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Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 10 Sep 2019, 18:48:10

Its time to start planning our retreat from the coasts now

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Some coastal cities like New York and Miami are raising their street levels and building higher seawalls in attempt to keep the sea water out. This is futile and a waste of resources.

Its time to start planning our retreat from the coasts now. Rather then wasting money trying to save our existing coastal cities, we'd be smarter to be planning our retreat from all low-lying coastal areas. Then we need to identify safe areas where all the climate refugees can go, and we need to build enough housing for them there.

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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby Ibon » Tue 10 Sep 2019, 18:58:48

Plantagenet wrote:Its time to start planning our retreat from the coasts now

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Some coastal cities like New York and Miami are raising their street levels and building higher seawalls in attempt to keep the sea water out. This is futile and a waste of resources.

Its time to start planning our retreat from the coasts now. Rather then wasting money trying to save our existing coastal cities, we'd be smarter to be planning our retreat from all low-lying coastal areas. Then we need to identify safe areas where all the climate refugees can go, and we need to build enough housing for them there.

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It's also time to sell your coastal property ahead of the curve. We close Oct 1 on our last property in Florida. I feel like we are exiting at a good time. Soon coastal properties are going to go down.

You cant get a mortgage without hurricane insurance.

How many are going to be able to afford hurricane insurance that will rise to 5 figures along with property taxes etc. Your talking fixed costs of property tax and insurance well over $ 20k a year.

Good luck.

Imagine if Dorian would have made a major hit in the metropolitan area of Dade/Broward/Palm Beach County. Imagine the implication for insurance rates.

We are very close to a tipping point on the affordability of coastal properties. We are one major catastrophic storm away actually.
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby jedrider » Tue 10 Sep 2019, 22:20:39

Retreat! No, put people in harms way. How many people died in the Bahamas? Population reduction has a long way to go. Admittedly, it's not always pleasant. Who will even take the survivors now? There goes my dream of retiring on a tropical island or, maybe, not. Cheap land.
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 11 Sep 2019, 00:36:59

jedrider wrote:Retreat! No, put people in harms way.


They are already there. Every inch of coastline just about everywhere warm is crowded with a gazillion people.

jedrider wrote:How many people died in the Bahamas? Population reduction has a long way to go..... Who will even take the survivors now?


The Ds. They no longer believe its a crime to cross the US border and they believe the US has an infinite capacity to absorb more immigrants.


jedrider wrote:There goes my dream of retiring on a tropical island or, maybe, not. Cheap land.


You are 100% right. This is the chance of a lifetime to buy some cheap land.

Timing is everything. Go to Bermuda right now and you'll be able to find deals on waterfront property. And there is lots of recycled wood lying around that you can use to build your house.

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Its hard to know which beachfront lot to buy.....

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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 11 Sep 2019, 07:04:54

Ibon,

Back to the physical exercise bit, I’m wondering if there is even more to it. When you exercise, AKA WORK, as in actually moving weight from place to place, it focus your mind in the present and releases hormones that help sooth you.

Perhaps part of our psychosis is that far too many first worldwide have a lot of built up tension due to physical inactivity.

I’m gonna double post this into the Progressive Mental Disease thread and please respond there if you do.
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby jedrider » Wed 11 Sep 2019, 11:53:09

Its hard to know which beachfront lot to buy.....


That's where all the immigrant laborers lived. Many dead will not even be counted according to Paul Beckwith. It is an area purposely meant to be disposable.
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby dohboi » Fri 20 Sep 2019, 16:09:18

In addition to the risk of methane emissions from metastable gas hydrates in intrapermafrost regions of Arctic continental shelves cited in my last post; the linked reference reminds us of the growing carbon emissions from Arctic thermokarst lakes, in the coming decades (with continued warming):

S. Serikova et al. (2019), "High carbon emissions from thermokarst lakes of Western Siberia", Nature Communications, 10, Article number: 1552, DOI: https://doi.org/10.1038/s41467-019-09592-1

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-09592-1

Abstract: "The Western Siberia Lowland (WSL), the world’s largest permafrost peatland, is of importance for understanding the high-latitude carbon (C) cycle and its response to climate change. Warming temperatures increase permafrost thaw and production of greenhouse gases. Also, permafrost thaw leads to the formation of lakes which are hotspots for atmospheric C emissions. Although lakes occupy ~6% of WSL, lake C emissions from WSL remain poorly quantified. Here we show high C emissions from lakes across all permafrost zones of WSL. The C emissions were especially high in shoulder seasons and in colder permafrost-rich regions. The total C emission from permafrost-affected lakes of WSL equals ~12 ± 2.6 Tg C yr−1 and is 2-times greater than region’s C export to the Arctic coast. The results show that C emission from WSL lakes is a significant component in the high-latitude C cycle, but also suggest that C emission may decrease with warming."

