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Special Counsel Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Sun 14 Apr 2019, 07:52:04

vtsnowedin wrote:What little I watched last night (My wife has had her fill of it so let her have the remote) the Democrats are in full denial and intend to press on with Congressional investigations. They should drop it, apologize, and move on to issues that would help their candidate in 2020. Instead they will beat this dead horse and hand Trump the win.


They simply cannot abide the thought that the Electoral College awards the victory to the one who does battle in the correct rural areas, and not the cities. Nor can they believe that the process is so hard to change.

Well, live with it, folks. We live in a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy. Learn the difference.
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Re: Special Counsel Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Cog » Mon 15 Apr 2019, 12:40:13

The redacted version of the Mueller report will be released Thursday.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/15/mueller ... rning.html

•A redacted version of special counsel Robert Mueller report is expected to be released by the Justice Department on Thursday morning, a day before the Easter holiday weekend.
•The report details Mueller's investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election, and the question of whether President Donald Trump's campaign colluded with Russian agents in that meddling.
•Attorney General William Barr has said that the special counsel found no evidence that Trump's campaign colluded with Russians. Barr also has said that based on the report, both he and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein found no reason to believe that Trump obstructed justice in the case
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Re: Special Counsel Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby dissident » Mon 15 Apr 2019, 19:22:41

The Democrats are now launching another witch hunt since Mueller didn't deliver. They are going after the tin foil hat theory that Trump was on Putin's payroll. This is their only remaining angle. That means that they will likely perpetrate a hoax and pay off some clowns at some European bank to fake records to create fake transactions. The Democrats are not going to surrender without dragging the world into a war. F*CKING PSYCHOPATHS.
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Re: Special Counsel Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Cog » Mon 15 Apr 2019, 19:55:48

Mueller had access to everything Trump related. Bank records, company tax returns, everything. There is nothing to find unless Trump out witted all those prosecutors and agents.
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Re: Special Counsel Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby dissident » Tue 16 Apr 2019, 22:23:19

Cog wrote:Mueller had access to everything Trump related. Bank records, company tax returns, everything. There is nothing to find unless Trump out witted all those prosecutors and agents.


Assuming that there is honest inquiry. The Democrats have left the sanity reservation and the next "logical" step is to fabricate evidence to ensure a successful show trial. I am hoping the national system-people sanity of the USA is still intact. But a large chunk of the population has become unhinged. Ideologically unhinged mobs are what we saw in the 1930s in Germany and the USSR.

The problem is the circle jerk culture of the social media. This is something new. We have the emergence of mobs without any state propaganda. These mobs are basically boostrapping themselves into existence. Of course the cultural Marxist brainwashing in academic institutions has played a major role. But the "revolutionary critical mass" was not possible before. It is imperative that cultural Marxist control over the social media with obvious censorship of sane voices be stopped. It is not about private companies engaged in private business. Twitter and Facebook are electronic town squares. The owners of these companies should not be allowed to foist their ideology on millions of users. Telling "non conformists" to go shop elsewhere is not reasonable. And the censorship is only creating a tighter echo chamber that makes the SJW mob even more unhinged. They need to be exposed to dissenting views and they need to act like adults and tolerate them.
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Re: Special Counsel Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Newfie » Thu 18 Apr 2019, 15:42:33

Mueller Report:

A: Nothing Burger
B: Here’s the Beef

What’s your thoughts?
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Re: Special Counsel Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Ibon » Fri 19 Apr 2019, 16:46:41

Newfie wrote:Mueller Report:

A: Nothing Burger
B: Here’s the Beef

What’s your thoughts?



If you are a Republican you should support the release of the full unredacted version of the special counsel report since you believe that Trump is innocent and the democrats will only look like fools dragging this on.

If you are a democrat you should support the release of the full unredacted version of the special counsel report since you know for sure there is evidence hidden in there to impeach the president.

Isn't this the fixed position everyone has.

