors in Texas. President Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s major disaster declaration now provides assistance for disaster survivors in 108 counties. This assistance can include grants for temporary housing and home repairs, low-cost loans to cover uninsured property losses and other programs to help individuals and business owners recover from the effects of this storm.
FEMA Responds to Severe Winter Weather

And FEMA is there, on the ground. And it's not just FEMA. Biden has directed multiple departments to help out:
“FEMA is already there and providing support – generators, diesel fuel, water, blankets, and other supplies,” Biden said, adding that he has directed the departments of housing, health and human services, agriculture and defense to identify resources that could help Texas.

The major disaster declaration would make Texans eligible for federal programs of individual assistance, public assistance and hazard mitigation. Those whose homes have sustained damages over prescribed amounts, whose incomes qualify for assistance and whose home insurance won’t cover their damages could seek financial help to recover from damage caused by, among other things, broken pipes. Small business and agricultural loans and aid also would be available from the federal government, Abbott said.
Texas rushes plumbers to fix broken pipes, airlifts bottled water as crisis focus shifts to damages, water supplies

The White House announced on Saturday that the president had declared a major disaster in Texas, and he has asked federal agencies to identify additional resources to address the suffering. Biden, who offered himself during the campaign as the experienced and empathetic candidate the nation needed at this moment in time, is working on several fronts to address the situation — and to avoid repeating the mistakes of predecessors who got tripped up by inadequate or insensitive responses in times of disaster.

Part of the job of being president is responding to the destruction left behind by earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes and other natural disasters, or events like deadly mass shootings, or even acts of terrorism. Some have handled such situations better than others:

George W. Bush earned praise for his leadership after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks but stumbled during his administration’s halting response to the humanitarian disaster that unfolded in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina struck the Gulf Coast four years later.

Donald Trump was criticized for tossing rolls of paper towels into a crowd of people in Puerto Rico who had endured Hurricane Maria’s pummeling of the island in 2017. He defended tossing the towels, saying the people were “having fun.”

Bill Clinton, who famously claimed during the 1992 presidential campaign that “I feel your pain,” was a natural at connecting with disaster victims.

Just this week, Republican Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas showed how quickly one bad move during a crisis can become a public relations disaster for a politician. Cruz came under attack for traveling to Mexico while his constituents suffered without power, heat and running water.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency has shipped dozens of generators and supplies, including fuel, water, blankets and ready-to-eat meals, to the affected areas.

Biden has spoken to the governors of the seven states most affected by the winter weather. He tweeted a photo of himself on the phone with Republican Gov. Greg Abbott of Texas.

Oklahoma’s Republican Gov. Kevin Stitt, a staunch supporter of Trump’s, was quick to praise Biden for swift action on a disaster declaration.
Biden declares major disaster in Texas as federal aid flows

So to me, Biden appears to be handling this crisis particularly well. Especially compared to Trump's botched handling of Hurricane Irma/Maria and Bush's botched handling of Katrina.
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Re: Texas Was 'Seconds and Minutes' Away From Catastrophic M

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 25 Feb 2021, 02:49:28

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As for financial aid ..... it is mentioned in the very first sentence at this link:
Texas homeowners and renters in 31 additional counties can now apply for federal disaster assistance with FEMA.


Thanks again, kuby, but I already explained to you that FEMA putting up that web page isn't good enough. I hate to have to explain everything to you, but when people don't have any electrical power they can't power up their computers to access the FEMA web site.

When people's homes are damaged they need some where to live immediately. Telling them to log into a FEMA web page and then wait for the good folks in DC to get around to them isn't good enough.

Thats why FEMA should be sending in staff and opening field offices to help people apply for federal grants and assistance. People who have had to flee their homes should be given direct financial assistance in the form of cash and/or debit cards and as soon as possible be given temporary housing by FEMA. This is what FEMA does in other disasters......clearly they should do the same thing for Texas.

