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Re: Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 2

Unread postby Cog » Thu 07 Jun 2018, 12:09:11

If Trump is literally Hitler is sure is going about it in a convoluted way. LOL
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Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 2

Unread postby AgentR11 » Thu 07 Jun 2018, 12:24:20

Cid_Yama wrote:Boy, playing that like you didn't intend to try to imply the Nazi's were leftists, not right like you always do.
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God forbid the Trump Administration hire people that are qualified for the positions they hold.


That's really the rub though, hiring people that have no business holding the positions they are being asked to fill. These are more than just little misstatements, they are honest errors in knowledge about things that should be the core competence of the ones making the statements.

Whether nazi's were left or right, they were the enemy, and the Allies utterly destroyed them. That's not "working with Germany" that is destroying Germany which is what we did, and rightfully so. And D-Day was the big event in that task on the Western side.
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Re: Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 2

Unread postby Cog » Thu 07 Jun 2018, 12:44:39

Well the Trump administration hasn't been stupid enough to hire Cid Yama or AgentR11 so they do have that going for them.

Sorry your girl lost men but go cry elsewhere about it. Maybe on MSNBC. Its a perpetual weep factory over there. LOL
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Re: Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 2

Unread postby AgentR11 » Thu 07 Jun 2018, 12:54:57

Cog wrote:Well the Trump administration hasn't been stupid enough to hire Cid Yama or AgentR11 so they do have that going for them.


There are plenty of people on the right that know our history well enough to understand that Germany was the enemy that we obliterated in the war that involved the D-Day operation. We didn't work with them, we splattered them.
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Re: Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 2

Unread postby Cog » Thu 07 Jun 2018, 13:06:00

You leftists are all the same. You take a statement out of context and make a huge issue out of it. Here is what she actually said:

"We have a very strong relationship with the government of Germany," Nauert said. "Looking back in the history books, today is the 71st anniversary of the speech that announced the Marshall Plan. Tomorrow is the anniversary of the D-Day invasion. We obviously have a very long history with the government of Germany, and we have a strong relationship with the government of Germany."

Do you not understand what the Marshall plan was post-war? The fact is she NEVER said we didn't invade on D-Day to defeat Germany. But here you again you lefties use any excuse and any warped rationale to go after the Trump administration.

Please go be pathetic elsewhere or come up with some REAL criticism of the Trump admin. Or at least stop lying about what the state department spokesman actually said.
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Re: Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 2

Unread postby Cog » Thu 07 Jun 2018, 13:14:16

What you lefties truly hate is the fact that Germany and others are anti-Israel and you want the USA to follow along with your Anti-Semitism. Trump isn't going to apologize for his support for Israel, as demonstrated by his latest actions and its got all the European Israeli haters in a real tizzy.
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Re: Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 2

Unread postby AgentR11 » Thu 07 Jun 2018, 13:17:02

Cog wrote:You leftists are all the same. You take a statement out of context and make a huge issue out of it. Here is what she actually said...


Same quote that Cid quoted, and critique stands, there was ample room in such a statement to distinguish the post war government of Germany that we essentially created, and the pre-war government that we destroyed. That she chose not to do so either indicates poor understanding or poor judgement.

I don't think Trump's picks are lacking intelligence or even judgement; I think he's simply picking people that don't know what they need to know to do their specific job, but do have intense loyalty to him as an individual as opposed to strictly the office of president.

nb. I'm about as pro-Israel / pro-Zionist as it gets. So you can dump that argument right out the window.
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Re: Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 2

Unread postby Cog » Thu 07 Jun 2018, 13:21:21

No. You chose to make an issue of the statement. It clearly delineates the Marshall plan from the invasion of Germany on D-Day. The fact you and other leftists like you chose to combine the two just reveals your motivation is hate of Trump and not speaking the truth. Yes, you like Cid are lying just like the MSM that you love.
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Re: Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 2

Unread postby AgentR11 » Thu 07 Jun 2018, 13:28:05

Disagree entirely. Mentioning the Marshall plan is not the same as indicating a distinction for post war Germany; in fact, without direct distinction, it muddies things up on what should be a celebration of D-Day that was the beginning of the end for the Nationalist German government. It would have been so easy to say almost the same thing, and indicate support for the current form of the Government in opposition to what came before, but she either chose not to do so, or didn't know to do so.
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Re: Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 2

Unread postby Cog » Thu 07 Jun 2018, 14:38:43

Sorry your girl lost AgentR11. Do you need some tissues? Or would tampons be more appropriate? LOL
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Re: Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 2

Unread postby AgentR11 » Thu 07 Jun 2018, 16:21:59

Winning an election does not make one not subject to criticism.

