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International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 27 Mar 2021, 21:18:26

Joe Biden is inviting dozens of world leaders, including Putin and Chairman Xi, to a "climate summit" in April.

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It will be a "virtual" summit.

Apparently Joe BIden, Putin, Xi and the rest will all be on Zoom.

Apparently Biden is going to take the "Obama" approach, and commit the US to undertake major reductions in CO2 emissions while not requiring the same thing from China, India, Russia and other countries. This just shows that Joe BIden can't do math, just like Obama. CO2 emissions are growing so rapidly in China and India that US emissions could drop to zero, and increasing CO2 emissions in China and India would replace all US emissions in under a decade.

The only way to reduce global CO2 emissions is to have every country.....and especially India and China.......join the US in committing to stopping the growth in CO2 emissions. The US going it alone isn't going to be
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Joe Biden is going to host a giant climate meeting for world leaders on ZOOM! I hope its open to the public! I want to see it!

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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 28 Mar 2021, 19:55:43

Plant,

I have been reading “Done Even Think About It”

https://www.amazon.com/Dont-Even-Think- ... 163286102X

Not quite half way through. It is a good summary if how the human mind has evolved to address threats. There is little to be hopeful about. If it is like almost all books it will end on a positive note about how if we do XYZ now there is still time to save our ass.

I don't think so. If you look at the IPCC (?) carbon budget estimates we have very little room left to make necessary changes. All of our remaining budget needs to ho into the transition, and we are not doing that.

The “good” news is the worst effects kick in after I will be worm food. Not so good for future generations. I have come to see as effectively similar to a giant asteroid, it is coming, it will hit, we are powerless to stop it. That I am a part of that asteroid makes for some sharp irony.

Not to stop you from your posts, please carry on.
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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 28 Mar 2021, 21:33:54

Newfie wrote:Plant,

I have been reading “Done Even Think About It”

https://www.amazon.com/Dont-Even-Think- ... 163286102X

Not quite half way through. It is a good summary if how the human mind has evolved to address threats. There is little to be hopeful about. If it is like almost all books it will end on a positive note about how if we do XYZ now there is still time to save our ass.

I don't think so. If you look at the IPCC (?) carbon budget estimates we have very little room left to make necessary changes. All of our remaining budget needs to ho into the transition, and we are not doing that.


Yup. I totally agree with you. I was somewhat hopeful that the UN Climate Treaty Process might produce a meaningful global climate treat that would mandate CO2 emissions reductions, right up until Obama derailed the Copenhagen meeting and destroyed any chance of getting a real climate treaty signed. Now we're stuck in the useless and phony Paris Climate accords, and ever since the Paris Accords were signed global CO2 emissions go up each year and the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere increases each year, showing the Paris Accords have utterly failed to control global CO2 emissions.

I haven't read the book you are reading but it sounds very interesting.

Newfie wrote:The “good” news is the worst effects kick in after I will be worm food. Not so good for future generations. I have come to see as effectively similar to a giant asteroid, it is coming, it will hit, we are powerless to stop it. That I am a part of that asteroid makes for some sharp irony.

Not to stop you from your posts, please carry on.


No, again I agree with you completely. I'm to the point that I've become curious about exactly how global warming is going to screw the planet up, and I'm watching the whole show year by year. Forest fires, floods, giant hurricanes, glacier melt, permafrost melt, sea level rise, Arctic ocean sea ice disappearing........its all entertaining, in a curiously morbid -end-of-the-world way.

AND I'm grateful to PeakOil.com for letting me post about this stuff.......its a way to purge my anger and sadness about have to live through the end of the world, just because our politicians are a bunch of lying, hypocritical phonies on the global warming issue who couldn't even negotiate a real climate treaty that would require CO2 emissions on a global basis.

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PS: One of the fascinating things about this "climate summit" called by Biden is that he has asked Putin and Xi to participate, just weeks after calling Putin a "killer" and accusing Xi of genocide. Putin immediately challenged Biden to a public debate over it, but Biden backed down.

I wonder if we're going to see some fireworks between Biden and Putin and Xi in this "ZOOM" climate conference........or will Putin and Xi just pretend that Biden didn't insult them a few weeks ago.??

