[Newfie]

Clif,

I always find it better to challenge Cog to explain his position. You still make your point without sinking to the level of personal attacks. And he occasionally comes up with a good point.

As in:

Cog said:

Her and her Antifa parents dream about the day of putting people against walls and executing them.

Cog you got some proof to back up this statement?

[EnergyUnlimited]

Cog said:

Her and her Antifa parents dream about the day of putting people against walls and executing them.

Cog you got some proof to back up this statement?

Newfie,
As a distant observer I am confident that there will be some blood on american streets due to politics.
The question is only *when* and IMO it will be within next 5-6 years, possibly even next year around election time.
I am not sure if it will be full blown civil war or only strings of murders due to political unrest compounded by murders committed by responding police but there will be some blood. Possibly much more than "some".
United States are now divided into a range of groups busy with hating each other and mechanisms which was allowing in the past pressure release are now all but dysfunctional.

[Newfie]

EU,

That’s entirely possible. I’ve thought it would be brought about by a financial crisis but the hate is so strong it might happen in the meantime. Who knows.

That said we retain our townhouse, rented out, in Philadelphia. We physically are out of the USA 10 months a year either in Canada or the Caribbean. I’ve NO desire to return to the USA except as necessary. The environment is toxic.

If it does hit the fan I expect riots in the major cities. And our house will be at risk, no doubt. Too many variables to make any useful predictions.

[Ibon]

We physically are out of the USA 10 months a year either in Canada or the Caribbean. I’ve NO desire to return to the USA except as necessary. The environment is toxic.

You really only begin to fully understand that toxicity when you are outside of it in another country where the polarity isn't happening.

It's a shame Americans only get 2 weeks holiday and are forced to use most of it for family affairs and fixing their homes. They remain woefully ignorant of the malaise that has gripped the country because they can never step outside and see what is going on in other parts of the world.

The Americans that do come to visit us here in Panama rarely want to talk about US politics. I get the sense that when they leave the US and enter into another collective culture they suddenly see how toxic things are in the US and it makes them sick even wanting to broach the subject. I almost never discuss politics with our guests. I reserve my occasional political comments to this site here at po.com.

Which is sadly a way of saying that this site is a repository for political pollution. Most of the political comments of other posters here reads like pollution to me.

At least I can entertain folks here about Republicans psychologically performing oral sex on their president until I get banned for doing it!

No problem talking about executing supposed traitors. Violence is ok. Sex is tabu. Especially when you hit the nail on the head.

[Newfie]

Hopefully we can steer this conversation back around to Greta and climate change soon.

There are enough other threads dealing with the political bias already.

Said the pot....

[rockdoc123]

Cog you got some proof to back up this statement?

I'm sure Cog has his own reasoning but I suspect it probably has a lot to do with the fact that we know damned well a 16-year-old girl who no longer seeks a formal education didn't write any of the speeches she has given and almost certainly much of the staging of this theatre of the absurd is at the hands of her parents which, apparently, are both Antifa a group full of anarchists, socialists, communists, social democrats etc. who have made it clear that the "anti-facist" cloak they wear is a cover for their real motive which is (not surprisingly) overthrow of the government. In Washington this year they carried signs and shouted chants to the effect: “the system cannot be reformed, it must be overthrown” “no border, no wall, no USA at all”. Getting from there to threatening to put government members up against the wall isn't a big step, and sorry I don't buy this it's "all in the translation from Swedish", she was on an eco-rant which mirrored her parents/handlers views. If they didn't mean that it would not have been in there. Again there is no way she writes any of this. If you think she does then I suspect you don't know any 16-year-olds.

[Cog]

Thanks rockdoc123. Earlier in this thread I posted a pic of all three of them wearing Antifa shirts. Antifa are exactly as rockdoc123 describes them. Violent anarchists/socialist.

[onlooker]

Hardly, This is about keeping the profits coming in via the New Green Economy -Deal. Keeping Capitalusm viable
So, "how Al Gore and the Planet’s most powerful capitalists are behind today’s manufactured youth movements and why"

So no not overthrowing or murdering anyone, other than the planet and much of life.

http://www.theartofannihilation.com/the ... l-complex/

[Revi]

This site has become a bunch of political rants, but I guess it just reflects the society in general.

I really don't know how you can spin Greta as a radical anarchist, but ok.

Her parents are probably Swedish social democrat types, but who isn't?

It seems like even the weather has become a dangerous topic anymore, as it might bring up the subject of climate change...

People have decided whether to love or hate Greta based on their political stance.

