Cog wrote:Greta has influenced people alright. Just not in the way that climate activist think.
The most prestigious scientific journal in the world
The most prestigious scientific journal in the world
In whose opinion? Yours?
No....in the opinion of people who study the prestige and importance of scientific journals.![]()
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Why do I have to explain even the simplest things to you?
Nature (and Science) have a long great history, going back to the 19th century, of publishing extremely important and groundbreaking scientific papers.
When you look at the numbers on rejection rates, NATURE and SCIENCE are the most difficult scientific journals to get a paper into, because so many scientists around the world are trying to get their very best work into these journals.
3. Another quantitative way to measure the importance of the papers published in journals is to look at what is called the citation index or impact factor, i.e. how many other scientists read those articles and then cite them in their own papers. NATURE has been ranked the #1 journal in terms of the number of citations of journal articles, and this numerical criteria indicates papers published in Nature and Science are the most important papers being published in science, i.e. they are the most influential papers in science as shown by the fact that they are cited more often then those in any other journal.
I know from your comments in another thread that you think journals published for particular disciplines like the "Mud Loggers Gazette" are just as prestigious as SCIENCE and NATURE, but the numbers don't lie. When you look at submission and rejection numbers and the impact factor calculations it is clear your point of view is not supported by the data
The accolades continue to roll in for Greta Thunberg from all areas of society.....she's been named one of the top 10 people in Science for 2019 by the prestigious science journal NATURE and person of the the year for middle-brow TIME magazine and now Game Changer of the Year by GQ---a UK men's magazine.
At any rate, it's terribly disappointing to see that a journal that used to be good – although it has played no role in my interest in science whatsoever – chooses way over 50% of its "best scientists" according to some extremist political or identity politics criteria. The individuals at Nature who are responsible for this outrageous page are harmful agents and should be treated as harmful agents.
Greta Thunberg... doesn't really surprise us. She is the role model for everything that is bad about the interactions between science and the general society in 2019. She is a whining spoiled brat who refuses to go to school and who is correspondingly scientifically illiterate because of that and who, with quite some success, persuades other people that her hateful hysterical outbursts may compensate for her laziness and caution. She is the exact opposite of a young person who is close to science. Every teenager who does at least 10% of the things that Greta does should be spanked for several hours so that he cannot sit on his bottom for a week.
reflecting scientific facts. Climate Change deniers like to pretend that Greta isn't accurately presenting the science of climate change, but in reality Greta has received several signifiant awards for accurately presenting the science of climate change
...horseshit....
She claimed that as a result of climate change: "People are suffering, people are dying.....” Which is complete claptrap.
There are no ecosystems collapsing due to climate change that I'm aware of....
She claimed: "We are in the beginning of a mass extinction…” there is zero evidence for that viewpoint.
She has stated that a warming of 1.5 degrees C will result in "irreversible chain reactions beyond human control" which again is not substantiated anywhere in the literature.
Please help us out here.
Your potty mouth is overflowing again. Please flush.
For example, you must've missed all the news about the massive forest fires and the people evacuating and suffering and dying in places like Australia and California. These fires are a global phenomena, with some huge fires occurring right there in Canada. These extraordinary fires are a product of years of drought drying out the forests compounded with unprecedented heat waves, i.e. they are a product of climate change.
Here we utilize a satellite-based “active fire” (AF) product to statistically analyze 2001–2015 variability and trends in Australian fire activity and link this to precipitation and large‐scale atmospheric structures (namely, the El Niño–Southern Oscillation (ENSO) and the Indian Ocean Dipole (IOD)) known to have potential for predicting fire activity in different regions. It is found that Australian fire activity is decreasing (during summer (December–February)) or stable, with high temporal and spatial variability.
There are a very large number of scientific papers and reports coming out all the time about various ecosystems that are collapsing. Here in Alaska the disappearing sea in the Arctic is having devastating effects on large marine sea-going mammals like walrus and polar bears-
None of the changes caused by climate change are subject to human control. For instance, consider the fact that as the planet warms glaciers are going to melt and sea level is going to rise. That is a chain reaction that is not subject to human control, right? As the planet warms the atmosphere can hold more water. Again...not subject to human control, right? etc. etc. So Greta is 100% right in her statement
I don't know how you could've missed the huge numbers of scientific papers and news articles about the huge numbers of extinctions going on right now
Here...let me help you. Check out this report from the UN:
. I’ve shown several of her statements that are basically farcical with regards to the research. You seem to spend an inordinate amount of time fawning over a 16-year-old with questionable science background so it should be easy for you to point out exactly what science of climate change she has accurately presented. I’m sure you have memorized all of her speeches and likely repeat them to yourself at night so this should be easy.Greta has received several significant awards for accurately presenting the science of climate change
dissident wrote:Nature is pandering to cultural Trotskyism with its identity politics.
dissident wrote: It seems that G. Thunberg is being converted into some sort of climate authority. This is patent nonsense. At most she is a tool to hijack the voice of actual climate scientists. ...Any public decision process that is founded on hysteria is a disaster in progress. And don't forget that throughout history the "good" has always been a fig leaf motive for anything and everything including the Inquisition and the gulags.
Plantagenet wrote:NATURE is concerned about Climate Change, and the science of Climate change has absolutely nothing to do with "identity politics" or with "cultural Trotskyism," whatever that is. NATURE named Greta one of the top 10 in science for 2019 because she has galvanized a worldwide youth movement asking that government bodies pay attention to the climate scientists and their concerns about global warming.
EnergyUnlimited wrote:... in general I do not believe that much will come out of these debates.
Without Chinese, Indians and Americans on board entire undertaking is meaningless.
Even if one day all Swedes have committed suicide to save the Earth, there won't be even a meaningful dent in global GHG emissions.
All what we need to change our habits is financial and preferably economic, monetary and societal collapse.
Without that BAU is the only way.
EnergyUnlimited wrote:Plantagenet wrote:NATURE is concerned about Climate Change, and the science of Climate change has absolutely nothing to do with "identity politics" or with "cultural Trotskyism," whatever that is. NATURE named Greta one of the top 10 in science for 2019 because she has galvanized a worldwide youth movement asking that government bodies pay attention to the climate scientists and their concerns about global warming.
There is a contest between Nature and Nature.
Nature is calling for recognition of Greta and Nature is calling for an increase of entropy, the faster the better...
PS. Greta's far left background made a climate change debate even more politicized than it already was.
But in general I do not believe that much will come out of these debates.
Without Chinese, Indians and Americans on board entire undertaking is meaningless.
Even if one day all Swedes have committed suicide to save the Earth, there won't be even a meaningful dent in global GHG emissions.
All what we need to change our habits is financial and preferably economic, monetary and societal collapse.
Without that BAU is the only way.
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