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Biden stupidly blurted out thatPutin is a Killer.....and now he want's Putin to play nice and be part of a group zoom call about climate change.....I wonder how that will all work out?
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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby JuanP » Sun 28 Mar 2021, 22:33:47

Plantagenet, Putin and Xi have no obligation to attend this zoom call organized by Biden. China and Russia could be represented by their prime ministers, foreign ministers, or simply not attend. I suspect that both Putin and Xi will attend, though, and simply ignore Biden, unless he attacks them again, in which case they will probably just bitch slap him again. Russia and China have essentially given up in the last couple of weeks on having good relations with the US, UK, EU, Australia, and Canada. I expect international relations to become more polarized and confrontational in the short term future.

Biden thinks that he can force Russia and China to act against their own interests using Climate Change, and the ideas of democracy and human rights as an excuse. I believe that the Russians and the Chinese have decided not to play along. Russia and China will do what they think is best for their people, and increasingly ignore the West. By insulting Xi and Putin personally, Biden guaranteed that any negotiations between the West, Russia, and China will be very, very tough. Biden is a f***ing moron!

Not that I ever thought humanity would deal with Climate Change intelligently, it's just not possible based on what we are and how we evolved. I am soooo glad I never had children and this is just like watching a horror Multimedia series for me. Sad, but extremely entertaining in a very morbid way, as you correctly pointed out.

I have no skin in the game; I don't give a f*** what happens to humanity or human civilization. What goes around comes around and what goes up must come down. I wish all the suffering that awaits us as a species could have been prevented, but that was never the case. It was always a matter of when, not if.
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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby dissident » Tue 30 Mar 2021, 11:48:28

China is winding down its coal power plant frenzy and is moving to natural gas (from Russia and elsewhere) and nuclear power. Russia is building up its solar panel farms and wind mill arrays at the same time as it maintains nuclear power generation. They don't need some senile blow hard hater to brow beat them "into line".

https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emiss ... emissions/

Note how China's CO2 emissions plateaued from 2008 even though its GDP kept growing at a pace only slightly slower than before. This indicates a fundamental transition in the nature of CO2 emissions in China. I fully expect them to start declining in the coming years from the decline in coal use. This is driven by air quality problems in major Chinese cities and the growing demands by Chinese people for better quality of life.
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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby Tanada » Fri 29 Oct 2021, 23:43:18

COP26 report, lots of embedded graphs at link below quote.

COP26 aims to banish coal. Asia is building hundreds of power plants to burn it

Summary

New coal plants to emit 28 bln tonnes carbon
COP26 host wants agreement on ending coal use
Asian governments say coal needed for economic growth
Coal remains world's leading power-generation fuel

UDANGUDI, India/TOKYO, Oct 29 (Reuters) - On the coastline near India's southern tip, workers toil on a pier carrying a conveyor belt that cuts a mile into the Indian Ocean where the azure waters are deep enough for ships to berth and unload huge cargoes of coal.

The belt will carry millions of tonnes of coal each year to a giant power plant several kilometres inland that will burn the fuel for at least 30 years to generate power for the more than 70 million people that live in India's Tamil Nadu state.

The Udangudi plant is one of nearly 200 coal-fired power stations under construction in Asia, including 95 in China, 28 in India and 23 in Indonesia, according to data from U.S. nonprofit Global Energy Monitor (GEM).

This new fleet will produce planet-warming emissions for decades and is a measure of the challenge world leaders face when they meet for climate talks in Glasgow, where they hope to sound the death knell for coal as a source of power.

Coal use is one of the many issues dividing industrialised and developing countries as they seek to tackle climate change.

Many industrialised countries have been shutting down coal plants for years to reduce emissions. The United States alone has retired 301 plants since 2000.

But in Asia, home to 60% of the world's population and about half of global manufacturing, coal's use is growing rather than shrinking as rapidly developing countries seek to meet booming demand for power.

More than 90% of the 195 coal plants being built around the world are in Asia, according to data from GEM.

Tamil Nadu is India's second-most industrialised state and is one of the country's top renewable energy producers. But it is also building the most coal-fired plants in the country. read more

"We cannot depend on just solar and wind," a senior official at Tamil Nadu Generation and Distribution Corp told Reuters.

"You can have the cake of coal and an icing of solar," he said, declining to be named as he was not authorised to speak to media.