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Unread postby kublikhan » Thu 25 Feb 2021, 05:26:44

Sucks to have to explain everything to someone right? But here I go, attempting to explain everything to you. *sigh*

There are many ways to apply for FEMA money:
* Pick up the phone and call them
* Use FEMA's mobile app
* <gasp> visit their website

And those debit cards you mentioned? You still had to register with FEMA to get them. Then stand in line for hours on end. Only for the program to be terminated 2 days later:

Sep. 8, 2005 - The Federal Emergency Management Agency said today that distribution of the $2,000 cards will begin Friday morning at Reliant Park, but only for those currently living there and only then if they've already registered with FEMA. Most evacuees at Houston's largest shelters have already done the paperwork, and some have even received checks or aid directly deposited to their bank accounts, making them ineligible for the debit cards. Many who thought they were standing in line on Wednesday for the FEMA cards turned out to be in line to simply apply for the federal aid. Evacuees at Reliant Center stood in line as long as five hours today to receive debit cards from the Red Cross.

After seeing mile-long lines form today for Red Cross cards, authorities were urging those who aren't yet registered with FEMA to do so by calling 1-800-621-FEMA or going to the agency's Web site at http://www.fema.gov.
Long lines lead to debit cards for thousands of evacuees

Sept. 9, 2005 - The Federal Emergency Management Agency is cutting up its disaster debit card program.

FEMA announced only two days ago that it would hand out $2,000 debit cards to Hurricane Katrina survivors. The cards will be distributed through the weekend at shelters in Dallas, Houston, and San Antonio. A FEMA spokeswoman says agency officials decided to switch to direct deposits because it requires less staff. Questions also arose about eligibility. And some governors and lawmakers raised concerns about the potential for abuse.

Hurricane evacuees will have to apply for expedited aid through FEMA's traditional route, by filling out information on its Web site.
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Unread postby Pops » Thu 25 Feb 2021, 13:15:30

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Re: Texas Was 'Seconds and Minutes' Away From Catastrophic M

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 26 Feb 2021, 00:08:15

kublikhan wrote:Sucks to have to explain everything to someone right? But here I go, attempting to explain everything to you.


Welcome to the club. Now you know how I feel attempting to explain things to you... But I'm not giving up on you....if we both keep explaining our point of view eventually we might actually figure something out together.

kublikhan wrote: those debit cards you mentioned? the program ....terminated
Sept. 9, 2005 - The Federal Emergency Management Agency is cutting up its disaster debit card program.


Once again I have to explain something very basic to you. As always, I'll be very polite as I make my explanation, so please don't be offended, but I have to tell you that you are missing something obvious and important.

So what are you missing? You apparently don't understand the concept of TIME and the fact that things change through time.

Look at the date of the story you are citing.

The story you are referencing is something that happened during the Hurricane Katrina disaster...SIXTEEN YEARS AGO.

And things change over SIXTEEN YEARS.

I know this will come as a surprise to you, but a decision that FEMA made SIXTEEN YEARS AGO during the Katrina response is not binding on FEMA. Each disaster is different, and each response is different.

And FEMA today does indeed fund debit cards when appropriate to provide funds to disaster victims. FEMA uses a whole raft of methods to help them, but your claim that they no longer fund debit cards is false.

There are many reasons FEMA does this, and among them are the fact that some people don't have bank accounts, so there is no way for FEMA to deposit funds in someone's account if they don't have an account.

Some people don't have cell phones. Some people don't have computers.

Some people, especially during a disaster like the one in Texas where the power went out, don't have power to run their computers and cell phones and power up wi-fi networks.

In such cases FEMA will put funds on a debt card for the disaster victims.

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And look!! My FEMA debit card information link dates from 2018......its not an out-of-date story dating to 2005 like you were basing your specious claim on.

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Unread postby kublikhan » Fri 26 Feb 2021, 00:42:30

Yes I too feel the pain from having to explain things to you Planty. Fear not though! I will persevere!

