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The Keystone (XL) Pipeline Pt 2

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Re: The Keystone (XL) Pipeline Pt 2

Unread postby jawagord » Tue 31 Mar 2020, 08:17:14

Alberta government invests in KXL. Construction to commence next month?

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Re: The Keystone (XL) Pipeline Pt 2

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Wed 01 Apr 2020, 13:25:53

jawagord - Thanks for the update. And now to confuse the situation. There will be a new border crossing pipeline: KXL. But they already have a border crossing pipeline: the Keystone Pipeline System. It's far to the east of the new proposed crossing. That existing crossing had its capacity increased (with President Obama's approval) and a new pipeline extended southward: remember all the uproar from the Native Americans because it was going to go under a reservoir CLOSE to the reservation...not on reservation. It duplicated an existing pipeline following the same route. Had the original border crossing been approved by President Obama that huge new pipeline (including the capacity increase of the existing border crossing line) would not have been built. To long to explain the reality of the situation. Probably news fact to you and 99% of all Americans because the MSM didn't want to advertise President Obama's hand in the process. Really had to study the facts in great detail to understand the situation. I explained the details on this site at the time. For what it was worth...not much since to much tech for the average member here.

Go to TC Energy site and pull up interactive maps and the situation will become much clearer.
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Re: The Keystone (XL) Pipeline Pt 2

Unread postby jawagord » Wed 01 Apr 2020, 16:56:44

Wikipedia has a good summary of the Keystone pipeline projects (Phase 1 - 4). The original pipeline was a conversion of a gas line to oil which helps explain the indirect routing. George W. gave the presidential permit for Phase 1. Phase 2 and 3a+3b look like all USA projects which wouldn't need presidential approval, Phase 4 did and didn't get it. I don't know if BHO had a hand in some capacity increase approvals as you allude to, we do know what he didn't approve and for that, his name will forever be MUDD in Alberta, right up there with Justin's father in our hall of infamy.

February 9, 2005 TransCanada Corporation proposed the project.[22]

October 2007 The Communications, Energy and Paperworkers Union of Canada asked the Canadian federal government to block regulatory approvals for the pipeline, with union president Dave Coles stating "the Keystone pipeline will exclusively serve US markets, create a permanent employment for very few Canadians, reduce our energy security, and hinder investment and job creation in the Canadian energy sector."[24]

September 21, 2007 The National Energy Board of Canada approved the construction of the Canadian section of the pipeline, including converting a portion of TransCanada's Canadian Mainline gas pipeline to crude oil pipeline, on September 21, 2007.[23]

'March 17, 2008 During the final year of the Presidency of George W. Bush, the United States Department of State issued a Presidential Permit authorizing the construction, maintenance and operation of facilities at the United States and Canada border.[25]

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Re: The Keystone (XL) Pipeline Pt 2

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Thu 09 Apr 2020, 16:42:31

This is from the Alberta government's propaganda War Room.
As a producer primarily of heavy oil and synthetic oil derived from the oil sands, Canada has a unique opportunity in this market, says Phil Skolnick, analyst with Eight Capital.

“Most of the demand globally where the growth is happening is actually on the heavy oil side [including synthetic oil],” Skolnick says.

That’s largely because of new oil-based petrochemical projects in Asia. Eight Capital research found that over the next five years, approximately 3.2 million barrels per day of additional heavy and medium oil demand will come online as a result. Canada’s current oil sands production is approximately 3 million barrels per day.

“The increase in petrochemical demand is partly driven by electric vehicles because those are largely made of plastic. China wants to also be the leader in polyester exports, so that requires petrochemicals. All these things really require the heavy barrels because of components that just are not in light oil,” Skolnick says.

They are trying to promote bitumen as a premium product, despite it's much higher CO2 emissions.

Is anyone else saying this about heavy oil?
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Re: The Keystone (XL) Pipeline Pt 2

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Thu 09 Apr 2020, 17:27:24

They are trying to promote bitumen as a premium product, despite it's much higher CO2 emissions.


not really, they are suggesting that heavy oil or bitumen as you refer to it is a necessary product for various petrochemical end products. It cannot be replaced by lighter fractions so the emissions associated is neither here nor there. That heavy oil is also required by US LTO producers who wish to sell to US refineries as it is the only means of getting the blend that meets refinery specs. So a 50/50 blend of CAD heavy with US LTO negates any real differences noted in emissions by the time a barrel is received at the refinery.
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Re: The Keystone (XL) Pipeline Pt 2

Unread postby jawagord » Thu 16 Apr 2020, 09:35:33

Obama nominated judge strikes again. This time Morris’s ruling may have unintended consequences on other projects.
Judge Brian Morris said the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers failed to adequately consider effects on endangered species such as pallid sturgeon, a massive, dinosaur-like fish that lives in rivers the pipeline would cross.
The ruling, however, does not shut down work that has begun at the U.S.-Canada border crossing in Montana, according to attorneys in the case. Pipeline sponsor TC Energy will need the permit for future construction across hundreds of rivers and streams along Keystone's 1,200-mile (1,930-kilometre) route.