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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 09 Oct 2019, 06:40:49

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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby dohboi » Tue 10 Dec 2019, 22:32:04

Climate feedbacks in the Earth system and prospects for their evaluation

https://doi.org/10.5194/esd-10-379-2019

"...increased heating and freshening at the ocean surface in the high latitudes will enhance the stability of the water column at the deep-water formation sites, resulting in positive feedback due to weaker mixing of excess heat downward..."
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby onlooker » Wed 11 Dec 2019, 12:29:54

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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 11 Dec 2019, 12:45:21

Paywall. But no matter I think we have passed that point a looong time ago. Not because of the physical processes but because of our inability to react to it.

It’s not gonna kill us this century, but it will sure make life miserable in the future.
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby onlooker » Wed 11 Dec 2019, 13:12:51

Newfie wrote:Paywall. But no matter I think we have passed that point a looong time ago. Not because of the physical processes but because of our inability to react to it.

It’s not gonna kill us this century, but it will sure make life miserable in the future.

Bssically saying the Arctic is now releasing massive amounts of carbon. A truly catastrophic feedback 8O
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 11 Dec 2019, 19:19:41

If you can find a synopsis please post it in the run away global warming thread where Cid used to post so heavily.

He deserves a “good ya so” or three.
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby asg70 » Wed 11 Dec 2019, 19:37:45

Newfie wrote:If you can find a synopsis please post it in the run away global warming thread where Cid used to post so heavily.

He deserves a “good ya so” or three.


Seconded. Oh, and Plant, please stop flying around the world already. Enough is enough with your hypocrisy.

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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Sun 15 Dec 2019, 01:27:12

asg70 wrote:Plant, please stop flying around the world already. Enough is enough with your hypocrisy.
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 15 Dec 2019, 01:59:05

Keith_McClary wrote: Alaskans travel by kayak.


True enough. Are you a kayaker, Keith?

I'm pretty sure I did the first kayak circumnavigation around Augustine Island in lower Cook inlet, among other Kayak adventures in Alaska.

I used to have a Klepper folding kayak (sold it) and for a while I had a Feathercraft folding kayak (sold it). Now I've got a fleet of kayaks, with 2 hard-shells and about 3 inflatable kayaks, with a German Metzler inflatable kayak being my go-to boat. A high quality inflatable boat can carry a lot of gear and the skin is very tough....you can run them up on beaches even in pretty heavy surf.....and when deflated they pack down to about nothing so they're very easy to take on trips. I just about always took one along with me when I was doing scientific work in various remote parts of Alaska where there where no roads or trails, and used them to traverse across rivers or work my way around lakes, like Imuruk Lake on the Seward Peninsula.

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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Sun 15 Dec 2019, 08:19:33

I would add one personal observation.
This autumn in the area of Poland where I live there was not a single day (or night) where temperature have dropped below 0*C. Not even on one moment.
The lowest temperature recorded in my area was 3*C on one morning and this is absolutely unheard of.
It is expected that before New Year nothing will change.
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby Azothius » Sat 21 Dec 2019, 08:57:46

The Amazon rainforest is about to cross an irreversible threshold that will turn it into a savanna, top scientists say

https://www.yahoo.com/news/amazon-rainf ... 00648.html


The Amazon rainforest is "teetering on the edge" of an irreversible threshold that would turn it into a savanna, a group of top scientists warn.

That's because humans have been cutting and burning the forest, which allows moisture to escape the ecosystem.

Enough deforestation could trigger a process called "dieback," in which the rainforest would dry up, burn, and become a savanna-like landscape, releasing up to 140 billion tons of carbon into the atmosphere.

Experts fear the Amazon rainforest has reached a catastrophic tipping point.

Leading rainforest scientists Thomas Lovejoy and Carlos Nobre warned in an editorial published Thursday that deforestation in the world's largest rainforest has led the Amazon to the brink of an irreversible process called "dieback."

That scenario would turn the Amazon into an African-savanna-type landscape. The tropical trees — and the fauna they support — would disappear, releasing up to 140 billion tons of stored carbon into the atmosphere, causing an uptick in already rising global temperatures.


not to mention that the planet would also lose a major carbon sink
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 21 Dec 2019, 18:39:19

German Green party says the EU should take in 140 million climate refugees

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There's going to be a lot more climate refugees then that. I wonder why the racists in the German green party want to set a limit at 140 million refugees? Shouldn't they be willing to take in 200 million? Or 300 million?

And if Germans are so concerned about climate refugees, why don't they stop burning coal immediately? Its not like there aren't other ways to generate electricity? It seems like they haven't entirely thought this through.

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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Sun 22 Dec 2019, 11:00:55

Plantagenet wrote:German Green party says the EU should take in 140 million climate refugees

I support this as long as all of of them will go to Germany.
Of course Germans will need to go somewhere to make space... compost pile comes to mind.

One way or another weak and impoverished Germany are in long term in the best interest of Poland.
So I do support these German lefties. Good luck for them and fingers crossed.

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