[WeAreFUBAR]

Hi crewdem, we really got to start a topic each? just to say hello?! jeez this place gonna get crammed... ;-p

nice to have found what appears to be a very dedicated PO site. beautiful place.....

ah hey, poem, wrote it last year or year before, the ryhmings embarrassingly bad but the message is there....

Wake Up!
Rise from your eternal slumber,
and refuse to embrace the world of drudgery,
for a tax-paying cog in the machine you will be,
Open Your Eyes! Observe! and See....
this consumer path leads inevitably,
to a solid brick wall of scarcity...
a world without cars people don't want to believe
they'd rather adhere to this mass fantasy,
guaranteeing end end with every action,
people wont hear, even if you shout through a klaxon,
facts are shouting a deafening warning,
humanity toils on, endlessly snoring,
"Brush it under the carpet, it will go away"
Naieve in belief plane and car will stay,
Banks know it,their emptying the kitty,
won't be able to spend the cash.more's the pity
humanity's experiment in over consumption,
means our way of life will cease to function.
Walking's down the highstreet you can hardly see,
how abundance will be reflaced by scarcity,
everyone ignorant to the apocalyptic tragedy...
YOu really think this world is sustainable?
85mbl forever obtainable?
do the maths, its 3bbl a month,
fail to find it we hit the ground with a bump,
1000barrels a second is what we drink,
what we do when it's over,no one want to think,
max capacity, 4bn people gone, in a blink,
all becauswe someone made silly assumption,
we can forever contine, Sustainable Consumption...

[Narz]

Cool. Now bust into CNN or Fox News during their newscast & recite it live to the masses!

[SeaGypsy]

No need to think
There's plenty to drink
Got to stay positive
Negativity's causative
Solar works a treat
Got peak oil beat
Running out of room?
Let's go to the Moon
Too hot outside?
In the aircon we'll hide
No more water?
Time for a slaughter
I do what I do
For me and mine
Worry about the future?
I don't have time

[Anders]

I have been following peak oil information for a while and it seems to me that a plateau in global oil production has already been reached and that it may be difficult to increase the total production much from the current level which has remained essentially flat since around 2005.

Politicians around the world are no doubt very concerned but peak oil is not a big topic in media yet it seems. And I appreciate that this forum is dedicated to this as I see it important topic.

[Pops]

Welcome Anders, tell us how you think the depletion of fossil fuels will affect you.

[Anders]

Welcome Anders, tell us how you think the depletion of fossil fuels will affect you.

Thanks. I'm personally not worried about the future although I think the next few years a tight oil supply will continue to be something politicians will have to struggle with.

I believe the accelerating technological progress will soon start to catch up with the problem of peak oil.

[mattduke]

Welcome!

[americandream]

Welcome Anders and hope you enjoy the discussions. Robust but well intentioned.

[quadzillajim]

I have been reading about peak oil recently on this site and others. I live in Las Vegas and work in the gaming industry and worry that if it happens soon what the effect on my life could be. I think I may be leaning towards being a doomer
but I'm not sure what a doomer is. What is the difference between doomers and non doomers?

[Keith_McClary]

What is the difference between doomers and non doomers?

Non doomers are like people who expect to go home from Vegas with winnings.

[Pops]

What is the difference between doomers and non doomers?

Non doomers are like people who expect to go home from Vegas with winnings.

What Keith said!

Hi Jim.
Mostly, people come in 2 flavors, optimists (non doomers) and pessimists (doomers).
In the case of oil (and water, and topsoil and phosphorus and rock/roll and whatever other vital resource) the optimists think the growing population will either be able to reduce use sufficiently to make the resource stretch to fit demand or, more typically, technology will innovate the problem away by continuously increasing the supply or creating alternatives.
Ultra optimists think there is no possibility of a shortage of anything because we are within striking distance of achieving Singularity and refuse to acknowledge any bad news of any sort.

Doomers think... we're doomed.
Uber-Doomers think (hope) doom will happen overnight, preferably this night and can name all 6 broken seals, all the important dates in the Mayan calendar and the portent of Navajo prophesies as well as recite every Executive Order signed since Roosevelt and the ballistics tables of every popular round.

Most people fall somewhere in between and most do nothing about it except talk (not all, you know who you are) - we're sort of a coffee clatch of doom I guess.

I'm not sure where a peaker who lives in Vegas ranks, I think we had a gal here a while back who lived in Vegas but she begged/borrowed/stole her and her daughter's way to the northwest somewhere.

Anyway, welcome, you'll find somewhere to fit in!

[timmac]

I have been reading about peak oil recently on this site and others. I live in Las Vegas and work in the gaming industry and worry that if it happens soon what the effect on my life could be. I think I may be leaning towards being a doomer
but I'm not sure what a doomer is. What is the difference between doomers and non doomers?

Vegas, thats the worse place to be when SHTF.
And I mean really now they don't grow food, water is drying up, highest foreclosures, highest per capital deaths buy guns, 15% unemployed, crack houses everywhere, freaking hot in the summer, city is about to go broke, business closing down everywhere, Steve Wynn is even leaving Vegas and did I leave something out ??.


Oh yea I am from this freaking place , oh well at least we still got our 50 all you can eat buffets..

[Sixstrings]

oh well at least we still got our 50 all you can eat buffets..