Coal-fired power plants in operation, construction and in permit phase by country

HOOKED ON COAL

Despite dramatic jumps in renewable energy output, the global economy remains hooked on coal for electricity. In Asia, coal's share of the generation mix is twice the global average - especially in surging economies such as India.

In 2020, more than 35% of the world's power came from coal, according to the BP Statistical Review of World Energy. Roughly 25% came from natural gas, 16% from hydro dams, 10% from nuclear and 12% from renewables like solar and wind.

This year, coal demand is set for a new record, driving prices to all-time highs and contributing to a worldwide scramble for fuel. read more

Record coal demand is contributing to a rapid rise in emissions in 2021 after a fall last year, when restrictions on movement for billions of people to slow the pandemic caused fuel use to plummet.

While some of the new coal plants under construction will replace older, more polluting stations, together they will add to total emissions.

"The completion of the capacity that is already under construction in these countries will drive up coal demand and emissions," said Lauri Myllyvirta, lead analyst with the Centre for Research on Energy and Clear Air.

The carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions from the new plants alone will be close to 28 billion tonnes over their 30-year lifespans, according to GEM.

That's not far off the 32 billion tonnes of total worldwide CO2 emissions from all sources in 2020, according to BP, highlighting how tough it will be for leaders gathering in Glasgow - including Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi - to make meaningful progress on climate change.

India's Environment Secretary Rameshwar Prasad Gupta told Reuters in a recent interview that India was on track to reach its target of cutting back the country's carbon footprint, and with that coal, too, would fall - but it cannot be abolished.

"Look, every country has its strengths. We have coal, we have to depend on it," Gupta said.

"Our position is once you take up targets of reducing carbon intensity, that will have impact ... Leave it to us whether we do it in coal, or somewhere else."

Anil Swarup, a former Coal Secretary, took the same line in an interview. "Renewable energy expansion is critical, but coal will remain India's main energy source for the next 15 years at least, and production needs to be ramped up to address our energy needs," he said.

CHINA CRUNCH

Across India, 281 coal plants are operating and beyond the 28 being built another 23 are in pre-construction phases, GEM data show.

These numbers are dwarfed by China, the top global coal miner, consumer and emitter, whose leader, President Xi Jinping, is not expected to attend COP26. More than 1,000 coal plants are in operation, almost 240 planned or already under construction.

Together, coal plants in the world's second-largest economy will emit 170 billion tonnes of carbon in their lifetime - more than all global CO2 emissions between 2016 and 2020, BP data show.

Lifetime CO2 emissions from coal-fired power plants by region and stage of development

Despite also boasting the world's largest renewables capacity, China is now suffering a major energy crunch and has urged coal miners to raise output. read more

That's likely to boost coal consumption in the near term, even though China plans to reduce coal use from 2026. read more

Even so, total global coal consumption looks set to rise, driven by accelerating use in South and Southeast Asia, where projects under construction will raise coal-burning capacity by 17% and 26% respectively.

Lifetime CO2 emissions from coal plants by country
Lifetime CO2 emissions from coal plants by country

AFTERLIFE

Even in economies committed to slashing emissions, coal's grip remains strong.

Japan, with its nuclear power industry in crisis since the Fukushima disaster, has turned to coal to fill the gap and is building seven large new coal-fired power stations.

Leading generator JERA plans to add clean-burning ammonia to be used with coal to help meet its target to be carbon neutral by 2050, and potentially keep old units operating longer. read more

On a bay near Nagoya, JERA's 30-year-old, 4,100 megawatt Hekinan station - once Asia's largest - supplies electricity to the likes of auto giant Toyota Motor Corp.

Like many power plants, Hekinan's boilers rely on fuel from top exporters such as Australia, where coal is both a vital source of revenue - $18 billion in the current financial year - and a bone of contention with allies urging ambitious emissions cuts.

Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison is set to attend the Glasgow talks. But resources minister Keith Pitt has said there would be demand for coal for decades and made it clear the country would not be swayed by pressure from banks, regulators and investors to hobble the industry. read more

"While the market exists, Australia will look to fill it," Pitt said.

($1 = 1.3398 Australian dollars)

Reporting by Sudarshan Varadhan in Udangudi, Aaron Sheldrick and Yuka Obayashi in Tokyo, and Melanie Burton In Melbourne; Additional reporting by Sanjeev Miglani in New Delhi; Editing by Gavin Maguire, Simon Webb and Kenneth Maxwell


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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 01 Nov 2021, 01:21:38

Joe Biden is at the UN COP meeting in Glasgow saying he wants to cut the use of oil to reduce CO2 emissions.

