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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 21

Unread postby derhundistlos » Wed 30 Oct 2019, 03:51:32

Newfie,

I share dohboi's frustration with that small minority, despite a wealth of information to the contrary, who continue to perpetuate the global climate change is a hoax meme. It's this well funded vocal minority that has prevented society from taking decisive action and now all of us will pay the ultimate price. When the SHTF, these characters should be rounded up and hung by lamp posts.

We're talking about the survival of life on earth and we are concerned with polite conversation?

Thank you, dohboi.

Indisputable Facts:

~~2018 was the hottest year in recorded history
~~2017 was the second hottest year followed by 2016 than 2015, etc.
~~The hottest decade occurred post-2000
~~The last 30 day cycle when the earth experienced cooler than normal temps. was December 1985.
~~Ocean acidity has increased by 32% since the inception of the Industrial Revolution.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 21

Unread postby derhundistlos » Wed 30 Oct 2019, 04:00:12

"Very few here are claiming that AGW could cause *life* going extinct."~~EnergyUnlimited

Really? Do you have data to support your claim?

In terms of PO.com, the vast majority concur with the evidence that AGW is indeed an extinction inducing catastrophe.

The AGW is a hoax nonsense is a phenomenon of the US and other wealthy English speaking populations. In Colombia where I live, I have yet to encounter a single person who denies the reality of global climate change due to the fact that the people are much more intimately connected to the natural world and as a consequence they see for themselves the disastrous consequences.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 21

Unread postby dissident » Wed 30 Oct 2019, 21:17:48

derhundistlos wrote:"Very few here are claiming that AGW could cause *life* going extinct."~~EnergyUnlimited

Really? Do you have data to support your claim?

In terms of PO.com, the vast majority concur with the evidence that AGW is indeed an extinction inducing catastrophe.

The AGW is a hoax nonsense is a phenomenon of the US and other wealthy English speaking populations. In Colombia where I live, I have yet to encounter a single person who denies the reality of global climate change due to the fact that the people are much more intimately connected to the natural world and as a consequence they see for themselves the disastrous consequences.


Thanks for providing an empirical data point. This information is worth infinitely more than billions of pages of denier Gish gallop and endless repetition of debunked talking points.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 21

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Thu 31 Oct 2019, 02:12:59

derhundistlos wrote:In terms of PO.com, the vast majority concur with the evidence that AGW is indeed an extinction inducing catastrophe.

"Extinction inducing catastrophe" is an entirely different concept than "life going extint".
Read these posts with undesrstanding and contemplate what phrase "life going extinct" actually entails.

Earth have witnessed few large (and many minor) "extinction inducing catastrophes" and somehow life did not go extinct or otherwise we would not be discussing these.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 21

Unread postby jedrider » Wed 06 Nov 2019, 00:15:26

EnergyUnlimited wrote:
derhundistlos wrote:In terms of PO.com, the vast majority concur with the evidence that AGW is indeed an extinction inducing catastrophe.

"Extinction inducing catastrophe" is an entirely different concept than "life going extint".
Read these posts with undesrstanding and contemplate what phrase "life going extinct" actually entails.

Earth have witnessed few large (and many minor) "extinction inducing catastrophes" and somehow life did not go extinct or otherwise we would not be discussing these.


The algae and jelly fish are rallying. But that's a good distinction: Life will go on, just not for our kind or anything close (I hope it's not that bad, though). Maybe, some rodent will make it through a bottleneck once again.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 21

Unread postby derhundistlos » Thu 07 Nov 2019, 05:44:24

Tipping point breached! The time at which a change or an effect cannot be stopped. We are entering our last 30 years as a civilized species on this planet.

Amsterdam, Sept 2019.

It might come as a surprise to many people but if we could hold their concentration span long enough we may shock them into learning our planet is on the brink of collapse and there is no planet b. Many scientists and a growing number of environmental activists are claiming our planet has crossed the “tipping point.” Our climate has changed, which means, our world has changed and the change has happened much faster than previously thought. As we enter 2020, the years 2015 to 2019 have been the warmest five-year period on record, according to the World Meteorological Organisation (WMO). Greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere have also increased to record levels, locking in the warming trend for generations to come. Extreme weather, heatwaves, country-size wildfires, droughts, flooding, and water-stress are commonplace across the globe and are increasing yearly. This summer Europe smashed heat records in many countries, here in my back garden in North Holland I was astonished to record a temperature of 41 deg C (106 deg F) in the shade during July, just down the road from me, Paris, France hit temperatures in the high 40’s C (around 115 deg F), unheard of in this part of the world.