The Keystone authorization came under a so-called nationwide permit issued by the Corps in 2017, essentially giving blanket approval to pipeline or similar utility projects with minimal effects on waterways.
The cancellation could have broader implications because it appears to invalidate dredging work for any project authorized under the 2017 permit, said attorney Jared Margolis with the Center for Biological Diversity, another plaintiff in the case. It's unclear what projects would be included.



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Re: The Keystone (XL) Pipeline Pt 2

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Thu 16 Apr 2020, 10:09:55

jaw - The increase in pipeline capacity required no physical work to the border crossing section. But did require approval of President Obama. Good luck searching for confirmation. IMHO the MSM did all it could to avoid letting the public know about it.
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Re: The Keystone (XL) Pipeline Pt 2

Unread postby jawagord » Thu 16 Apr 2020, 12:27:30

ROCKMAN wrote:jaw - The increase in pipeline capacity required no physical work to the border crossing section. But did require approval of President Obama. Good luck searching for confirmation. IMHO the MSM did all it could to avoid letting the public know about it.


Maybe it happened like this?

Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel: Okay, sir, uh, you sign this top form, then initial all the rest.

President Obama : Initial, Rahm?

Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel : Oh, yes, sir. Your initials signify that instead of signing, you initialed. Uh, then you have to sign this form, which states that you merely initialed the forms that required signing. Then after you've signed, you put your initial where you signed so that people will know that you okayed your signature with your initial.

President Obama : Rahm, tell me the truth. Do you understand any of this?

Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel : Uh, I try not to, sir. It slows up the work.
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Re: The Keystone (XL) Pipeline Pt 2

Unread postby jawagord » Mon 06 Jul 2020, 14:28:47

As predicted another pipeline bites the dust. And it’s gas pipeline to boot. Apparently one term of Trump is not enough to rid the circuit courts of judicial activism, woe be the pipeline business if Crazy Joe gets elected.

The $8 billion, 600-mile Atlantic Coast Pipeline is dead.
Dominion Energy Inc. and Duke Energy Corp. are canceling the project because of continuing court delays likely to drive the price tag higher. That would threaten the economic viability of the project, they say.

“This announcement reflects the increasing legal uncertainty that overhangs large-scale energy and industrial infrastructure development in the United States,” say Dominion CEO Tom Farrell and Duke CEO Lynn Good in a joint statement. “Until these issues are resolved, the ability to satisfy the country’s energy needs will be significantly challenged.”

Duke and Dominion specifically cite the April decision by a federal judge in Montana that vacated a key water permit for the controversial Keystone XL pipeline issued by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.

Known as a Nationwide Permit 12, the permission to cross water bodies and wetlands was issued under an expedited process also used to permit the ACP. A decision by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals at the end of May allowing the order to stand until it is heard on the merits threatened to delay the Duke and Dominion project for at least a year.

“The Montana district court decision is also likely to prompt similar challenges in other Circuits related to permits issued under the nationwide program including for ACP,” Duke and Dominion say in their joint press release.

The partners note that appeals court indicated an appeal is not likely to be successful in the Keystone case, creating “new and serious challenges.” “The potential for a Supreme Court stay of the district court’s injunction would not ultimately change the judicial venue for appeal nor decrease the uncertainty associated with an eventual ruling,” the release says.


The cancellation also recognizes the reality that the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals has consistently ruled against the pipeline on every challenge to various permits that have come before it to date. 

Duke and Dominion won an important decision just three weeks ago when the U.S. Supreme Court overruled the 4th Circuit on a decision that had blocked a permit to build the project under the Appalachian Trail. But the companies acknowledge the possibility of future court delays.

The day after winning the Supreme Court case, Duke and Dominion filed a petition with the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission to extend the deadline for completing the project. The deadline in FERC’s original certification in 2017 expires in October. Sixteen environmental groups and two private owners filed a challenge to that petition on July 2.



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Re: The Keystone (XL) Pipeline Pt 2

Unread postby Subjectivist » Tue 07 Jul 2020, 18:59:27

Sure, consumers have to pay more and the political activists will blame it all on greedy corporations when NIMBY is the real cause.
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Re: The Keystone (XL) Pipeline Pt 2

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Re: The Keystone (XL) Pipeline Pt 2

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 09 Jun 2021, 21:01:36

aadbrd wrote:This seems like capitulation.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/09/energy/k ... index.html


Yup.