First I will explain something very basic to you. It's about the debit cars again. Those simply deal with the disbursement of FEMA money. There are many disbursement options. What you seem to be missing though is that ALL disbursement options require you to first apply with FEMA. Even your own links confirms this:

“The fact that they’re registering online, and we’re doing EFT and not many manual transactions, allows us to provide a greater level of service, a quicker level of service [and] a more correct level of service than we would without those [factors],” Amparo added.
FEMA On Disbursing Emergency Aid To Victims

Now I need to explain to you about TIME as well. *Sigh* You see, things have changed since your article from 2018. There was this little thing called COVID you may have heard about. Well they didn't want this disaster spreading COVID around, so they decided to use virtual inspections this time around. Instead of sending FEMA inspectors to your home that could risk spreading COVID, you can simply send video or pictures to FEMA remotely. Not only is this faster, thus saving TIME, it also addresses an important safety concern.

To help those affected by February’s severe winter storms, FEMA has been on the ground in Texas for more than a week. We’re moving water, fuel and blankets, and are readying new supplies to help survivors.

We’re already helping people in the 108 declared counties whose primary homes or property have been damaged by the snow and ice. We’re providing grants for temporary housing, home repairs and other programs to help individuals and business owners recover from the effects of the disaster.

FEMA began virtual inspections the day after President Biden issued the Major Disaster Declaration for the Severe Winter Storms in Texas and, in the first three days, 1600 inspectors approved more than $2.5 million of disaster assistance.

How is FEMA protecting the health and safety of disaster survivors?
At FEMA, the COVID-19 pandemic drove the need to find a way to provide services to those impacted by disasters without putting survivors or our staff at risk. “Prior to the pandemic, FEMA relied on our damage assessors to go to the homes to verify the damage that occurred,” said Field Services Section Chief Ken Jackson. “Now we obviously have to do all of this remotely.

How does the remote inspection process work?
After you’ve completed a FEMA application, a FEMA inspector will contact you by phone to answer questions about the type and extent of damage sustained.

“We call the applicant, we walk through these critical elements to their homes, to their personal property to determine the level of damage,” said Jackson. In many instances FEMA can validate damage using video calls if the survivor has the capability to do so.

Reasonable accommodations, including translation and ASL interpreters via Video Relay Service, will be available to ensure effective communication with applicants with limited English proficiency, applicants with disabilities, and other individuals with access and functional needs.

While some aspects of program delivery may look different this year, our commitment to helping people before, during and after disaster remains our full focus and we are ready to deliver on our mission.
Remote Inspections are Making it Safer for Texas Survivors Seeking Damage Assessments

Don't have a computer or cellphone to register with? Don't worry, that's covered too:
Gov. Greg Abbott, along with the Texas Division of Emergency Management and the Texas Military Department, launched a call center to help Texans who have little to no internet access with completing the state’s disaster damage survey.

You can call (844) 844-3089 between 8 a.m. and 8 p.m. seven days a week to submit information about damages to your property, home or business from the winter storms. This will help the state identify damage across Texas and allow emergency management to understand what has happened after the storms, the governor’s office said.

The information is also provided to the Federal Emergency Management Agency, so the state can show the need for federal disaster assistance for individuals, according to the governor’s office.

The phone line is specifically for Texans who are unable to submit information through the online survey. A state professional might visit impacted homes to take photos and document damage, if needed, Abbott’s office said.
Call center launched to help Texans with winter storm damage survey

After applying for federal disaster assistance
It will not be necessary for all survivors who contact FEMA to have an inspector visit their home.

* They may receive an email, auto-dialer call, or text message that allows them to provide FEMA with the extent of damage from the storm.
* They may get a call from FEMA to determine eligibility.
* Renters and homeowners will be asked to report their home damage.
* Based on the information provided, they will receive a determination of award for Personal and/or Real Property.
If it is determined that a home inspection is necessary, a FEMA inspector will contact the applicant to schedule an appointment.
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Unread postby suxs » Fri 26 Feb 2021, 21:55:04

@ kublikhan

What more can be said other than brilliant, and your ability to maintain the patience of Job is super-human.

You exemplify the characteristics I would want to be associated with if things go sideways. Do you accept walk-ins?
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Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 26 Feb 2021, 22:26:08

kublikhan wrote:Yes I too feel the pain from having to explain things to you Planty. Fear not though! I will persevere!