Summer 2019 was the hottest on record for the Northern Hemisphere according to NOAA. A new report by Berkeley Earth documents hundreds of heat records were broken over the summer of 2019, including almost 400 all-time high temperatures in just the northern hemisphere. Records were broken in 29 countries for the period 1 May to 30 August. One-third of the all-time high temperatures were in Germany, followed by France and the Netherlands. Many countries in Europe have weather records going back almost 200 years but yet recorded new record highs this summer. It wasn't just Europe of course, the U.S., Canada, Japan, Pakistan and India all saw all-time records smashed in 2019.

The hot and dry conditions brought a new menace to the planet in 2019 in the way of, out-of-control country size wildfires. The 4.3 million hectare fire in Siberia this summer- an area larger than Denmark- contributed significantly to climate change. Wildfires in the Amazon rainforest hit a record number this year, according to research carried out by Brazil's space research centre (INPE). It cited an incredible 72,843 fires, marking an increase of 83% compared to 2018 - the highest since records began in 2013. Meanwhile, millions of wild animals, including jaguars, pumas and llamas, perished in the weeks of wildfires that devastated huge swaths of the Bolivian and Brazilian forest and grassland this summer. The number of Indonesian people suffering respiratory problems caused by smoke from forest and peatland fires blanketing parts of Borneo and Sumatra this year was in the millions, according to the authorities.

Our oceans are in desperate straits as well due to warmer than normal waters destroying fragile eco-systems. Combined with overfishing, dead zones from algae and bacteria are killing marine life at an unprecedented and unsustainable rate. Reuters claimed 2019 will go down as Alaska’s hottest summer on record, the latest benchmark in a long-term warming trend with ominous repercussions ranging from rapidly vanishing summer sea ice and melting glaciers to raging wildfires and deadly death and chaos for marine life. Millions of small dead sea birds have died since 2015, this year, Short-tailed Shearwaters are dying but recent years have seen puffins, murres, and auklets dying in unprecedented numbers thought to be due to starvation. From the Koyukuk River to the Kuskokwim, to Norton Sound, to Bristol Bay's Igushik River, unusually warm temperatures across Alaska this summer led to die-offs of unspawned chum, sockeye, and pink salmon. In 2018, the Scotsman reported, Global warming was being blamed for Scotland’s worst salmon season in living memory. Incredibly, some beats on famous rivers like the Spey and the Nith recorded not a single salmon caught during the entire season. Just two salmon were caught on the river Fine in Argyll, where once almost a thousand caught each season.

Sylvia Earle, author of the World Is Blue has spent 70,000 hours underwater researching our oceans and is considered one of the most important Oceanographers in the world. She claims, 90% of large fish have disappeared. Almost 40% of phytoplankton which generates oxygen and carbon capture is gone, disrupting the basic system of life on earth, leaving our oceans on the brink of collapse. As long ago as 2006, CBS News claimed our oceans would be empty of fish by 2048.

Jellyfish are taking over, fast becoming the “NEW KINGS OF THE OCEAN,” The rapid growth over the last few decades of these creatures is a sign of the planet's deteriorating marine health, according to expert Lisa-ann Gershwin. Seabirds populations have plummeted to record lows thought to be due to lack of food. According to a report from the University of Aberdeen, there has been a 70% decline in the world seabird population since 1970. Another disturbing report by Kenneth Rosenberg, Ph.D., of the Cornell Lab and American Bird Conservancy, claimed “billions” of North American Birds Have Vanished in the US and Canada, in the last fifty years.

It is not really known or understand just how much plastic is in our oceans but it is estimated at tens of trillions of particles weighing anything between 100 and 250 thousand metric tons, if we could clean up the plastic well, the nuclear pollution in our oceans will take longer to clean, between 50,000 to 250,000 years.

Would they lie to us? Of course, they would!

In 2018, the Bellona website revealed that in 1955 and continuing until the early 1990s, the Russian Navy dumped enormous amounts of irradiated debris and in one case an entire nuclear submarine into the waters of the Arctic. It was not, however, until 2011 that the Russian government admitted this on an international level. That year, Moscow shared with Norwegian nuclear officials the full scope of the problem. The list of sunken objects was far more than had initially been thought, and included 17,000 containers of radioactive waste; 19 ships containing radioactive waste; 14 nuclear reactors, including five that still contain spent nuclear fuel; the K-27 nuclear submarine with its two reactors loaded with nuclear fuel, and 735 other pieces of radioactively contaminated heavy machinery.

