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European Union falling apart

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Re: European Union falling apart

Unread postby dissident » Fri 21 Aug 2020, 12:07:08

The EU is the result of a creeping bureaucratic power grab. Somehow a customs union and eventually currency union project became a political union project with no discussion of this for decades. Regulations and currency do not imply politics even if the two are obviously linked. The ridiculous referendums such as the one in Ireland held during the 1990s where the initial no vote was ignored until a yes vote was obtained say it all.

The no-representative political structure we see camped in Brussels is a natural result of this non-democratic and non-transparent process to form a political union. The lack of actual union functionality as we saw in the case of the financial crisis in Greece highlights this as well. It is a con job to the core. The UK got out since it got sick and tired of being dictated by the clowns in Brussels.

But there was a lot of resistance in the UK to Brexit. The EU project serves some interests very well.
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Re: European Union falling apart

Unread postby argyle » Tue 09 Feb 2021, 09:41:34

Why the UK left the EU..

From my point of view, they have never been really part of it.. and resentment to EU was fueled by the UK Political class as a scapegoat. A lot of good regulation comes out of Brussels (tackling issue across an entire economic/political area, which one country on it's own could not have done), however if UK Politicians always blame the EU, and never defend it's benefits then you foster an atmosphere where people long back to the "British Empire" or the "good old day'" (although they might not have been better, just different).

Next to that, the vote was very tight and I wonder if it (referendum) would be the same result now that the deal is "known" (although the full impact not yet), at the same time, a lot of Europeans are glad there is finally more clarity (since Thatcher negotiated special rules for the UK specifically, which was an error I think).

God did not put all the English on an island for nothing.. (we have a saying)
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Re: European Union falling apart

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 09 Feb 2021, 15:54:14

argyle wrote: A lot of good regulation comes out of Brussels (tackling issue across an entire economic/political area, which one country on it's own could not have done)


And a lot of bad regulation comes out of the EU, forcing rules on people that are very inappropriate to their local circumstances.

argyle wrote:...the vote was very tight and I wonder if it (referendum) would be the same result now


The EU has now pretty much disgraced itself by its incompetence and failure to arrange for vaccines for the people of the EU. The EU has even been trying to steal vaccines already purchased by the UK.....something that was not appreciated by the Brits.

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