I feel your pain, kuby. But once more into the breach! For all humankind! For the continuation of modern civilization!! For the truth! For logic and intelligence and all things good I make my stand!! For MENSA!!! For the US Constitution and our Grand Republic, long may it flourish!!!

kublikhan wrote:First I will explain something very basic to you. It's about the debit cars again. Those simply deal with the disbursement of FEMA money. There are many disbursement options.


Whoa right there.

I was posting about FEMA using debit cards.

Then you said FEMA didn't use debit cards at all.

You posted a link from sixteen (16!) years ago saying debit cards had been completely discontinued during the Katrina disaster.

Then I posted a much more recent link that proved that FEMA uses debit cards as one of their methods of disbursing funds today, and your claim was wrong and based on out-of-date information.

And now you aren't going to admit that you were wrong? Really? You're just pretending that you thought FEMA used debit cards when you just got done arguing (poorly) in your prior post just above that FEMA doesn't use debit cards?

Whoa. Thats just plain dishonest.

Shame on you. You were clearly wrong when you made the bogus claim that FEMA doesn't use debit cards and I''m disappointed that you aren't honest enough to admit it.

Oh well.......

If you can't bring yourself to honestly admit you were wrong when I clearly demonstrate you were wrong, then there isn't much point in discussing things with you.

Anyway....thats OK. Its hard for most people to admit when they were wrong. No problem, Kuby. You Have a nice day!

I'm going to do my victory dance now!

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FEMA uses debit cards!!! I'm right!!! You're wrong!!! I'm right!!!! I'm right!!! You're wrong!!!! Your'e wrong!!! Huh!!! Uh!!!! Oooooo!!!! Feels so GOOOD!!! FEMA uses debit cards!!! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh!

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Unread postby JuanP » Fri 26 Feb 2021, 22:57:49

I have to admit that I was laughing to myself when I read kublikhan's reply to Plantagenet's post on FEMA's use of debit cards. KK's reply didn't address the debit card point Plantagenet made, and proved with a relevant link, at all, and instead went out on a number of tangents and provided links that had NOTHING to do with the point Plantagenet was making.

Sometimes trying to exchange ideas with some people on this board is like talking to a wall, a complete waste of time.

And, Plantagenet's reply to KK's wandering post made me LOL again! Thanks! :lol:
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Unread postby kublikhan » Fri 26 Feb 2021, 23:39:35

LOL! You sure have a warped view of what happened here. Lets recap shall we?

Plant: I don't see FEMA shipping in any water or food!
Kub: There's proof right here.....
Plant: No proof that aid came from FEMA.
Kub: The proof is right here.....
Plant: Yeah well I don't see them giving any financial aid...
Kub: They are, here is the proof...
Plant: That is online! What if you don't have a computer?
Kub: Here's how to get aid for people without a computer....
Plant: But it's not on a debit card!

Yes planty I read your link. FEMA does indeed use debit cards. I stand corrected. Now will you stand corrected on all of your mistakes?
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Re: Texas Was 'Seconds and Minutes' Away From Catastrophic M

Unread postby evilgenius » Sat 27 Feb 2021, 11:36:47

I think there may have been some legal reason why FEMA couldn't get involved? I'm not really sure. I was standing over by the TV, doing something else. There was a report on about it, but my attention had to be on what I was doing. The report mentioned how the Administration was waiting for Congress to do something that would allow FEMA in. There were pictures of frozen Texas. The two things didn't have to be related. It could be how the news distorts things, sometimes. The thing about FEMA waiting on Congress could, in other words, have been related to some other kind of thing than helping Texas. Images of Texas could have been up because the person responsible for gathering the background image for the story probably couldn't believe that, by then, FEMA wouldn't be involved either. I mean, presuming FEMA not being involved is true, and all that. That person might have thought that, by then, showing Texas would be showing a representation of the kind of thing that FEMA is normally involved in, if you get my drift. It didn't have to be propaganda. It could be irony.