At the exact time, behind the scenes, Biden is begging OPEC for MORE oil production to help the US economy.

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Its this kind of duplicity and hypocrisy and double-dealing and lying from our politicians about climate change that is so discouraging.

I didn't think anyone would ever outdo Obama at pretending to care about climate change while actually making things worse......but so far it looks like Biden is actually going to be even worse then Obama.

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I didn't mind Joe cancelling the Keystone Pipeline to reduce fossil fuel use in the USA but why does Joe SUPPORT building new pipelines to allow the export of more Russian fossil fuel to the EU?

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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby dissident » Mon 01 Nov 2021, 12:18:53

Boohoo, ebil Roshian oil and gas soooo bad and dirty. US oil and gas sooo clean and holy.

Grow up.

Also, the KSA is a US client state and invests the money that US and western Europe pay it for oil back to them. So as far as the GDP of the NATO west is concerned it is getting the oil for free.
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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 01 Nov 2021, 22:35:43

Senile old Joe Biden dozes off while the world teeters on the brink of global warming destruction

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Next time I hope Joe's handlers get him out of the meeting before its Joe's nappie time. Or at least find a place for him to nap where the TV cameras won't show him napping.

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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby mousepad » Wed 03 Nov 2021, 13:57:08

I'm disappointed in this doom business.

At $3.5 at my station, gas still practically free, no peak oil in sight.
Global warming also a dud, plenty of cheap food available.

Doom should have come years ago, what's holding it up?
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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 03 Nov 2021, 20:21:07

Nothing is holding it up. People just have a hard time relating to slow evolving processes.
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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby yellowcanoe » Wed 03 Nov 2021, 21:20:12

Plantagenet wrote:Senile old Joe Biden dozes off while the world teeters on the brink of global warming destruction


My kind of guy! An afternoon nap really helps me get through the rest of the day.
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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby Peak_Yeast » Thu 04 Nov 2021, 06:13:02

At this point in time the changes to society and all other aspects of civilisation has to be dramatic to mitigate the perfect storm that has been created.

This is exactly why I was advocating for action some 30 years ago. Now we have to choose between killing off (indirectly or directly) a huge amount of people or totally destroy anything resembling the living standards we have gotten accustomed to.
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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 04 Nov 2021, 17:01:46

Peak_Yeast wrote:we have to choose between killing off (indirectly or directly) a huge amount of people or totally destroy anything resembling the living standards we have gotten accustomed to.


??????

Why not just shift to nuclear power and renewable power instead of using fossil fuels?

Rebuilding the energy sector to remove fossil fuels and decarbonizing the economy might even create a lot of jobs and be good for the economy.

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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby Tanada » Fri 05 Nov 2021, 22:17:46

Lots more at link below the quote.

When the Unstoppable Activists Met Their Match



Six months ago, the Sunrise Movement was feeling bullish. The four-year-old youth climate organization had catapulted a massive legislative blueprint, the Green New Deal, to the forefront of Democratic politics. It helped elect progressives in the House and Senate in 2018 and 2020. It even successfully nudged President Joe Biden to put one of its allies in his Cabinet. Its leaders were starting to talk about how 2021 could be “Year 1” of a transformational decade of climate-driven politics in America.

They had reasons for optimism. The Democratic Party had just gained control of both Congress and the White House, and the once-controversial Green New Deal was polling well among voters. In the four years since Sunrise publicly launched in mid-2017, it had grown from a handful of former student activists to a full-fledged advocacy organization with a paid staff of more than 100 people, millions of dollars between its 501(c)3, 501(c)4 and PAC, and thousands of regular volunteers across the country.

“We’re kind of at the strongest that we have ever been,” Sunrise co-founder and executive director Varshini Prakash, who is 28, told Politico Magazine in May. “We’re doing more rallies and demonstrations and actions.”