We've not fallen that far... yet.
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Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 2

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 07 Jun 2018, 19:04:52

AgentR11 wrote:
Cid_Yama wrote:... the Nazi's were leftists, not right...


Whether nazi's were left or right, they were the enemy, and the Allies utterly destroyed them..... And D-Day was the big event in that task on the Western side.


Exactly right, AgentR11.

And I also agree with you that D-Day was a very big event.

But lets not forget there were numerous other major battles involved in the US + allies defeat of the National Socialist regime in Germany. For instance, there were actually more US casualties during the Battle of the Bulge in the Ardenne then during the Normandy landings.

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Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 2

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Thu 07 Jun 2018, 23:12:07

Interesting geopolitical chess game going on with the delivery of Russian NG to Europe. In particular the Russian effort to increase delivery capability as well as avoid a potential bottleneck in the continuing unstable Ukraine. And the strong opposition by the POTUS and some EU countries. From

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/energy/finance ... many/19506
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"President Donald Trump objected to the Nord Stream II natural gas pipeline to carry Russian gas to Germany through the Baltic Sea prior to a working lunch with the heads of the Baltic States on Tuesday. Trump met with the presidents of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia in the White House to discuss energy and security issues. "Germany hooks up a pipeline into Russia, where Germany is going to be paying billions of dollars for energy into Russia," said Trump and added, "And I’m saying, “What’s going on with that? How come Germany is paying vast amounts of money to Russia when they hook up a pipeline? That’s not right."

In addition to the U.S., many European countries, including Denmark, Poland and Lithuania, are against the Nord Stream II claiming it will increase Russian influence on European energy markets. In November 2017, the Danish Parliament approved a law that allows the country's authorities to prohibit the construction of Nord Stream II in Danish territorial waters.”

So as a result the Russian are developing an alternate plan: instead of Germany controlling the distribution of the additional NG supplies Turkey will control the flow of this supply. Turkey which has repeatedly proved itself to not be a friend the EU or any other country in the region. Perhaps the POTUS expects cost equivalent exported US LNG will replace Russian supplies. That math has already done and it doesn’t even come close. Of course none of this is of any importance to our MSM: Stormy is a much more interesting story. LOL. From

https://www.rigzone.com/news/wire/russi ... 3-article/

Reuters – “Russian gas company Gazprom said on Monday it would loan up to $2.5 billon to its subsidiary SouthStream Transport B.V. which is overseeing the construction of the TurkStream undersea gas pipeline to Turkey from Russia. The loan will be used to replenish working capital and will carry an annual rate of interest of 3.98 percent. The maturity of the loan is set for Dec. 30, 2023.
TurkStream consists of two lines with an annual capacity of 15.75 billion cubic metres each. The first line, already completed, will be used for Turkish domestic needs. The second line will run through Turkey to Europe. Bulgaria has said it will be the entry point for the second line of TurkStream. The pipeline is part of the Kremlin's plans to bypass Ukraine, currently the main transit route for Russian gas to Europe, and strengthen its foothold in the European gas market. Gas will start flowing via TurkStream next year, according to Gazprom's plans.”

I wonder if the POTUS has a plan to save the Ukraine govt should the Russians decide to not sell any NG to it and destroy its economy?
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Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 2

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Fri 08 Jun 2018, 04:36:46

Cid_Yama wrote:You really are a dick, cutting my quote to make it look like I said the opposite.(twice now) You waste my time.

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Cid_Yama wrote:Boy, playing that like you didn't intend to try to imply the Nazi's were leftists, not right like you always do.