So let the full unredacted version released laying all the cards on the table.
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Re: Special Counsel Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby Newfie » Fri 19 Apr 2019, 17:15:16

I thought there were court orders restraining he release of Grand Jury info?
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Re: Special Counsel Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 19 Apr 2019, 17:48:27

Ibon wrote:
If you are a democrat you should support the release of the full unredacted version of the special counsel report since you know for sure there is evidence hidden in there to impeach the president.


How would Ds know that since Mueller himself says his two year long investigation found no evidence that Trump was a Russian intelligence asset and no evidence the Trump campaign was colluding or conspiring with the Russians, as the Ds have been claiming?

IMHO it would make more sense for the Ds to now abase themselves and humbly apologize for all their crazy conspiracy theories and beg forgiveness for wasting two years of everyone's time with their lies and wild fanciful claims.

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Re: Special Counsel Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby aldente » Sat 20 Apr 2019, 01:09:21

Ibon - not everyone here "can be a Republican" - since non American. After all you live in Panama!
Which make you a what?
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Re: Special Counsel Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby Cog » Sat 20 Apr 2019, 04:00:42

Federal law prevents an unredacted release of grand jury as well as classified information. Provisions that the Democrats wrote into law after Bill Clinton. AG Barr has offered to release an unredacted copy to the Democrat heads of various House committees but Pelosi refused the offer. Why you might ask? Makes it easier to find out who leaked it to the press.

Democrats, who should be happy that Trump nor any other American collude with Russia, are instead pretending outrage.
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Re: Special Counsel Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby Newfie » Sat 20 Apr 2019, 05:55:31

My sense is the Dems are doing themselves no favors prolonging this fight. So how they are getting advice that they win by running Trump down. I think that’s a failed strategy. It’s no longer entertaining, there is no cliff hanger at the “end” to keep the public engaged. It’s an old sitcom that’s run it’s course. They can’t seem to change the channel because there is no alternative programming. They have no compelling message. Except maybe Bernie.

My Wife has been an ardent Warren supporter. Warrens pushing for impeachment made her angry. Last night she wrote Warren to say calling for impeachment was a stupid maneuver and she was showing herself politically tone deaf. Unacceptable.

I wonder how many others feel that way?
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Re: Special Counsel Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 21 Apr 2019, 06:40:35

Interesting, seems Mueller report changed no minds about collusion.



https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.co ... poll%3famp

Seventy percent of those who said they were familiar with the Mueller report said it did not change their view of Trump or Russia's involvement in the 2016 presidential election. Fifteen percent of those surveyed said they learned something that changed their view of Trump or the Russia investigation following the release of Mueller's report.
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Re: Special Counsel Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby dissident » Sun 21 Apr 2019, 09:07:55

Newfie wrote:Interesting, seems Mueller report changed no minds about collusion.



https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.co ... poll%3famp

Seventy percent of those who said they were familiar with the Mueller report said it did not change their view of Trump or Russia's involvement in the 2016 presidential election. Fifteen percent of those surveyed said they learned something that changed their view of Trump or the Russia investigation following the release of Mueller's report.


Yep. A self-affirming circle-jerk club. These people are not objective. They cherry pick what bolsters their worthless opinions. This means that they did not read the contents of the report and even if they did they just picked up on the tone. The tone is one of "we have no evidence, but something must have happened". The usual tin foil hat conspiracy theory brain disease.
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Re: Special Counsel Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 21 Apr 2019, 11:49:37

dissident wrote: These people are not objective. They cherry pick what bolsters their worthless opinions. This means that they did not read the contents of the report and even if they did they just picked up on the tone. The tone is one of "we have no evidence, but something must have happened". The usual tin foil hat conspiracy theory brain disease.


Yup. Now that the Mueller report proves that Trump isn't a Russian asset and there was no collusion during the election, the people who believe in those things have been proven to be certified conspiracy theory nuts.

Unfortunately, this group of conspiracy nuts include most of the Ds, most of the Ds presidential candidates and D congressional leadership, and virtually all of the mainstream media.

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Re: Special Counsel Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby Cog » Sun 21 Apr 2019, 12:17:28

What surprised me the most was what was not in the Mueller report. I expected it wouldn't show Russian collusion. That was a silly proposition to begin with. But it showed no financial crimes involving Trump or the Trump organization.