These things likely exist, at this time, more in our own imaginations, in how we tell our own personal myths to ourselves, than they do in the real world. Tomorrow, that could see a reversal. What good does doubting for doubt's sake do a person? It is the veritable snake eating its own tail. That snake, as we know, can form the backbone of the universe. That's how myth tells it. But it can also strike right at the heart of what keeps America truly great, "united we stand, and divided we fall."

That's sort of the source from which those who argue for embracing diversity seek their legitimacy, isn't it? The world has simply developed to one of those societal levels that it has invited a crisis, because of the gulf between conservative, more nostalgic thinking and liberal, more forward looking thinking. We just need what normally goes on, once we are sure we've worked through everything, to work for us again. I suppose the topic we need to do this with is "racism."

That does seem like the sore thumb. But the deeper reasons may not have to do with that. It could be about how our version of capitalism is designed to keep certain power from the working class. Once black people got into the working class, straight out of slavery, they arrived on the lowest rung. Capitalism insisted we treat each other dog eat dog. Our problem lies, therefore, more in the rights we don't give to any people, except those whom we favor. Over and over again you see examples of White America integrating pretty well with Black America, and when it happens anyone from within the "in" group that compromises the two groups in unity is accepted pretty much equally. But, then, you know, if we can't release the tension that our fear of the outsider has caused to build up, we might explode. And, standing right there, the Chinese. The difference between fixating upon black people in America agitating for their rights and fixating upon the Chinese as if they were engaged with us in a new, sort of economic, Cold War probably describes the pace of change in our society in the analogy pretty well. And it is the pace of change, really, that is causing these problems. It takes real learning of new things to cope with that sort of thing. We'll see how fast everything can catch up, and where! It will be, at least partially, about economics. It is dog eat dog. You know, when we get comfortable again certain things will probably be in new relation to other things. We might like some of that, and not like others.
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Re: Texas Was 'Seconds and Minutes' Away From Catastrophic M

Unread postby suxs » Sat 27 Feb 2021, 19:50:08

JuanP, I think kublikhan is permitted more than 31 minutes to respond, but you were just chomping at the bit. If you weren't so rushed to attack, then you would have recognized kublikhan as a gentleman for possessing the integrity to admit his error on a single point. Nevertheless, applying your criteria, your "criticisms" apply in spades vis-à-vis planty due to a multitude of errors and gross distortions. Will you amend your invective accordingly? Will planty reply with an admission of his errors? I'm not holding my breath, of course.

REAL GREEN and some others would concur with your statement - albeit a modification in personal noun usage - that "trying to exchange ideas with you is like talking to a wall, a complete waste of time", JuanP-lol. That's the inherent danger of hyperbolized attacks.
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Re: Texas Was 'Seconds and Minutes' Away From Catastrophic M

Unread postby JuanP » Sat 27 Feb 2021, 23:06:55

suxs wrote:JuanP, I think kublikhan is permitted more than 31 minutes to respond, but you were just chomping at the bit. If you weren't so rushed to attack, then you would have recognized kublikhan as a gentleman for possessing the integrity to admit his error on a single point. Nevertheless, applying your criteria, your "criticisms" apply in spades vis-à-vis planty due to a multitude of errors and gross distortions. Will you amend your invective accordingly? Will planty reply with an admission of his errors? I'm not holding my breath, of course.

REAL GREEN and some others would concur with your statement - albeit a modification in personal noun usage - that "trying to exchange ideas with you is like talking to a wall, a complete waste of time", JuanP-lol. That's the inherent danger of hyperbolized attacks.


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Re: Texas Was 'Seconds and Minutes' Away From Catastrophic M

Unread postby kublikhan » Sun 28 Feb 2021, 00:22:10

Planty I think everyone can see who is the dishonest poster here. Your posts are about spreading FUD and disinformation about topics you don't like. You continue to post misleading information, opinion masquerading as fact, and often downright lies. And when someone challenges your BS you often ignore them, move the goal posts, change the subject completely, invoke your selective memory, or post some juvenile pictures about how you "won" the argument. I have seen you do this over and over in numerous threads. It's like most of your posts are political attack ads that are carefully worded to avoid getting banned. I do not think these are mistakes you make. I think you are intentionally posting false information to push your agenda. And it's not like I'm the only one calling you out on this behavior. Numerous posters have called you out on it for years:

vtsnowedin wrote:Planty I called out your BS and you answered with even more BS. Come back when you want to discuss the truth.
THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 11

suxs wrote:Planty once again distorting the truth-surprise, surprise.
Texas Was 'Seconds and Minutes' Away From Catastrophic M