Plant wrote:And that' my point---when you look at it objectively there isn't all that much difference between all these different flavors of authoritarian regimes.


Nonsense. All Authoritarians are bad, but they differ in who they go after, the ideology they promote (and suppress) and the type of world they create.

Very different.

We are now faced with Right-Wing Authoritarians, You want to live in that kind of world? Well I don't. That's why we fought in WWII.

Right-wing authoritarianism is not compatible with our type of government, nor our cherished values.


I understand that right-wing authoritarians cannot imagine a non-authoritarian government. It's called Freedom.

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Government is how we provide for our collective needs. The government is us taking care of ourselves. Of the people, by the people, for the people.

We fight to keep it that way.

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The hours men and women worked, the wages they received, the conditions of their labor - these had passed beyond the control of the people, and were imposed by this new industrial dictatorship. The savings of the average family, the capital of the small-businessmen, the investments set aside for old age - other people's money - these were tools which the new economic royalty used to dig itself in.

They have failed to eliminate or fully take control of our government. Regulation still binds them. The will of the people still has sway. The government is filled with many who defend her and the people from this encroachment. The battle continues.

Their mercenaries try to break your will. Try to convince you the battle is lost. Try to convince you that it is the government that is your enemy. The government is THEIR enemy.


The government remains in the hands of the people. The government is the battleground and the prize they seek to take from the people. The government is the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. The government is us and our dreams. And we shall fight to protect it to our dying breath.

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Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 2

Unread postby Tanada » Fri 08 Jun 2018, 10:00:38

ROCKMAN wrote:Interesting geopolitical chess game going on with the delivery of Russian NG to Europe. In particular the Russian effort to increase delivery capability as well as avoid a potential bottleneck in the continuing unstable Ukraine. And the strong opposition by the POTUS and some EU countries. From

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/energy/finance ... many/19506
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In addition to the U.S., many European countries, including Denmark, Poland and Lithuania, are against the Nord Stream II claiming it will increase Russian influence on European energy markets. In November 2017, the Danish Parliament approved a law that allows the country's authorities to prohibit the construction of Nord Stream II in Danish territorial waters.”

So as a result the Russian are developing an alternate plan: instead of Germany controlling the distribution of the additional NG supplies Turkey will control the flow of this supply. Turkey which has repeatedly proved itself to not be a friend the EU or any other country in the region. Perhaps the POTUS expects cost equivalent exported US LNG will replace Russian supplies. That math has already done and it doesn’t even come close. Of course none of this is of any importance to our MSM: Stormy is a much more interesting story. LOL. From

https://www.rigzone.com/news/wire/russi ... 3-article/

I wonder if the POTUS has a plan to save the Ukraine govt should the Russians decide to not sell any NG to it and destroy its economy?


Western Europe needs to get a grip on reality some time soon. Objectively observed the attempt to roll Russia and keep forcing them to sell gas at below market rates to the EU through Ukraine has been an abysmal failure. Even worse the UK has become a net importer with growing demand while the Dutch, Danish and Norwegian portions of the North Sea fields are anything but fresh and expanding production is not an option. The EU has decided for various reasons of the political sort that Natural Gas is a better option than native coal (which is still abundant) or nuclear fission (which is politically unpopular). Therefor it is incumbent upon them to secure supplies of Natural Gas for their nation states, and yet they continue to insist that the major exporter/supplier (Russia) roll over and play dead to suit the whims of EU politics and politicians.

That is simply not going to happen and continuing to insist that if they ignore reality hard enough will make that change is both stupid and dangerous.

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Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 2

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Fri 08 Jun 2018, 11:00:42

ROCKMAN wrote:I wonder if the POTUS has a plan to save the Ukraine govt should the Russians decide to not sell any NG to it and destroy its economy?

Sadly, it would seem to be the opposite.

Russia was booted out of the G8 in 2014 due to its invasion of Ukraine, and rightly so.

Now Trump wants to reinstate it into the G7 (making it the G8 again). So, IOW, just throwing Ukraine completely under the bus, and giving Russia a complete pass.

This is madness. Economic sanctions are one of the only effective ways of punishing bad behavior of countries like Russia, unless folks want to resort to potentially massive wars.