Six months later, however, “more rallies and demonstrations and actions” doesn’t have quite the same shine as it used to. As Congress started negotiating a big infrastructure spending bill this summer and fall, set against a backdrop of record-level heat waves and deadly floods, Sunrise increasingly turned up the dial on its activism — hoping to push for multitrillion-dollar green investments. Over the past two weeks, for example, five Sunrise members went on hunger strike outside the White House, hoping to force Biden to fight for them at the negotiating table. Yet it’s becoming clearer that the organization’s core political promise — that it could harness youthful energy and idealism to deliver true big-ticket change — will remain unrealized. The more than $500 billion in climate investment Congress is currently considering is only a fraction of what Sunrise was calling for. More broadly, the prospects of the U.S. adopting any truly radical policies to cut carbon emissions — the kind of thing many scientists say is necessary to avert climate catastrophe — have never looked slimmer.

“I’m feeling pretty enraged. We worked really hard as a movement, as a generation, as working people, to elect Biden and flip the Senate,” Sunrise’s advocacy director Lauren Maunus, who is 23, told Politico Magazine this week. “I’m really enraged that we have a Democratic trifecta and they haven’t delivered for us yet.”

What’s happening to Sunrise, right now, is a real-time test of the limits of the progressive wave of the past few years — that heady time for leftists in 2018 when the “Squad” was primarying establishment Democrats, when momentum from Sen. Bernie Sanders’ first presidential campaign was creating new horizons of possibility. The thesis driving the movement was pretty simple: If you push enough Democrats — in the public and the halls of power — to the left on an issue, the party will follow, much the same way the Tea Party and Freedom Caucus leveraged an obstinate minority to push the Republican Party to the right.

Sunrise, in particular, has promoted itself as the most effective vehicle for young people who want to push the government to go big on climate — more engaging and populist than traditional environmental organizations like Friends of the Earth, and more focused on real-world political results than theatrical new groups like Extinction Rebellion. The movement has been profiled by the likes of Vox and Vogue. “Sunrise has established itself as the dominant influence on the environmental policy of the Democratic Party’s young, progressive wing,” the New Yorker wrote at the end of 2018.

But this year, Sunrise’s strategy has run up against a roadblock all the enthusiasm in the world can’t budge: In a 50-50 Senate, with no margin for error, climate policy is subject to the veto of whoever the most conservative, most cautious Democratic senator happens to be. In this case, that person is West Virginia’s Joe Manchin, a canny coal-state power broker who sees green policy as bad for both his constituents and his electoral chances. He’s made clear he won’t vote for any spending bill that, in his view, will hurt the economy — while the Democrats require his vote for anything they do. And for that, Sunrise has had no answer.

Increasingly, the movement that seemed like the future of progressive politics has found itself at an impasse: attacked by pundits for impeding its own cause, wading into diffuse non-climate causes of the activist left, racked by internal conflict and out of options to deal with Manchin.

Now, Sunrise is faced with a question about how to move forward: embrace the idealistic side of its mission and keep hammering Biden — the president who’s on the verge of making more progress toward the climate agenda than any of his predecessors — for not going far enough, or embrace its pragmatic side and declare a partial victory whenever Congress passes its spending compromise?

By all indications, Sunrise is prepared to take the latter route. The White House hunger strike ended this week as Sunrise shifted gears to urge quick passage of the compromise bill. Sunrise’s leaders seem to recognize that an at least somewhat positive outlook may be necessary to keep youthful energy alive in a political world that seems to specialize in killing it.

In the wake of Biden releasing his framework for the spending bill last Thursday, the movement held a mass Zoom call, on which Prakash said: “I am sad that the pieces on climate, even though they are really significant, are not enough to put us on a path toward a livable future.” At the same time, she didn’t want to say that Sunrise’s efforts amounted to failure: “Everything that is good in this bill,” she added, “is because of movements like ours.”

“I’ll be honest,” Sunrise’s communications director Ellen Sciales said on the same call, “this was our best shot in a long time of passing federal policy at the scale of the crisis, and this past year has been really freaking hard.”

“Three-word chant! Three-word chant! Three-word chant!”

On a Sunday in late June, dozens of teenagers and twenty-somethings stood in church pews and repeated in unison an empty placeholder phrase — literally, “Three-word chant!” — as they pretended to hold signs in their hands and got coached on the best posture to be taken seriously (neither “slouched” nor “robotic”). The next day would be Sunrise’s first major protest against the Biden administration — an administration that Sunrise helped put in power and which it wanted to keep on its toes. The group had convened hundreds of activists from around the country to St. Stephen’s Episcopal Church in Washington to prepare.