Biden has successfully blocked the pipeline from Canada to the US because it would contribute to climate change.

But, Biden also facilitated the Russia to Germany, even though it will contribute to climate change.

I wonder why the difference?

Did Biden forgot about climate change when he flip flopped US policy to allow the Russia-to-Germany oil pipeline?

Did Putin pay off Biden (or pay off Hunter---same thing)? We know Hunter got 3 million dollars from a Russian oligarch....maybe that was the bribe to get Joe Biden to drop US opposition to the Russian pipeline.

Or is Biden just a total wimp and so afraid of Putin that he capitulated and cow-towed to Putin even before their summit meeting?

Personally....I think its probably a combination of all three....Biden Is a senile fool who doesn't know what he's doing...the Biden's are compromised by the money they've taken from Russian oligarchs, AND Biden is a wimp and afraid of Putin so he just caved in to Putin before their upcoming summit to show he won't block an oil pipeline if thats what Russia wants.

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Re: The Keystone (XL) Pipeline Pt 2

Unread postby Mustang » Sat 05 Feb 2022, 17:11:54

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Re: The Keystone (XL) Pipeline Pt 2

Unread postby Tanada » Tue 11 Jul 2023, 11:54:06

Biden admin quietly admits canceling Keystone XL Pipeline cost thousands of jobs, billions of dollars

The Biden administration published a congressionally mandated report highlighting the positive economic benefits the Keystone XL Pipeline would have had if President Biden didn't revoke its federal permits.

The report, which the Department of Energy (DOE) completed in late December without any public announcement, says the Keystone XL project would have created between 16,149 and 59,000 jobs and would have had a positive economic impact of between $3.4-9.6 billion, citing various studies. A previous report from the federal government published in 2014 determined 3,900 direct jobs and 21,050 total jobs would be created during construction which was expected to take two years.

But immediately after taking office in January 2021, Biden canceled the pipeline's permits, effectively shutting the project down.

"The Biden administration finally owned up to what we have known all along — killing the Keystone XL Pipeline cost good-paying jobs, hurt Montana’s economy and was the first step in the Biden administration’s war on oil and gas production in the United States," Sen. Steve Daines. R-Mont., said Thursday in a statement. "Unfortunately, the administration continues to pursue energy production anywhere but the United States."

"These policies may appeal to the woke left but hurt Montana’s working families," he continued. "I’ll keep fighting back against Biden’s anti-energy agenda and supporting Montana energy projects and jobs."

The DOE was forced to issue the report after Daines and Sen. Jim Risch, R-Idaho, successfully inserted a bill mandating the report into the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act Biden signed into law in November 2021. The agency was required to publish the report within 90 days of the bill's passage but ultimately waited more than a year before releasing it.

In a statement Thursday, the DOE noted that the project would have had minimal permanent job impacts, but didn't mention the thousands of jobs that were estimated during the construction of the pipeline.

"The U.S. Department of Energy released a report evaluating existing analysis on economic and job effects of the XL portion of Keystone pipeline," the DOE told Fox News Digital. "It concluded there were limited job impacts, with approximately 50 permanent jobs estimated to have been created were the pipeline operational."

Biden's decision to cancel the pipeline has received widespread criticism from Republican lawmakers and energy industry representatives who have argued it would have helped keep gas prices down and ensure energy security.

Keystone XL had been slated to be completed early this year and transport an additional 830,000 barrels of crude oil from Canada to the U.S. through an existing pipeline network, according to its operator, TC Energy.

The project labor agreement that TC Energy signed in August 2020 with four labor unions promised the pipeline would create 42,000 American jobs and provide $2 billion in total wages.

TC Energy ultimately gave up on the project in June 2021 as a result of Biden's decision. Last year, a federal judge tossed a legal challenge from nearly two dozen states asking the court to reinstate the pipeline's permits.

"The Department of Energy finally admitted to the worst-kept secret about the Keystone Pipeline: President Biden’s decision to cancel the Keystone XL Pipeline sacrificed thousands of American jobs," Risch said Thursday.

The Keystone XL Pipeline would have created up to 59,000 jobs and had a positive economic impact of up to $9.6 billion, according to the Department of Energy.

"To make matters worse, his decision moved the U.S. further away from energy independence and lower gas prices at a time when inflation and gas prices are drastically impacting Americans’ pocketbooks," he added.

"The president must turn to American-made energy and jobs rather than dictators and despots to fix the energy crisis he created on his first day in office."

The White House didn't immediately respond to a request for comment.


To make matters even worse;

Keystone pipeline faces new rules after major oil spill

Oil spills along the Keystone pipeline that runs from Canada to Texas have become more frequent and severe, prompting stricter regulations for a 1,200-mile stretch of the pipeline, a federal agency said on Tuesday.