Despite all his claims of being so great at deals, Trump seems to be completely blind to many strategic ideas.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/08/politics ... index.html

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Of course now Cog can regale us with tales of how this proves I love HRC and how I voted for her. :roll:
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Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 2

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 08 Jun 2018, 11:59:32

Outcast_Searcher wrote:
Now Trump .... throwing Ukraine completely under the bus, and giving Russia a complete pass.

This is madness. Economic sanctions are one of the only effective ways of punishing bad behavior of countries like Russia, unless folks want to resort to potentially massive wars.


There are other options then sanctions or massive wars.

For instance, when it comes to Ukraine do you know that Trump has approved US weapons sales to Ukraine, something that the cowardly Obama refused to do. Now that Trump is arming the Ukrainians with high-tech US weapons, the Ukrainians have a chance of standing up to the Russian sponsored militants in eastern Ukraine.

trump-administration-approves-lethal-arms-sales-to-ukraine

Arming the Ukrainians is hardly "giving Russia a complete pass." Quite the opposite. For the first time the US is standing up to directly counter Russian military aggression against Ukraine and helping Ukraine to defend itself..

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Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 2

Unread postby AgentR11 » Fri 08 Jun 2018, 13:02:21

Outcast_Searcher wrote:Despite all his claims of being so great at deals, Trump seems to be completely blind to many strategic ideas.


Not really blind, but the president's foreign policy preferences appear to be at odds with those of congress and the dread "deep state". It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out. Who really decides the foreign policy of the United States, day to day?

That said, Russia doesn't really get much benefit out of being in the G7/8 as its economy isn't service and high tech export oriented. What's good for the G7 isn't likely that great for Russia and so they're always at cross purposes. Membership offered previously was more an ego-status kind of thing, not very helpful to them.

As to supporting Ukraine? Ukraine needs a decade of training to have any hope of taking back E. Ukraine; and has no hope of taking back Crimea regardless. The West simply has nothing to offer that comes close to the value of Crimea to Russia.
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Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 2

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Fri 08 Jun 2018, 13:16:10

Plantagenet wrote:
Outcast_Searcher wrote:
Now Trump .... throwing Ukraine completely under the bus, and giving Russia a complete pass.

This is madness. Economic sanctions are one of the only effective ways of punishing bad behavior of countries like Russia, unless folks want to resort to potentially massive wars.


There are other options then sanctions or massive wars.

For instance, when it comes to Ukraine do you know that Trump has approved US weapons sales to Ukraine, something that the cowardly Obama refused to do. Now that Trump is arming the Ukrainians with high-tech US weapons, the Ukrainians have a chance of standing up to the Russian sponsored militants in eastern Ukraine.

trump-administration-approves-lethal-arms-sales-to-ukraine

Arming the Ukrainians is hardly "giving Russia a complete pass." Quite the opposite. For the first time the US is standing up to directly counter Russian military aggression against Ukraine and helping Ukraine to defend itself..

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Fair enough, but:

1). Giving other countries arms to help them throw off oppressors is a mixed bag. Sometimes it works out well (Russians in Afghanistan) and sometimes much less so (arms to M.E. countries that have various terrorist factions, whose attitude towards arms providers are prone to shift).

2). Why give them an ECONOMIC pass at all, until they get the hell out of Ukraine, Crimea, etc? That's my main point -- why reward bad behavior?

Though Trump may not be throwing Ukraine completely under the bus, his behavior, at best, looks wildly inconsistent.
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Re: Re: D. J. Trump Administration Geopolitics Pt. 2

Unread postby Cog » Fri 08 Jun 2018, 13:19:35

Perhaps by arming the Ukrainians we can give the Russians a little payback for shooting down MH17. Something you Putin lovers(AgentR11) denied for years.

As far as Outcast Searcher goes, he sucks up the MSN propaganda that Russia is the source of all evil in the world and wants WW3 with them. There is a place in between kissing Russian ass and going to war with them. Trump has found that balance. I know he misses all things Obama but Obama is retired. Sorry your girl and her reset button lost man.
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