It’s not just the Russian’s of course, the U.S. and Japan have also lied to the world and their own people about just how much radioactivity has been released into the environment exposing and compromising the health of their own people. High levels of radiation have been monitored in giant clams close to the Central Pacific site where the United States entombed waste from nuclear testing almost four decades ago, raising concerns the contamination is spreading from the dump site’s tainted groundwater into the ocean and the food chain.

In 2018, the LA Times issued a report which claimed radiation was found to be leaking from the Runit Dome,111,000 cubic yards of radioactive debris left behind after 12 years of nuclear tests, covered by a fragile concrete dome on the Marshall Islands in the Pacific Ocean. According to the report, radioactive shellfish were found in the ocean close to the dome.

In 2020 the Olympic Games come to Tokyo, the Japanese government will focus on the games to show the world that the stricken site of Fukushima is safe and is on course to be totally clean in forty years. However, Ernie Gunderson of the Fairwinds website claimed in 2019, the site will never be safe due to radioactive isotopes spreading across the site and surrounding landscape for the coming 300 to 250,000. Fukushima’s reactor cores have been in direct contact with groundwater since 2011 when the accident occurred leaving toxic radioactive waters leaking at an alarming rate into the Pacific.

The number of wild animals living on Earth will have fallen by two-thirds next year, 2020

Can you imagine if the human population fell by 67%? (that’s like emptying the Americas, Europe, Africa, Oceania and China of people) Would we be worried? Hell yes, well, according to the Living Planet and WWF, this is exactly what’s happened to the wild animal population since 1970. The number of wild animals living on Earth will have fallen by two-thirds by the time you read this book. Mass extinction is destroying the natural world upon which humanity depends and most people don’t even know, it’s happening under their noses, by stealth, why do I say by stealth? Because the collapse of our planet is not on the media’s narrative, it’s not sexy enough.

Albert Einstein once said. “If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe, then man would have only four years of life left. No more bees, no more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man.” According to a report by Greenpeace since the late 1990s, beekeepers around the world have observed the mysterious and sudden disappearance of bees at a disturbing rate and report unusually high rates of decline in honeybee colonies around the world. Beekeepers have lost a third of their colonies every year since 2006.

The RSPB’s State of Nature study suggests there has been a 59% decline in insects in the UK since 1970.

In 2015, a shocking statistic released by the US Fish and Wildlife Service summed up the plight of the monarch butterfly: Since 1990, about one billion of the butterflies – 90 per cent of the total population – have vanished across the United States and Mexico.

Crops around the world are also suffering from the harsh spike in climate change, soil depletion caused by over and aggressive growing, deforestation and wildfires are all killing our crops and forests. To make matters worse tree disease is responsible for the deaths of billions of trees around the world, for instance, in Colorado and California alone, more than a billion trees are dead due to beetle infestation, Alaska is in the grip of a spruce tree die-off which is gone into hyper-drive, caused by Japanese Bark Beetle. Trees are not just dying in the U.S., they are dying in record numbers in Europe too and deforestation in Indonesia and South America is unsustainable.

What are world leaders doing to halt the destruction of our only home? Bill Gates with the help of Harvard University believe they have the answer, they want to spray millions of tonnes of dust into the stratosphere to stop global warming, they want to filter out Sunlight and bounce it back into space to cool the planet! What could possibly go wrong? Quite a lot actually, the procedure could trigger a disastrous series of chain reactions, creating climate havoc in the form of serious droughts and hurricanes, and bring death to millions of people around the world. Not to mention that spreading dust into the stratosphere may damage the ozone layer that protects us from hazardous ultraviolet radiation which can damage human DNA and cause cancers.

Another frightening idea is to reduce global temperatures by exploding a large volcano, causing a volcanic winter, a reduction in global temperatures caused by volcanic ash along with sulphuric acid and water being released into the stratosphere which in turn would reflect the sun’s heat back into space, cooling down our planet. The only problem the cold would cause crops to fail, resulting in global famine.

Some leaders don’t see a problem with the state of the planet, in 2016, the New York Times claimed, President Trump called global warming a “hoax,” and claimed that the Chinese fabricated climate change. He famously Tweeted, “The concept of global warming, was created by and for the Chinese to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.”

In 2019 a new unlikely heroine arrived to save our planet, Greta Thunberg, a sixteen-year-old activist from Sweden who managed to mobilise millions of school kids (a new suffragettes movement? “Suffrage-kids”) to bunk off school around the globe in protests against greedy and corrupt leaders who are doing nothing to fix the planet and our children’s future. She even condemned world leaders during an emotional speech to the United Nations in September 2019, as well as staring down President Trump at the same event but with all respect to Greta Thunberg, all she managed to do was turn the plight of our planet into a media circus.