Ibon wrote:
Plantagenet wrote:...
I wonder why you changed the subject?
THE Republican (general) Thread pt 5

aadbrd wrote:
Plantagenet wrote:...
You invoke it purely as a cheap and transparent diversionary rhetorical tactic. (A tactic you tend to employ quite often, I see)
THE Joe Biden Thread Pt.2

Outcast_Searcher wrote:
Plantagenet wrote:...
And yet, in the real world, if your posts, re politics, don't represent a deluded R, posting for political points vs. reality, I'm an aardvark.
THE Joe Biden Thread Pt.2

Outcast_Searcher wrote:
aadbrd wrote:
Plantagenet wrote:I'm very disappointed in the case the Ds are making
Considering your sympathies, I doubt anything would satisfy you, so your disappointment carries little weight.
+ 1 Plus the massive distortion factor he uses in politics at pretty much every turn.
THE Democrat Thread Pt. 6

AdamB wrote:Your agenda is to discourage people from buying EVs. That's the definition of FUD.
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Plant, do you READ what you post prior to misrepresenting it, or are these just accidents as of late? First you change titles to misrepresent resources as reserves (because you knew better but couldn't make your point without misrepresenting something, or are just generally ignorant?), and now you apparently can't be bothered to read the articles you post without misrepresenting them!
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Your rhetoric is agenda first, then cherry pick, then repeat ad nauseum.
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You really have one of those kinds of egos that doesn't allow you to admit when you are wrong?
THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 10

Outcast_Searcher wrote:Plant is attempting to tarnish the Tesla name with a completely bogus point, played up with the kind of dramatics I'd expect of an ambulance chasing lawyer.
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If Plant is trying to score points for being a drama queen, kudos to him. If he's trying to discuss the issue at all objectively, not so much.
THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 7

SteinarN wrote:Congrats Planted Agent! You are the 2nd person I have blocked here since I registered in -07. I have considered you a troll for a long time. You are one of the most narrowminded persons I know of in here. Now I take the consequence and block you
The Fiscal Cliff

Quinny wrote:+1 (though not blocking because Planty's attempt at logic is funny)
SteinarN wrote:Congrats Planted Agent! You are the 2nd person I have blocked here since I registered in -07. I have considered you a troll for a long time. You are one of the most narrowminded persons I know of in here. Now I take the consequence and block you

The Fiscal Cliff

rockdoc123 wrote:
Plantagenet wrote:...
As has been pointed out by several folks here you just made all of this crap up. Either you have trouble with reading comprehension or you have a very vivid imagination that you like to let run rampant. and rather than just say "oh, OK, you guys caught me gilding the lily you proceed to dig yourself deeper.
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Why are you continually trying to spin the argument from one thing to another?
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And you have proven you either don't read what people post or you are illiterate.
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Are you done making crap up?
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But feel free to try and change the subject once again...your go-to method for debate.
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As is your normal modus operandi you change the discussion/argument.
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But go ahead, play the fool some more, your good at it.
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nice attempt at wordsmithing to cover your ass.
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Apparently having the last word, whether it is a stupid word or just repeats what I have said upthread pretending it is your own idea is all that matters to you.
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But go ahead and repeat yourself again ignoring what I’ve pointed out
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Once again you change your story throughout the course of your argument.
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you are making assumptions that are unwarranted at the same time as trying to steer the conversation away from your original claim. Give it a break. You are merely making yourself look more foolish with each post.
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You seem to have a selective memory on all of this.
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you are pretty good at attempting to reinvent history.
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You were involved in that discussion and now pretending it didn’t happen? Just like you are pretending you never said the IPO was canceled?
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