TC Energy, the company that operates the Keystone pipeline, must lower the operating pressure for crude oil on the targeted stretch, which makes up nearly half of the pipeline, the agency said.

"We are currently reviewing the Amended Corrective Action Order (ACAO) issued by the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration," TC Energy said in a statement to ABC News. "Our commitment to the safe operations of our system is unwavering, and we will comply with the ACAO. The Keystone Pipeline System has been operating under operational mitigations, within the pressure restrictions applied in the PHMSA ACAO, since it was returned to service."

The federal order follows a major pipeline rupture on Dec. 7 near Washington, Kansas, a town at the state's northern border with Nebraska, where about 13,000 barrels or 550,000 gallons of crude oil spilled from the Keystone pipeline, the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration said.

The pipeline failure occurred at a girth weld, a point that adjoins two pipes, the agency said.

Since 2009, the Keystone pipeline has experienced three failures at girth welds and at least three additional accidents that occurred for other reasons, the agency said. In all, those accidents resulted in spills totaling about 25,200 barrels of crude oil, the agency said.

Operation of the pipeline under current procedures "is or would be hazardous to life, property, or the environment," the agency said.

In a statement to ABC News, TC Energy said it is investigating and addressing the issues with the pipeline following the accident in December.

"We continue to progress our remediation and the root cause investigation at our Keystone Milepost-14 incident site in Washington County, Kansas," the company said. "Our commitment to the safe operations of our system is unwavering."

The Keystone pipeline runs from oil sand fields in Alberta, Canada through the midwestern U.S. to oil refineries in Texas.

The Keystone XL pipeline, a proposed 1,179-mile pipeline mirroring the Keystone pipeline, shuttered after President Joe Biden canceled the pipeline's border crossing permit in January 2021, days after taking office.

The move was applauded by environmental groups but drew sharp criticism from some Republican lawmakers, who decried the move for placing an unnecessary restriction on the U.S. oil supply.

Oil production in the U.S. in 2021 was nearly identical to that seen over the final year of the Trump administration, in 2020, and greater than the amount produced in 2017 or 2018, according to data from the Energy Information Administration, a federal agency.


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Re: The Keystone (XL) Pipeline Pt 2

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 11 Jul 2023, 13:42:45

“Elections have consequences.”

Patronage being one of them.
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Re: The Keystone (XL) Pipeline Pt 2

Unread postby AdamB » Tue 11 Jul 2023, 13:53:24

Newfie wrote:“Elections have consequences.”
Patronage being one of them.

And keeping it out of the hands of traitors another.
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Re: The Keystone (XL) Pipeline Pt 2

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 11 Jul 2023, 14:11:58

One mans traitor is another’s patriot.

All depends on your point of view.

I would point to any one who argues against accepting the electoral decision as a traitor. I don’t mean challenging the count within reasonable measure, but one who then refuses to accept the decision.

Thus Trump and those who join him in disavowing the election are a problem.

But so are the “Not MY President” crowd.

What they have in common is arguing for Civil War. That is a very high bar for me to cross. Might get there some day but no where close now.
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Re: The Keystone (XL) Pipeline Pt 2

Unread postby AdamB » Tue 11 Jul 2023, 15:05:42

Newfie wrote:One mans traitor is another’s patriot.

Yup. Good thing we American's don't care what the Brits think of George Washington but might be a little bit leery of those who have already tried to interfere with an American national election.
Newfie wrote:All depends on your point of view.

Sure...and facts, testimony under oath, calls to action by a traitor himself, the traitors helpers fessing up, etc etc. So while points of view can be absolutely personal, facts tend to be a little trickier to avoid even by points of view.
Newfie wrote:I would point to any one who argues against accepting the electoral decision as a traitor.

I wouldn't. More like a sore loser, blowhard, etc etc. I'm betting you could find someone who has argued against every American election since the Civil War...doesn't make them a traitor. Just...opinionated.
Newfie wrote:I don’t mean challenging the count within reasonable measure, but one who then refuses to accept the decision.

Nah. I'll bet KKK Grand Wizards refused to accept the outcome of 2008 and 2012 elections. Doesn't make them a traitor, just opinionated. And wrong of course, but to them, their opinion is of highly value than all the facts in evidence.
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Thus Trump and those who join him in disavowing the election are a problem.

Certainly a problem, but at the head of it all is a single traitor. Surrounded by sycophants.
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What they have in common is arguing for Civil War. That is a very high bar for me to cross. Might get there some day but no where close now.

I think a modern US Civil War is difficult to pull off. A divided civilian population is one thing, and has been with us since the last Civil War, but nowadays you'd need the military itself to split I think, and begin taking their training and equipment with them. Otherwise, whichever side controls a united military has a pretty big trump (no, not the traitor) card.
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