Enter the Extinction Rebellion!

Extinction Rebellion (XR for short) was formed in the UK in 2018, it is a civil disobedience activist movement. Members of XR began protesting and causing civil unrest around the world in 2018 with the aim of convincing governments and world leaders to recognise and act immediately to combat climate change. Their tactic is to block main intersections and roads in cities disrupting traffic and causing chaos.

Can our politicians and world leaders fix the planet? No of course not, it is far too late, we can’t put the toothpaste back in the tube and as I write this, world politics is embroiled in more, “immediate problems,” President Trump is facing impeachment, The British Parliament has collapsed into a free fall over Brexit, European leaders are worried of a Right-Wing surge in many of their home countries. Elsewhere on the world stage China and Russia and North Korea are taunting the U.S. with Iran itching for a fight with Israel and the Americans, one small misunderstanding, one tiny mistake could push the Atomic Clock all the way to midnight.

So the world’s food supply is crashing and will probably reach “the critical point” around 2050, maybe earlier, the world population at the moment is about 7.7 billion, by 2050 the world’s population will be approaching 10 billion, can you imagine the chaos?

Man’s technology explosion began just over a hundred years ago, from traveling around by horse carriage to automobiles and flight and space travel, in the blink of an eye, great science and medical advances have been made. However, the great paradox of the 21st century is, whatever we achieve as a species going forward, our people, our world, our only home is slipping toward ultimate destruction and despite man's incredible advances we cannot stop the implosion. We can’t stop the wars, the killing, the hating the corruption. Most reasonable people remain hopeful and optimistic that our governments will do the right thing, however, if we look at what is happening in the U.S., the UK, and Europe at the moment it is clear to see our leaders are only interested in themselves and the planet can go and f#$ck its self. I, therefore, am convinced, we as people are entering our last 30 years as a civilised species on this planet.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 21

Unread postby Revi » Thu 07 Nov 2019, 11:23:08

It's getting warmer. October was the warmest on record again!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/scie ... 88121.html
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 21

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Thu 07 Nov 2019, 20:52:17

But here I sit in central Vermont on the seventh of November with it snowing with two to five inches predicted by morning. That would be about a week earlier then the average but well within the year to year variation. Other then mounting the plow on the tractor and putting on the ice chains in case I need them in the morning there is nothing I can do to deal with it and that is true for all of humanity dealing with the total of climate change.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 21

Unread postby FLAMEOUT » Fri 08 Nov 2019, 02:42:47

derhundistlos wrote:Tipping point breached! The time at which a change or an effect cannot be stopped. We are entering our last 30 years as a civilized species on this planet.

Amsterdam, Sept 2019.

It might come as a surprise to many people but if we could hold their concentration span long enough we may shock them into learning our planet is on the brink of collapse and there is no planet b. Many scientists and a growing number of environmental activists are claiming our planet has crossed the “tipping point.” Our climate has changed, which means, our world has changed and the change has happened much faster than previously thought. As we enter 2020, the years 2015 to 2019 have been the warmest five-year period on record, according to the World Meteorological Organisation (WMO). Greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere have also increased to record levels, locking in the warming trend for generations to come. Extreme weather, heatwaves, country-size wildfires, droughts, flooding, and water-stress are commonplace across the globe and are increasing yearly. This summer Europe smashed heat records in many countries, here in my back garden in North Holland I was astonished to record a temperature of 41 deg C (106 deg F) in the shade during July, just down the road from me, Paris, France hit temperatures in the high 40’s C (around 115 deg F), unheard of in this part of the world.

Summer 2019 was the hottest on record for the Northern Hemisphere according to NOAA. A new report by Berkeley Earth documents hundreds of heat records were broken over the summer of 2019, including almost 400 all-time high temperatures in just the northern hemisphere. Records were broken in 29 countries for the period 1 May to 30 August. One-third of the all-time high temperatures were in Germany, followed by France and the Netherlands. Many countries in Europe have weather records going back almost 200 years but yet recorded new record highs this summer. It wasn't just Europe of course, the U.S., Canada, Japan, Pakistan and India all saw all-time records smashed in 2019.