Remember, Mueller went after several people like Manafort and Cohen for financial crimes that had nothing to do with the campaign. So in the two years of digging, Mueller could not find any financial crimes involving Trump or the Trump family. Over a million documents was submitted by either the White House or the Trump organization that were requested by the Special Counsel. The thought that a New York real estate tycoon and casino owner could be so clean was indeed a surprise to me.
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Re: Special Counsel Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby Ibon » Sun 21 Apr 2019, 14:18:30

Cog wrote: Over a million documents was submitted by either the White House or the Trump organization that were requested by the Special Counsel. The thought that a New York real estate tycoon and casino owner could be so clean was indeed a surprise to me.


To me as well. My wager with you Cog was never based on impeachment happening because of the Russian collusion BS. For me it was always the assumption that the financial misdeeds would come to light and be so overwhelmingly corrupt that impeachment would follow. And that those financial misdeeds would involve the corrupt Russian oligarchy.

That has not yet happened. The report does not put this subject yet to bed though in my opinion. Impeachment for me at this point is highly unlikely but this report was not about financial misdeeds nor was the mission of the special counsel about that.
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Re: Special Counsel Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby dissident » Sun 21 Apr 2019, 14:21:28

Cog wrote:What surprised me the most was what was not in the Mueller report. I expected it wouldn't show Russian collusion. That was a silly proposition to begin with. But it showed no financial crimes involving Trump or the Trump organization.

Remember, Mueller went after several people like Manafort and Cohen for financial crimes that had nothing to do with the campaign. So in the two years of digging, Mueller could not find any financial crimes involving Trump or the Trump family. Over a million documents was submitted by either the White House or the Trump organization that were requested by the Special Counsel. The thought that a New York real estate tycoon and casino owner could be so clean was indeed a surprise to me.


That is why Trump ran for office. If he had skeletons in his closet, they would have eventually been exposed.

I see an inverse relationship between the hate level of academics and self-anointed social do-gooders and the target of their hate. Trump is good for America so he is being demonized. But the 3rd world leader wannabe Obama (who instigated the hoax against Trump) is lionized and extolled by these clowns. The cultural-Trotskyist disease has gotten very serious and is no longer some benign issue confined to academia and various activists. It is shocking to me that so much of the corporate world is under their thumb. There should be nothing in common.
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Re: Special Counsel Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Sun 21 Apr 2019, 14:22:18

What surprised me the most is the number of people going on and on about Mueller not exonerating Trump. And that comes from some lawyers as well. The whole point of investigations is that the burden of proof lies with the prosecution and their job is to find enough criminal activity that charges can be laid. If there is not evidence to lay charges then that person is innocent under US law and laws in most countries (Scotland has two standards for innocent one called "not proven" the other "not guilty). Mueller has no legal or moral right to claim he couldn't exonerate Trump....his only job was to either find enough evidence to charge him or not.
Also Trump's comments behind the scenes have no bearing on anything. If he truly wanted to obstruct justice he could have fired the staff who didn't fire Mueller or do his other bidding and replace them with someone who did. The fact he did not means almost certainly they talked him down off the ledge. We hear about all this stuff Trump says because he is vocal and his staff are less than loyal but it goes without saying that his behavior pales in comparison to some of the former Presidents like Johnson and Kennedy and Nixon. And, by the way, saying you would like to do something is not a criminal act. It is only criminal if you do it. So the whole obstruction thing is just a tempest in a teapot. Obviously, he didn't obstruct anything given the investigation went on for more than a year and cost millions of dollars with everyone and his dog who didn't have a backbone lining up to co-operate with Mueller.
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Re: Special Counsel Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby Cog » Sun 21 Apr 2019, 14:26:05

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The special counsel stepped way outside his initial mandate though with other people. With Manafort and Gates it was their dealings with Ukraine years before they ever met Trump. Mueller wasn't limited to only Russia with his extended mandate from acting AG Rosenstein. He could investigate anything that came up as part of his Russian collusion investigation.

I'm not saying Trump has never done anything crooked, but the Special Counsel had a golden opportunity to nail him or his family if he had found something substantial.
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