Sunrise leaders don’t think of their movement as just another Extinction Rebellion, the youth environmental activist organization that, for example, in April dumped wheelbarrows full of cow poop outside the White House to protest Biden’s “bullshit” climate plan. Sunrise frames its protests as more than just noisemaking. “This is not a symbolic action,” Sunrise staffer Benjamin Finegan, who is 24, emphasized to the people gathered inside the church ahead of the planned protest in D.C. They should be prepared, Finegan warned, to remain outside the White House, where they would be divided into groups blocking each official entrance, “until our demands are met.”

The next evening, however, Sunrise leaders explained that they planned to end the protest as soon as some of their members got arrested, which they expected to happen. Before 5 p.m., about an hour after chickpea burgers were passed out, word spread that at one entrance, several Sunrisers had been removed by Secret Service. The hundreds at the various other entrances then picked themselves up and gathered at Lafayette Square to celebrate, where they were soon joined by the “arrested” group, who had been quickly released. “What we just did is f---ing amazing,” one Sunrise staffer shouted into a microphone. “We just shut down the White House!” It wasn’t clear that any of their demands had been met.

The political demands were supposed to be the whole point. In a book released last year, Prakash, Sunrise’s leader, wrote that Sunrise didn’t come up with the idea or phrase of a Green New Deal (versions of it have been batted around since as early as 2007), nor did they inspire “the largest numbers of people to take to the streets in recent years — Greta Thunberg and the Friday school strikers did that.” Instead, she wrote: “Sunrise’s unique contribution, where we have excelled, has been in taking the fight to the political arena, bringing some of these ideas to greater prominence in the mainstream. We’ve done this by combining a political savvy with a disciplined and fast-growing movement set on a clear goal.”

But a political strategy based almost entirely around electing and working with close political allies, or at least those deemed convincible, may not be so savvy when it finally comes down to governing...


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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby Newfie » Sat 06 Nov 2021, 09:09:18

OPINION ONLY

The Green New Deal would be very BAD for climate change because it supports the idea that we can build our way out of this mess. It is based on the forlorn hope that if we keep doing what got us here we can get out of here. It is the gamblers paradox, he gets in debt by loosing and then makes more bets to pay off his losses.

When you find yourself in a hole, first stop digging.

Any meaningful climate change legislation will have to come from the right. Some strong right wing leader will need to adopt climate change and bring his party along to the table. Those concerned with climate change would do better by finding and supporting Non-Progressives who can understand climate change.

The path to climate damage mitigation is naturally through CLASSICAL CONSERVATIVE measures; Repair, Reuse, Recycle. Do more with less. But this also needs to be mixed with some new adoption of old spiritual values of finding happiness and fulfillment from within.

Yes, this is a pipe dream.
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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby dissident » Sat 06 Nov 2021, 09:28:54

https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/source ... -emissions

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US CO2 emissions from transportation are showing no sign of decline since 1990. The transient decreases are clearly related to recessions. Where are all those hybrids and pure electrics that were supposed to usher in a green new era? Lots of hot air. Also, those electrical panaceas consume electricity generated by coal and gas power plants.

There is no sign of real change. Just lots of inane posturing and happy talk.
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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby yellowcanoe » Sat 06 Nov 2021, 11:22:17

dissident wrote:
US CO2 emissions from transportation are showing no sign of decline since 1990. The transient decreases are clearly related to recessions. Where are all those hybrids and pure electrics that were supposed to usher in a green new era? .


The population of the US has grown from 250 million in 1990 to 330 million now so decreases in per capita emissions have been negated by population growth. Same story in Canada -- progress in reducing emissions per capita have been negated by population growth.
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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby JuanP » Tue 09 Nov 2021, 07:52:09

"Chasm opens between COP26 words and climate action" AFP
https://news.yahoo.com/chasm-opens-betw ... ccounter=1

"End of coal?

On Wednesday, for instance, COP26 president Alok Sharma announced: "A 190-strong coalition has today agreed to phase out coal power".

Business Secretary Kwasi Kwarteng tweeted: "The end of coal is in sight."

The 190 figure was given to the media under embargo on Tuesday night, but a list of signatories was not released until the following day.

It contained only 77 new signatories, including 46 countries, on top of others that had already signed on to a previous alliance to end coal.