The hot and dry conditions brought a new menace to the planet in 2019 in the way of, out-of-control country size wildfires. The 4.3 million hectare fire in Siberia this summer- an area larger than Denmark- contributed significantly to climate change. Wildfires in the Amazon rainforest hit a record number this year, according to research carried out by Brazil's space research centre (INPE). It cited an incredible 72,843 fires, marking an increase of 83% compared to 2018 - the highest since records began in 2013. Meanwhile, millions of wild animals, including jaguars, pumas and llamas, perished in the weeks of wildfires that devastated huge swaths of the Bolivian and Brazilian forest and grassland this summer. The number of Indonesian people suffering respiratory problems caused by smoke from forest and peatland fires blanketing parts of Borneo and Sumatra this year was in the millions, according to the authorities.

Our oceans are in desperate straits as well due to warmer than normal waters destroying fragile eco-systems. Combined with overfishing, dead zones from algae and bacteria are killing marine life at an unprecedented and unsustainable rate. Reuters claimed 2019 will go down as Alaska’s hottest summer on record, the latest benchmark in a long-term warming trend with ominous repercussions ranging from rapidly vanishing summer sea ice and melting glaciers to raging wildfires and deadly death and chaos for marine life. Millions of small dead sea birds have died since 2015, this year, Short-tailed Shearwaters are dying but recent years have seen puffins, murres, and auklets dying in unprecedented numbers thought to be due to starvation. From the Koyukuk River to the Kuskokwim, to Norton Sound, to Bristol Bay's Igushik River, unusually warm temperatures across Alaska this summer led to die-offs of unspawned chum, sockeye, and pink salmon. In 2018, the Scotsman reported, Global warming was being blamed for Scotland’s worst salmon season in living memory. Incredibly, some beats on famous rivers like the Spey and the Nith recorded not a single salmon caught during the entire season. Just two salmon were caught on the river Fine in Argyll, where once almost a thousand caught each season.

Sylvia Earle, author of the World Is Blue has spent 70,000 hours underwater researching our oceans and is considered one of the most important Oceanographers in the world. She claims, 90% of large fish have disappeared. Almost 40% of phytoplankton which generates oxygen and carbon capture is gone, disrupting the basic system of life on earth, leaving our oceans on the brink of collapse. As long ago as 2006, CBS News claimed our oceans would be empty of fish by 2048.

Jellyfish are taking over, fast becoming the “NEW KINGS OF THE OCEAN,” The rapid growth over the last few decades of these creatures is a sign of the planet's deteriorating marine health, according to expert Lisa-ann Gershwin. Seabirds populations have plummeted to record lows thought to be due to lack of food. According to a report from the University of Aberdeen, there has been a 70% decline in the world seabird population since 1970. Another disturbing report by Kenneth Rosenberg, Ph.D., of the Cornell Lab and American Bird Conservancy, claimed “billions” of North American Birds Have Vanished in the US and Canada, in the last fifty years.

It is not really known or understand just how much plastic is in our oceans but it is estimated at tens of trillions of particles weighing anything between 100 and 250 thousand metric tons, if we could clean up the plastic well, the nuclear pollution in our oceans will take longer to clean, between 50,000 to 250,000 years.

Would they lie to us? Of course, they would!

In 2018, the Bellona website revealed that in 1955 and continuing until the early 1990s, the Russian Navy dumped enormous amounts of irradiated debris and in one case an entire nuclear submarine into the waters of the Arctic. It was not, however, until 2011 that the Russian government admitted this on an international level. That year, Moscow shared with Norwegian nuclear officials the full scope of the problem. The list of sunken objects was far more than had initially been thought, and included 17,000 containers of radioactive waste; 19 ships containing radioactive waste; 14 nuclear reactors, including five that still contain spent nuclear fuel; the K-27 nuclear submarine with its two reactors loaded with nuclear fuel, and 735 other pieces of radioactively contaminated heavy machinery.

It’s not just the Russian’s of course, the U.S. and Japan have also lied to the world and their own people about just how much radioactivity has been released into the environment exposing and compromising the health of their own people. High levels of radiation have been monitored in giant clams close to the Central Pacific site where the United States entombed waste from nuclear testing almost four decades ago, raising concerns the contamination is spreading from the dump site’s tainted groundwater into the ocean and the food chain.

In 2018, the LA Times issued a report which claimed radiation was found to be leaking from the Runit Dome,111,000 cubic yards of radioactive debris left behind after 12 years of nuclear tests, covered by a fragile concrete dome on the Marshall Islands in the Pacific Ocean. According to the report, radioactive shellfish were found in the ocean close to the dome.

