ralfy wrote:Wind and solar have low energy returns.
ROCKMAN wrote:I haven't seen the answer so Capt. Obvious to the rescue: PO does not mean ZERO OIL PRODUCTION.
Rockman wrote: Neither in the US or in the oil exporting nations. And no: I'm not going to post the meaning of "peak oil". If anyone does not know it then they have no business on this sight IMHO.
mustang19 wrote:Dumb thread.
mustang19 wrote:Oil produces oil, so lack of ways to produce oil will result in a surplus- until that runs down and by that point oil will be competing with wood and other cheap energy.
AdamB wrote:ralfy wrote:Wind and solar have low energy returns.
Thank goodness that doesn't seem to matter in the least.
Outcast_Searcher wrote:AdamB wrote:ralfy wrote:Wind and solar have low energy returns.
Thank goodness that doesn't seem to matter in the least.
OTOH, wind turbines and solar cells can produce more and more of them EVERY week. (Unlike fossil fuels, which once gone, aren't replaced for thousands to millions of years). But let's not talk about THAT.
Outcast_Searcher wrote:AdamB wrote:ralfy wrote:Wind and solar have low energy returns.
Thank goodness that doesn't seem to matter in the least.
OTOH, wind turbines and solar cells can produce more and more of them EVERY week. (Unlike fossil fuels, which once gone, aren't replaced for thousands to millions of years). But let's not talk about THAT.
mustang19 wrote:Already talked about all those things... manufacturers lied, wind turbines do not last.
OutcastPhilosopher wrote:Hey moron....guess what you need to make wind turbines and solar cells?....fossil fuels!!!
ralfy wrote:That's why I use the ignore function, as there's no point to discuss such matters even on the basic level to ignoramuses.
ralfy wrote:But there's no need to ban such users, as they're still useful for comic relief.
AdamB wrote:Me? I listen to all sides
AdamB wrote:OutcastPhilosopher wrote:Hey moron....guess what you need to make wind turbines and solar cells?....fossil fuels!!!
No. You need the ability to do work. Humans do that with plenty of things that aren't fossil fuels. It's just, man, we LIKE THOSE FOSSIL FUELS!
So, we know you have no experience with economists, or the fiscal/financial world, or math and statistics, and your logic has been REAL sketchy as demonstrated by a propensity to fall for every nutter conspiracy that catches your eye, and you claim to be quite young (and therefore expectedly uninformed about the world at large) so I am forced to ask, do you know the difference between raw material inputs and the systems and processes that use them to crank out consumer products?
The beauty of fossil fuels is that we aren't running out anytime soon, and they allow us to do LOADS of work rather cheaply. And, as you can see by examining the use of coal in the US, growth in their continued use is not a requirement for continuing to build out the next generation of electrical generation. Can you enunciate any idea you have as to why this trend won't continue, one fossil fuel at a time, until fossil fuels are a minority input into the ability of humans to do work, rather than a majority?
OutcastPhilosopher wrote:Just because I am younger than the boomer crowd means nothing. Age is no metric in determining knowledge or experience.
mousepad wrote:AdamB wrote:Me? I listen to all sides
Now that is simply not true. You're shouting the other sides out of the room with your must-be-right-at-all-cost attitude.
JuanP wrote:OutcastPhilosopher wrote:Just because I am younger than the boomer crowd means nothing. Age is no metric in determining knowledge or experience.
Age is a metric for intelligence, though, with human intelligence peaking around the age of 23 to 25 years old. So, you are closer to your intelligence peak than most of the rest of us here. I am smart and honest enough to have absolutely no problem admitting that I was smarter 25 years ago than I am today. I was also more intellectually capable back then in almost every way, but I do consider myself more experienced today. Experience and old age do not necessarily make a person better in any way, though, they just mean you are older. Thinking old age makes you better in any way is just plain stupid! Unfortunately, human stupidity may be the only infinite thing in this universe.
Carpe diem!
OutcastPhilosopher wrote:AdamB wrote:OutcastPhilosopher wrote:Hey moron....guess what you need to make wind turbines and solar cells?....fossil fuels!!!
Can you enunciate any idea you have as to why this trend won't continue, one fossil fuel at a time, until fossil fuels are a minority input into the ability of humans to do work, rather than a majority?
Hey retard....if you want solar and wind you need fossil fuels. Try making solar panels and wind turbines without it. See how many you can make. See if you can transport them cross country or across nations without fossil fuels. Guess what you can't.
OutcastPhilosopher wrote:Of course humans can do work without fossil fuels, but without them, we return to an existence akin to 1850 or prior and at that time there were no solar panels and wind turbines. See the chart below regarding oil production and human population. Therefore, your statement regarding that is highly misinformed. To continue industrial civilization fossil fuels are essential, especially oil, and without them the system breaks down and the ability to do work by humans will decrease. One barrel of oil has the energy equivalent of 23,000 man hours.
OutcastPhilosopher wrote:Just because I am younger than the boomer crowd means nothing. Age is no metric in determining knowledge or experience.
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