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President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 2

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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 1

Unread postby Newfie » Fri 07 Sep 2018, 16:15:27

I pretty much see CEOs and Generals/Admirals as politicians. Their stock and trade is working with people and conviencing them to do something or at least blaming others successfully.
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Re: Trump's Cabinet reportedly discussed invoking the 25th

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Fri 07 Sep 2018, 18:15:27

Omarosa tonight said she recognizes the phrasing and writing style of the op-ed. That it's a Pence staffer.

Would make sense, if Pence is trying to push him out.

Pence says the President will be back to normal in a couple months :lol:
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Re: Trump's Cabinet reportedly discussed invoking the 25th

Unread postby Cog » Fri 07 Sep 2018, 18:25:52

It's not Pence or anyone who works for him. It's more than likely an intern working for the new York times. But keep at it Colombo.

Moronososa is your source? Bwahaha
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Re: Trump's Cabinet reportedly discussed invoking the 25th

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Fri 07 Sep 2018, 18:56:11

Says the moron that doesn't have a clue that the crowd at Morning Joe look forward to Trump's tweets for their laugh of the day. But go ahead and keep thinking people are 'enraged' by Trump's tweets. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 1

Unread postby ralfy » Fri 07 Sep 2018, 20:42:35

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Re: Trump's Cabinet reportedly discussed invoking the 25th

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Fri 07 Sep 2018, 23:57:51

Cog wrote:The tweets are loved by Trump supporters. The left is enraged by them. Trump knows the effect they have.

But how about the moderates? Clearly the Trump true believers will tend to like him and vote for him no matter what. And the left will tend NOT to vote for him no matter what.

It's the people in the middle who are actually willing to look at data and events and vote according to what they believe (not for some party or what group X says to do) who will matter in 2020. I have trouble believing lots of tweets with problems with facts, data, and even objective reality are helping him outside the true believers.
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Re: Trump's Cabinet reportedly discussed invoking the 25th

Unread postby dissident » Sat 08 Sep 2018, 00:41:08

The characterization of Trump as a complete racist and total incompetent are utterly detached from reality. What we are seeing is the usual mass media induced hysteria. As was the case in Germany during the 1930s. Except in the case of the USA the mass media is trying to depose the leader as opposed to acting as his trumpet. While Hillary loves to bitch about Trump being Hitler, by any objective measure she would fit the bill much better given the goose-stepping mass media liars propping her up.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 1

Unread postby dissident » Sat 08 Sep 2018, 00:43:53



So?

This seems like another pathetic attempt to insert a non sequitur Hillary-tard claim. North Korea is vastly less developed than South Korea and its people would be much better off with hotel development on its empty beaches than living in a personality cult kingdom toilet afflicted with starvation and poverty.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 1

Unread postby ralfy » Sat 08 Sep 2018, 01:47:28

dissident wrote:
So?

This seems like another pathetic attempt to insert a non sequitur Hillary-tard claim. North Korea is vastly less developed than South Korea and its people would be much better off with hotel development on its empty beaches than living in a personality cult kingdom toilet afflicted with starvation and poverty.


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Re: Trump's Cabinet reportedly discussed invoking the 25th

Unread postby ralfy » Sat 08 Sep 2018, 01:50:03

Trump the twittering TV guy.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 1

Unread postby Newfie » Sat 08 Sep 2018, 05:56:36

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Re: Trump's Cabinet reportedly discussed invoking the 25th

Unread postby evilgenius » Sat 08 Sep 2018, 10:29:51

All of this because people refuse to admit how much of what they think is sound in them is merely whatever emotion they happen to be experiencing at the time. It's amazing. The path to Trump's re-election is clear, start a war. It doesn't have to be a big one. American troops just have to be involved and a good 65% of the people will rally behind him. It would get a lot of Republicans back into office as well. It doesn't matter if those same people who would wind up voting for him might disagree with the concept of whatever war right now. They would back him, and his party, out of pure emotion. Just watch.
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Re: Trump's Cabinet reportedly discussed invoking the 25th

Unread postby lpetrich » Sat 08 Sep 2018, 12:06:31

Who wrote that NYT op-ed? I've seen a lot of speculation, and here are the two theories that I like best, theories that are based on stylistic evidence.