In 2020 the Olympic Games come to Tokyo, the Japanese government will focus on the games to show the world that the stricken site of Fukushima is safe and is on course to be totally clean in forty years. However, Ernie Gunderson of the Fairwinds website claimed in 2019, the site will never be safe due to radioactive isotopes spreading across the site and surrounding landscape for the coming 300 to 250,000. Fukushima’s reactor cores have been in direct contact with groundwater since 2011 when the accident occurred leaving toxic radioactive waters leaking at an alarming rate into the Pacific.

The number of wild animals living on Earth will have fallen by two-thirds next year, 2020

Can you imagine if the human population fell by 67%? (that’s like emptying the Americas, Europe, Africa, Oceania and China of people) Would we be worried? Hell yes, well, according to the Living Planet and WWF, this is exactly what’s happened to the wild animal population since 1970. The number of wild animals living on Earth will have fallen by two-thirds by the time you read this book. Mass extinction is destroying the natural world upon which humanity depends and most people don’t even know, it’s happening under their noses, by stealth, why do I say by stealth? Because the collapse of our planet is not on the media’s narrative, it’s not sexy enough.

Albert Einstein once said. “If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe, then man would have only four years of life left. No more bees, no more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man.” According to a report by Greenpeace since the late 1990s, beekeepers around the world have observed the mysterious and sudden disappearance of bees at a disturbing rate and report unusually high rates of decline in honeybee colonies around the world. Beekeepers have lost a third of their colonies every year since 2006.

The RSPB’s State of Nature study suggests there has been a 59% decline in insects in the UK since 1970.

In 2015, a shocking statistic released by the US Fish and Wildlife Service summed up the plight of the monarch butterfly: Since 1990, about one billion of the butterflies – 90 per cent of the total population – have vanished across the United States and Mexico.

Crops around the world are also suffering from the harsh spike in climate change, soil depletion caused by over and aggressive growing, deforestation and wildfires are all killing our crops and forests. To make matters worse tree disease is responsible for the deaths of billions of trees around the world, for instance, in Colorado and California alone, more than a billion trees are dead due to beetle infestation, Alaska is in the grip of a spruce tree die-off which is gone into hyper-drive, caused by Japanese Bark Beetle. Trees are not just dying in the U.S., they are dying in record numbers in Europe too and deforestation in Indonesia and South America is unsustainable.

What are world leaders doing to halt the destruction of our only home? Bill Gates with the help of Harvard University believe they have the answer, they want to spray millions of tonnes of dust into the stratosphere to stop global warming, they want to filter out Sunlight and bounce it back into space to cool the planet! What could possibly go wrong? Quite a lot actually, the procedure could trigger a disastrous series of chain reactions, creating climate havoc in the form of serious droughts and hurricanes, and bring death to millions of people around the world. Not to mention that spreading dust into the stratosphere may damage the ozone layer that protects us from hazardous ultraviolet radiation which can damage human DNA and cause cancers.

Another frightening idea is to reduce global temperatures by exploding a large volcano, causing a volcanic winter, a reduction in global temperatures caused by volcanic ash along with sulphuric acid and water being released into the stratosphere which in turn would reflect the sun’s heat back into space, cooling down our planet. The only problem the cold would cause crops to fail, resulting in global famine.

Some leaders don’t see a problem with the state of the planet, in 2016, the New York Times claimed, President Trump called global warming a “hoax,” and claimed that the Chinese fabricated climate change. He famously Tweeted, “The concept of global warming, was created by and for the Chinese to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.”

In 2019 a new unlikely heroine arrived to save our planet, Greta Thunberg, a sixteen-year-old activist from Sweden who managed to mobilise millions of school kids (a new suffragettes movement? “Suffrage-kids”) to bunk off school around the globe in protests against greedy and corrupt leaders who are doing nothing to fix the planet and our children’s future. She even condemned world leaders during an emotional speech to the United Nations in September 2019, as well as staring down President Trump at the same event but with all respect to Greta Thunberg, all she managed to do was turn the plight of our planet into a media circus.

Enter the Extinction Rebellion!

Extinction Rebellion (XR for short) was formed in the UK in 2018, it is a civil disobedience activist movement. Members of XR began protesting and causing civil unrest around the world in 2018 with the aim of convincing governments and world leaders to recognise and act immediately to combat climate change. Their tactic is to block main intersections and roads in cities disrupting traffic and causing chaos.

Can our politicians and world leaders fix the planet? No of course not, it is far too late, we can’t put the toothpaste back in the tube and as I write this, world politics is embroiled in more, “immediate problems,” President Trump is facing impeachment, The British Parliament has collapsed into a free fall over Brexit, European leaders are worried of a Right-Wing surge in many of their home countries. Elsewhere on the world stage China and Russia and North Korea are taunting the U.S. with Iran itching for a fight with Israel and the Americans, one small misunderstanding, one tiny mistake could push the Atomic Clock all the way to midnight.

