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Re: Predicted Oil Collapse Underway...

Unread postby C8 » Sat 16 May 2020, 21:20:52

rockdoc123 wrote:anybodies guess is probably the answer as there are lots of moving parts to the equation.
I think the weekly EIA report should be a decent guide to how much is being produced. Demand will come back slowly I would expect but with things opening up and there still being most of the summer driving season ahead of us we might see gasoline supplies start to decrease at which point the refineries increase their throughput and the overall supply of oil starts to drop further.
I think the rate of demand increase is probably going to be the driver here which will be helped along by lower production.


thanks again for the reply, you are a real resource. I have heard more people will be driving this summer to avoid airlines so, hopefully, demand will perk up. The great thing about big oil price changes is that they usually create such a dramatic industry reaction that its not uncommon for prices to rebound to the other extreme from where they were as too much production goes offline.
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Re: Predicted Oil Collapse Underway...

Unread postby REAL Green » Tue 26 May 2020, 07:18:12

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Re: Predicted Oil Collapse Underway...

Unread postby BrianC » Tue 26 May 2020, 14:57:45

that is a local file location we cannot see the file
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Re: Predicted Oil Collapse Underway...

Unread postby REAL Green » Wed 27 May 2020, 02:03:41

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Re: Predicted Oil Collapse Underway...

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Tue 02 Jun 2020, 08:45:37

C8 - So true. For those unable to search historical price charts: the current price "collapse" is the 9th since 1970.
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Re: Predicted Oil Collapse Underway...

Unread postby JuanP » Tue 02 Jun 2020, 16:18:17

C8 "I have heard more people will be driving this summer to avoid airlines ..."

More people will be driving private cars than ever before, not only to avoid planes, but to avoid buses, trains, trolleys, minibuses, taxis, Uber rides, cruise ships, and the infrastructure related to them; ports, airports, bus stops, stations, etc.. People will also be more reluctant to share rides on their cars, too. Both vacations and commutes will change, at least temporarily. Add to that very low gas prices, and I expect an increase in car driving, with, maybe, a negative adjustment for increased unemployment. Traffic in Miami already is almost as bad as it ever was, but there are very few planes in the sky.
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Re: Predicted Oil Collapse Underway...

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Fri 05 Jun 2020, 13:44:42

JuanP wrote:C8 "I have heard more people will be driving this summer to avoid airlines ..."

More people will be driving private cars than ever before, not only to avoid planes, but to avoid buses, trains, trolleys, minibuses, taxis, Uber rides, cruise ships, and the infrastructure related to them; ports, airports, bus stops, stations, etc.. People will also be more reluctant to share rides on their cars, too. Both vacations and commutes will change, at least temporarily. Add to that very low gas prices, and I expect an increase in car driving, with, maybe, a negative adjustment for increased unemployment. Traffic in Miami already is almost as bad as it ever was, but there are very few planes in the sky.

Yup. "Stupid" and volatile as the markets can be in the short run, they notice such data points, and they react. With WTI pushing $40 today, I'm sure that's part of the reason.

Very BAD news for AGW, pollution, etc, of course. But rather good news for the auto sector, the oil sector, etc. For younger folks in cities, owning a car vs. taking a ride from a random Uber driver suddenly has a different risk profile, as well, unless and until the perception is that COVID-19 is truly a thing of the past, re meaningful risk.

Of course, much more work from home might happen for those with office type jobs COULD become a thing, and long term. Lots of uncertainty given conflicting forces and trends. Of course, trying to handicap those is what makes markets (and price volatility).

I think it's too early to say whether mass transit takes a long term hit, assuming COVID-19 gets a solid resolution (say fairly long term immunity (years) from a reliable vaccine or three within a few years). Will youth and aversion to cars, or aversion to germs prevail?

Opinions are mixed about how much long term behavior change we see re things like hand washing, aversion to germs in public, etc. by the masses, re articles I've read on the subject, after COVID-19 cranked up.
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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