NYT Trump column: Linguistic clues to White House insider? - BBC News -- Mike Pence, Vice President
  • The word "lodestar"
  • Sentence length (typical of Pence and shorter than for typical official statements)
  • Use of passive voice (much more than for typical official statements)

Who is the New York Times anonymous op-ed writer? There’s an obvious suspect. -- Jon Huntsman, Ambassador to Russia
  • Article: "Effusive about conservative policies, blunt about low character."
  • Article: "Flamboyantly erudite" and "pious"
  • Same points about Trump as in 2016
  • "Americans should know that there are adults in the room"
  • "Country first", his and John McCain's campaign slogan
  • Admiration for John McCain, calling him a "lodestar"
  • "Malign", especially about Russia
  • "Moorings", moral ones
  • "Amoral" instead of "immoral"
  • "Impetuous"
  • "Inclination"
  • "... reaching across the aisle and resolving to shed the labels." Huntsman was in No Labels
  • "Work diligently"
  • "This great nation"

Both Mike Pence and Jon Huntsman deny having written this Op-Ed, and most other high-level Trump Administration officials have also denied having done so.

Did someone imitate their styles? That's not impossible, but it would have required a very good writer to do so.
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Re: Trump's Cabinet reportedly discussed invoking the 25th

Unread postby lpetrich » Sat 08 Sep 2018, 12:13:52

This NYT op-ed closely follows the release of Bob Woodward's new book "Fear", a book that makes similar points. It states that high-level officials have kept documents from the Chief Executive's desk, documents that would have caused a lot of trouble if he had signed them. This and other things that the book discusses may explain why the Trump Administration's policies sometimes seem very incoherent.

It also has some curious revelations, like when Trump was induced by his aides to condemn the Charlottesville neo-Nazis, he claimed that it was the "biggest (expletive) mistake that he ever made." He had previously claimed that some of them were very fine people.
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Re: Trump's Cabinet reportedly discussed invoking the 25th

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Sat 08 Sep 2018, 12:22:45

I - "Did someone imitate their styles? That's not impossible, but it would have required a very good writer to do so." Towards your point about propaganda writing styles: folks should read what the experts say. In particular those of the Allie writers of WWII. I did long ago. What was amazing was how the writers were able to get into the mindsets of the potential readers of their propaganda works. A great study into understanding human nature. Many of hose same writers were also excellent at extracting useful intel from POW's who weren't going to divulge anything "useful". Often the key in both the propaganda and intel gathering wasn't what was said but what wasn't said.
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Re: Trump's Cabinet reportedly discussed invoking the 25th

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Sat 08 Sep 2018, 12:38:07

I - And I don't think its the case but one can't rule out the opinion writer wasn't a plant by the R's. Even in President Obama full frontal attack of President Trump he criticized the opinion piece assertions as an attack of the principles of the US electoral process. You have to hunt his statement down: not played much by the MSM.

I tried to explain to my liberal Yankee wife: while the opinion piece might make her giggle she doesn't see the loaded talking point it provides the R's going into the midterm election. Adds greatly to President Trump's insane rants about the "Deep State" destroying the country. Back to the "Art of War": don't provide your enemy with motivation to destroy you. Something the German SS learned the hard way when they executed a group of US engineer POW's during the "Battle of the Bulge".

Again, this goes back to what I said about effective propaganda: it's not always talking bad about your enemy. Sometimes it's about putting out propaganda that appears to be written by your enemy.
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Re: Trump's Cabinet reportedly discussed invoking the 25th

Unread postby asg70 » Sat 08 Sep 2018, 13:30:09

Plantagenet wrote:The Ds are going through the seven stages of grief.


What does this have to do with the Ds? It's Trump's cabinet who thinks the guy is mentally unfit. You're just searching for reasons not to throw your guy under the bus.

HALL OF SHAME:
-Short welched on a bet and should be shunned.
-Frequent-flyers should not cry crocodile-tears over climate-change.
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Re: Trump's Cabinet reportedly discussed invoking the 25th

Unread postby Zarquon » Sat 08 Sep 2018, 16:48:47

Ibon wrote:Erratic, vile, corrupt, criminal, amoral, mentally and intellectually unfit for his office, dangerous.

Wasn't that the campaign slogan?

mmasters wrote:Surprised we haven't heard Trump is a reptilian shape shifter yet.

Just because *you* didn't get the memo doesn't mean nobody did.

Outcast_Searcher wrote:As you said. This is America. There are rules, at least theoretically.

"Smokey, this isn't 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules."

rockdoc123 wrote:If Trump never tweeted this would never be a problem..he could rant and do whatever behind the scenes and no one would be the wiser or care (my guess is many of the former Presidents did the same).


"The drinking was so serious near the end of Mr. Nixon's presidency amid the Watergate scandal, the book goes on to say, that Defense Secretary James Schlesinger warned military units not to react to orders from the White House unless they were cleared with him or Secretary of State Henry Kissinger."

Besides, what's so great about President Pence? That he'd lose in 2020?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 1

Unread postby ralfy » Sat 08 Sep 2018, 18:43:59

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Re: President Donald J. Trump Domestic Pt. 1

Unread postby Cog » Sat 08 Sep 2018, 19:25:22

The hate is going to eat you up ralfy. Six more years.
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