Meanwhile nothing much happened at COP 25. The big economies can't get off the crack pipe of economic benefit connected to fossil fuel use. I don't see it changing, so get ready.

[Newfie]

I just want to say that Greta is a 16 yo with some learning/functional issues. She is not someone to be afraid of. Nor attacked.

I personally know almost zero about the young lady other than that is what she is. It’s quite remarkable that she has been through this ordeal and kept as much composure as she has. That she has snapped and made some bad comments is hardly surprising. Oh that most of us here had the same amount of self control and focus.

There are likely forces behind her, driving her, using her for their own purpose. These forces, presumably adults, should be the focus of comments. Lets let the 16yo recover and have some childhood, if such is possible.

Attack the handlers if necessary.

[Cog]

Greta can't hide behind her youth when she enters the political arena. Sorry, you get no passes here. I continue to believe that she is being abused by the radicals, but it is what it is. She has Asbergers and she says so on her Facebook account. Whatever abuse she gets on social media is directly attributable to her radical parents.

[Newfie]

Cog,

Do you think you could show the same level of composure as she? Even at your advanced age?

[Plantagenet]

Greta got into an unfortunate twitter war with the German railway system.



Greta tweeted a pic of herself sitting on the floor with her bags, and complained that the German railway systems were so crowded she couldn't get a seat.

The railway apologized profusely and said they supported Greta and her battle against CO2 emissions.

Then it came out that the railway had actually put Greta in a first class seat, along with the rest of her party soon after this picture was taken. The railway then said Greta should've mentioned this fact and the kind actions of the train staff in moving her to first class, and they took back their apology.

Then Greta tweeted it was GOOD that the train system was overcrowded because it showed people were taking the train.

I have to say that Greta hasn't experienced overcrowding until she's been on an Italian train on a busy day. On a jam-packed full Italian train people and their bags would be wedged in together everywhere until everyone was forced to stand up, pressed up against everyone else...in the aisles, on the steps, between cars and into the toilet rooms. And then off you go for three hours packed in like sardines, with your chin pressed into somebody's grandmother's hair and your back pushed up against what you fear is a professional Italian pickpocket as the train bounces along.

Of course, Greta is actually just a teenager, and she is usually so composed and articulate it seems surprising when she acts like typical whiny teenager.

CHEERS!

[Cog]

Cog,

Do you think you could show the same level of composure as she? Even at your advanced age?

She isn't anymore composed than a trained seal trained to balance a ball on her nose. Her media interviews are tightly controlled. You really think she understands the science behind climate change?

[Cog]

I have an idea for Greta. Let her go to China and do a protest on the soil of the largest CO2 emitter on the planet. Do it on Tinnamen Square. Because we know how well the last protest worked out there.

But that is not really the point of her radical left parents. Their point is to destroy the West in favor of communism, where you can line up people against the wall and execute them. As they did 100 million people in the 20th century.

[Plantagenet]

You really think she understands the science behind climate change?

I think what Greta understands is the concept of science. She understands that science represents a logical attempt to understand the physical universe. Part of science is climate science....the study of earth's climate system, including climate change.

Climate change is a very complicated and technical subject. Even Ph.D. level scientists have disagreements about certain aspects of it, even though the vast majority accept climate change as real.

The current scientific consensus is that global warming is real, and its causing the climate problems we are seeing around the world. Science also suggests global warming will get worse and worse and may even become an existential threat. Greta understands those ideas, and she is protesting against a lack of governmental action to address that issue.



Cheers!

[Cog]

I suppose Greta understands climate change in the same way that a parrot understands human speech in requesting a cracker.

[EnergyUnlimited]

But that is not really the point of her radical left parents. Their point is to destroy the West in favor of communism, where you can line up people against the wall and execute them. As they did 100 million people in the 20th century.

Cog,
Surely enough West will be destroyed but you will not get communism on resulting wasteland.
In Europe some caliphate may well form and in US we will get some dysfunctional Latino state.

[The_Toecutter]

Again there is no way she writes any of this. If you think she does then I suspect you don't know any 16-year-olds.

I was once that 16 year old, articulately writing about complicated issues, and I probably was far from the only one in existence at that time. It is plausible she wrote those speeches her self. It is also every bit as plausible someone wrote them for her, or at least critiqued/edited them.

[rockdoc123]

I was once that 16 year old, articulately writing about complicated issues, and I probably was far from the only one in existence at that time.

yeah OK....and I painted the cystine chapel as well.
no proof of either happening I'm afraid