So the world’s food supply is crashing and will probably reach “the critical point” around 2050, maybe earlier, the world population at the moment is about 7.7 billion, by 2050 the world’s population will be approaching 10 billion, can you imagine the chaos?

Man’s technology explosion began just over a hundred years ago, from traveling around by horse carriage to automobiles and flight and space travel, in the blink of an eye, great science and medical advances have been made. However, the great paradox of the 21st century is, whatever we achieve as a species going forward, our people, our world, our only home is slipping toward ultimate destruction and despite man's incredible advances we cannot stop the implosion. We can’t stop the wars, the killing, the hating the corruption. Most reasonable people remain hopeful and optimistic that our governments will do the right thing, however, if we look at what is happening in the U.S., the UK, and Europe at the moment it is clear to see our leaders are only interested in themselves and the planet can go and f#$ck its self. I, therefore, am convinced, we as people are entering our last 30 years as a civilised species on this planet.


A very informative and thought provoking post. The Russian (and others) nuclear dumping is extremely alarming.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 21

Unread postby Revi » Fri 08 Nov 2019, 13:03:36

Over 11,000 scientists just came out with a warning about climate change, wildfires in California, "King Tides" on the whole east coast, hurricanes, heat waves still in Florida. It's overwhelming, and yet of course a lot of people don't believe it real. It's amazing the human ability to delude ourselves. We are headed for some really hard times.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 21

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Fri 08 Nov 2019, 13:09:36

FLAMEOUT wrote:A very informative and thought provoking post. The Russian (and others) nuclear dumping is extremely alarming.

An interesting way to save ecosystem from man induced destruction would be to turn it into nuclear dump.
Chernobyl surroundings have truly impressive wildlife out there.
Some radioactivity still present there is keeping humans away and wildlife only modestly harmed by radiation can thrive. It is still a far better deal for a wildlife than a mere presence of humans and their industry.
Perhaps once those containers dumped on sea floor have started leaking radioactivity and ocean fish became to be slightly radioactive in a fashion not to harm fish too much but to make panic between people, then certain fishing operations will have to be suspended, possibly for decades and longer and fisheries will get a chance to recover.
Why not to spread some radioactivity over Amazon, just in quantities making wood hazardous for human use but not enough to harm trees and other Amazon species in significant way?
Logging and other destructive activities there would stop in no time at all.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 21

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Fri 08 Nov 2019, 13:28:29

Over 11,000 scientists just came out with a warning about climate change, wildfires in California, "King Tides" on the whole east coast, hurricanes, heat waves still in Florida. It's overwhelming, and yet of course a lot of people don't believe it real. It's amazing the human ability to delude ourselves. We are headed for some really hard times.


I suggest you go to the website and read the list of so-called "scientists". The vast majority have zero background in climate studies or research, many do not have science backgrounds with a lot of lawyers, educators etc. If they had worded it as 11,000 people rather than 11,000 scientists it would be a more accurate take on the situation. And even then it would have to be somewhat less than 11,000 people given one of the signatories is Mickey Mouse. :roll:

I find it telling that some get so excited over this whereas a year or so ago when the OISM Petition Project came out with 33,000 Bsc or higher signatories to the statement "there is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide will, in the forseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere" the same folk who are waving around this 11,000 petition were picking away at the folks who signed the Petition Project as a means of discrediting it. I guess what's good for the goose isn't good for the gander.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 21

Unread postby jedrider » Fri 08 Nov 2019, 17:21:11

Define 'catastrophic'? That's a worthless statement. Even George Carlin knew that the 'Earth' will come out just fine.

11,000 scientists is on the face of it, means right-off that we're not considering 'experts', of course, but perhaps thinking people that are use to working with the facts. However, the 100 best scientists, I would take that. I think the percentage would be even higher in that case.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 21

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Fri 08 Nov 2019, 19:59:14

Define 'catastrophic'? That's a worthless statement. Even George Carlin knew that the 'Earth' will come out just fine.


I guess you should take that up with the originators of that concept....numerous press reports regarding the IPCC findings. The Petition Project was responding to that, hence their use of the phrase catastrophic warming.

here is a sampling of the press in that regard:

From the Guardian:

Canada is warming twice as fast as the rest of the world, a landmark government report has found, warning that drastic action is the only way to avoid catastrophic outcomes.

From the New York Times

The planet is getting warmer in catastrophic ways.