Out of these, COP26 organizers said 23 countries had issued new pledges to phase out coal during the summit, including major users South Korea and Vietnam.

But in the list of countries with new commitments obtained by AFP, 10 nations use no coal at all in their energy mix, according to data from the Ember climate think tank.

All told, national signatories to the COP26 coal pledge account for around 13 percent of global output."

I believe we just saved the biosphere from Global Warming and Climate Change! I am extremely happy for the younger generations. On this basis, I would like to do my bit for the planet by pledging never to fly in a private jet in the future.
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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby Tanada » Tue 09 Nov 2021, 15:15:59

JuanP wrote:"Chasm opens between COP26 words and climate action" AFP
https://news.yahoo.com/chasm-opens-betw ... ccounter=1

"End of coal?

On Wednesday, for instance, COP26 president Alok Sharma announced: "A 190-strong coalition has today agreed to phase out coal power".

Business Secretary Kwasi Kwarteng tweeted: "The end of coal is in sight."

The 190 figure was given to the media under embargo on Tuesday night, but a list of signatories was not released until the following day.

It contained only 77 new signatories, including 46 countries, on top of others that had already signed on to a previous alliance to end coal.

Out of these, COP26 organizers said 23 countries had issued new pledges to phase out coal during the summit, including major users South Korea and Vietnam.

But in the list of countries with new commitments obtained by AFP, 10 nations use no coal at all in their energy mix, according to data from the Ember climate think tank.

All told, national signatories to the COP26 coal pledge account for around 13 percent of global output."

I believe we just saved the biosphere from Global Warming and Climate Change! I am extremely happy for the younger generations. On this basis, I would like to do my bit for the planet by pledging never to fly in a private jet in the future.



From your link I believe this is the key quote.
Countries such as Australia and Saudi Arabia announced net-zero goals with "no plans to implement them and emissions going massively in the wrong direction," Simon Lewis, professor of global change science at University College London and the University of Leeds, told AFP.

"It's logical to take all pledges and convert them into a best estimate," he said.

"But you've got to take it with a huge pinch of salt and an enormous banner saying: Warning! This is unlikely to happen."

The UN says that the latest round of net-zero commitments will see emissions rise 13.7 percent by 2030. To be 1.5C compliant, they must fall 45 percent by then.


The political disconnect between the requirement for a 45% cut and the reality of a 13.7% increase is really all you need to know about government pledges and their impact on reality. For the last decade or longer the climate negotiators have been telling everyone that the prior goal of 2.0C temperature rise was unsurvivable for our civilization and that a 1.5C rise was the most we could survive. Yet in that same decade or more since the 1.5C goal became the main talking point basically nothing has been done. The Energywinde project in Germany is a morass of high costs and limited results. The American switch from burning Coal to Natural Gas was entirely driven by market forces caused by the glut of cheap Natural Gas unleashed by the massive fracking efforts that began for gas in 2006.

Today there are great many more ICE powered vehicles in the world than there were a decade ago, and those vehicles are predominantly fueled with Petroleum products. India, China, Indonesia, Turkey have all been rapidly expanding their coal fired electricity generating capacity. South Africa which was pressured into signing a coal reduction plan in 2014 is now planning to replace some very old existing coal facilities with brand new facilities designed to operate for 60 years or longer. I don't blame them the dreams of Solartopia have fallen far short of the reality and even government economists can figure out that countries with lower budget limits can make far more of their population energy secure by burning coal than by installing millions of solar panels that do not function well at night or in cloudy weather. In the USA the support for "renewables" is massively pushed by the fossil fuel industry, especially Natural Gas which supplies the "backup" power for when the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining. Solar rooftops are great for running A/C units during peak demand on sunny summer days but they stink at keeping you going on a cold cloudy winter day when the meager sunlight only arrives for 9 hours across the northern states.

People in Argentina, South Africa and Indonesia are just as smart as people in USA or Germany and they can all do the math for themselves. For those people, who make up on the order of 70% of the world population, who do not live in rich nations Coal is massively attractive if they have a local supply they can burn. It is fine for South Korea to pledge to eliminate coal, they are pretty well off and have a substantial nuclear fission component in their grid to rely upon. For South Africa or Indonesia where coal is abundant and western promises do not come with western checks that will pay for their transition the story has a very different timbre to it.
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