Been to Vegas for vacation once.. I really loved Bellagio's buffet. King crab legs, already spit for you. Then $2 steak and eggs at the Sahara at 4am (tough steak, but hey two bucks!!!). I liked the Sahara because at that time they had a couple $1 minimum bet blackjack tables, compared to $5 minimum everywhere else. I collected a plastic coin cup from each casino I went to, ended up with like 40 of them (cool souvenirs, and free!). I finally threw them all out a couple years ago.

I have to say, I had more fun in Vegas in a week than any other vacation -- the place does give you some bang for your buck. Downsides.. the heat for sure. I went in August, I seem to recall the thermometer in the convertible hitting 118 (maybe memory is cloudy and it was 109, I just just know it was some ungodly number I'd never seen on a thermometer before). At one point I got the bright idea to walk between two of the casinos on the strip.. well, they are a lot farther apart than they seem. I got heat exhaustion for the one and only time in my life, and it didn't help that when I finally got to the casino I had a hell of a time tracking down a water fountain.

But overall, it was a real blast. I had so much fun I never got a chance for a day trip out to Hoover Dam, only thing I regret not doing. Incidentally, I saw a documentary the other day about Lake Meade going dry. Does that scare the heck out of you guys who live there? Or do you just think "they'll find water somewhere?"

[timmac]

Incidentally, I saw a documentary the other day about Lake Meade going dry. Does that scare the heck out of you guys who live there? Or do you just think "they'll find water somewhere?"

As to the lake drying up yes it is way down, we have a white ring now around the lake that is 60-70 feet high, some boat harbor areas are gone to, but there is still a lot of water left on that lake, was on it a week ago with my brand new pontoon boat and it is still a very large body of water, I don't see us running out anytime soon.

Finding water here NO, unless we pipe it in, that is what our water district is trying to do now, they have bought up water rights in Northern Nevada and water rights in a large lake in Wyoming or Montana can't remember witch one, the plan is to lay water pipe lines and send it to Vegas, but with the economy the way it is that is on hold for now.

Vegas only gets 2-4 inches of rain per year..

[quadzillajim]

Thanks for the welcome pops.

[Bella]

Been away for awhile, but that don't mean I ever jumped off the sustainability train.
I see they did a very nice site upgrade while I was off doing other things,
very nice.

Now that the Gulf has a great stinky leak,
How can one doubt that oil is at peak.
So we've had a good time, and some really great rides,
but soon t'will be over, now that there's crude on the tide.

[helenk579]

Hi !
I've just visited this forum. Happy to get acquainted with you. Thanks.

[thaiexpat]

I'm an an Amerikan expat, having escaped from the 'rat race' of the west over 2 decades ago and came originally to the Philippines, and then moved to Thailand over 12 yrs ago, where I married a Thai woman and finally settled down with her 2 kids in the northern part of Thailand.

In my former life, I was always a 'fringe person' and spent a decade off the grid in Hawaii and know solar and other alternatives of that era [1980's]. Those were the good old days and the transition to survival mode was much easier, being 30 yrs younger....in fact we used to wish for a doomsday scenario. When I was in the Philippines in my 40's, I spent 2+ years living in a grass shack in the mountains and growing rice and living off the land with a local native tribe, so I know what roughing it is like.

Now that it seems to be becoming a reality, I'm having a hard time coming to grips with it and preparing for survival mode at 63 yrs old [and a lot more spoiled with comforts that we take for granted] it is not as attractive as it was when I was in my 20's and 30's. In fact, I'm beginning to dread the hard times ahead, as I'll miss my luxuries and at my age I don't know if I'll be physically up to the task if the going gets too rough.

Thailand may be a good place to ride out the storm as it is a developing nation...just a generation away from bicycles as main mode of transport and Thailand has always been able to feed herself and others, being a major exporter of rice. In fact, most of south east Asia will most probably suffer less as they don't have as far to fall as the west does. There are still nomadic tribes that are hunter-gatherers in our region that have little or no contact with the modern world........they won't feel it at all and may be the last human survivors.

To be honest, I almost regret finding this forum and see a lot of negativity [paranoia?] when positivity can be more constructive when it comes to survival. For instance, I had to search this forum quite thoroughly to find the kind of info that I was seeking on how to retrofit my existing house for more Independence from the power grid.

There must be many others out there in my age range that are thinking the same thoughts as me......'what to do in your 60's with a limited budget??'

I'm thinking to start out moderately with a back up solar elect setup and to sell my diesel guzzling truck to buy an LPG or natural gas vehicle. they now offer factory installed [with warranty] smaller cars and Thailand has a large and still growing network of refill stations.

We already have a 'victory garden' and into open polinated seeds and altho we don't yet grow enough to be totally self sufficient, we are growing and learning more each year. Also have a few chickens and ducks that do support our egg needs.

Also wondering if there are other [wanna be] 'doomers' over here in Thailand or south east asia that would want to network and share info and resources?? If so, give me a shout by PM.

And I will offer any info on 'survival in Asia' to any that may be considering the move to one of the areas in the world that will be the least impacted. Again, contact by PM.

[metaforge]

Yup, Vegas is a hell hole. Will be among the first major cities to go MZB when TSHTF, along with Phoenix.

[metaforge]

Was a contributor over at one of the other boards, but am hoping to make a new doom home here.