Amnesty International

The IPCC warns that in order to avoid catastrophic global warming, we must not reach 1.5°C above pre-industrial levels – or at very minimum not exceed that. The report sets out the massive differences between the 1.5°C and 2°C scenarios.
 

BBC

One degree may not sound like much, but, according to the IPCC, if countries fail to act, the world will face catastrophic change


Globe and Mail

UN report calls for urgent action to avert catastrophic climate change
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 21

Unread postby jedrider » Fri 08 Nov 2019, 20:57:45

Catastrophic for us humans? Yes, certainly!
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 21

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Sat 09 Nov 2019, 00:10:50

OK...this is just too funny

Doomsday Climate Petition Blocked After Dozens Of Fictional Signatories


Foundhttps://climatechangedispatch.com/doomsday-climate-petition-blocked/#more-31221

so basically they had to stop access to the so-called 11,000 scientists because a lot of it was fake. Let's wait and see if the media who turned themselves into pretzels over announcing this actually say anything.....don't hear anything yet...it's still quiet. :roll:

Seriously can we please take this entire discussion out of the hands of the completely ignorant and leave it to actual scientists who haven't become media whores? Please?
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 21

Unread postby dohboi » Sat 09 Nov 2019, 03:18:28

Deep Adaptation: A Map for Navigating ClimateTragedy

The purpose of this conceptual paper is to provide readers with an opportunity to reassess their work and life in the face of an inevitable near- term social collapse due to climate change.

The approach of the paper is to analyse recent studies on climate change and its implications for our ecosystems, economies and societies, as provided by academic journals and publications direct from research institutes.

That synthesis leads to a conclusion there will be a near-term collapse in society with serious ramifications for the lives of readers. The paper reviews some of the reasons why collapse-denial may exist, in particular, in the professions of sustainability research and practice, therefore leading to these arguments having been absent from these fields until now.

The paper offers a new meta-framing of the implications for research, organisational practice, personal development and public policy, called the Deep Adaptation Agenda. Its key aspects of resilience, relinquishment and restorations are explained. This agenda does not seek to build on existing scholarship on “climate adaptation” as it is premised on the view that social collapse is now inevitable.

The author believes this is one of the first papers in the sustainability management field to conclude that climate-induced societal collapse is now inevitable in the near term and therefore to invite scholars to explore the implications.


https://www.lifeworth.com/deepadaptation.pdf
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 21

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Sat 09 Nov 2019, 14:18:54


He is writting very much what we discuss on this forum ab nauseum, eg about CC induced societal collapse, probably an inevitable one.
It is like if someone was studying this forum and wrote a paper base on its contents.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 21

Unread postby dissident » Sun 10 Nov 2019, 15:05:10

In 2018, the Bellona website revealed that in 1955 and continuing until the early 1990s, the Russian Navy dumped enormous amounts of irradiated debris and in one case an entire nuclear submarine into the waters of the Arctic. It was not, however, until 2011 that the Russian government admitted this on an international level. That year, Moscow shared with Norwegian nuclear officials the full scope of the problem. The list of sunken objects was far more than had initially been thought, and included 17,000 containers of radioactive waste; 19 ships containing radioactive waste; 14 nuclear reactors, including five that still contain spent nuclear fuel; the K-27 nuclear submarine with its two reactors loaded with nuclear fuel, and 735 other pieces of radioactively contaminated heavy machinery.


Boilerplate, Pavolvian anti-Russian propaganda.

Note how the massive clean up effort of mostly Soviet legacy dumping is totally omitted. It's all one big, continuous "Russian" malfeasance. Get F*CKED.

https://tass.com/world/938493

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... waste-dump

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreev_B ... r_accident

https://eurasianet.org/russia-taking-ac ... -far-north

https://safety4sea.com/russia-receiving ... rom-italy/

https://financialtribune.com/articles/e ... lear-waste

https://www.energy-reporters.com/environment/2916/

https://arcticportal.org/ap-library/new ... nes-lifted

Yeah, let's ignore the reality and the the timeline. The usual hate driven ignorance and phony moralizing.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 21

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 10 Nov 2019, 20:43:56

Scientists got global warming wrong.

They UNDERESTIMATED how QUICKLY it would occur, and how BAD it would be

how-scientists-got-climate-change-so-wrong

When Obama and the rest of the world leaders put the Paris Accords together in 2015, most scientists were telling them it would be decades until the world warmed by 1.5-2.0°C. But then global warming accelerated and we are already at 1.5°C of warming, and will blow past 2.0° C of global warming sometime in the 2020s.

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