[Revi]

I guess the unrest in Chile has cancelled COP 25.
It may be in another location, but nothing is scheduled yet.
Greta is in Los Angeles, and who knows where she's headed next?

[Tanada]

They should be holding it in northern cities like Fairbanks, Alaska or Magnetogorsk, Russia where arctic amplification boosts their viewpoint. Half or more of these meetings are in year round warm zones where change is subtle at best and unnoticeable by outsiders.

[Ibon]

They should be holding it in northern cities like Fairbanks, Alaska or Magnetogorsk, Russia where arctic amplification boosts their viewpoint. Half or more of these meetings are in year round warm zones where change is subtle at best and unnoticeable by outsiders.

That's a great point. The meeting can include a little field trip to a nearby disappearing glacier.

Nothing like a little organic reality to make it all real.

[Plantagenet]

Greta was right to target the UN climate change treaty process. The UNCCC went off track with the passing of the worthless Paris Accords, and if they don't reschedule COP25 things will go even farther off track. COP25 was supposed to include an accounting of how badly every country in the world in the world is doing at meeting its promises made in Paris in 2015. ALL of the EU countries are failing to reach their targets.....and why should they? There are no penalties for countries who break the Paris Accords. And the EU supposedly actually cares about climate change.

report-finds-all-european-union-countries-failing-paris-climate-targets

Each year is precious. Until the UN repeals the Paris Accords and replaces it with a binding climate change treaty that requires greenhouse gas reductions, we're just going to drift into the world of ever higher greenhouse gas emissions and ever high global temperatures.

We're already entering "Fire World"....where forest fires are exploding in frequency around the world as year after year of high temps and drought turn forests into tinder boxes.

As the planet gets still hotter, even worse climate disasters are likely to occur.

Cheers!

[Revi]

I agree. We need some kind of international accord with some kind of binding resolution to actually cut greenhouse gas emissions or it's all a fiction. I wonder if all those countries are relieved because they can continue pretending now for the foreseeable future?

[Plantagenet]

News just out. COP25 will held in Madrid, Spain.

Makes sense......Spain in winter is sunny and delightful and the food is great.

Now it looks like Greta will be sailing aback across the Atlantic soon.


Welcome to Spain, Greta.....we are so happy you are coming to visit us....

Cheers!

[Outcast_Searcher]

Now it looks like Greta will be sailing aback across the Atlantic soon.

So still wasting fossil fuels (net, with the boat transport crew, etc) to try to make some point instead of just flying? How genuine of her.

[Ibon]

I agree. We need some kind of international accord with some kind of binding resolution to actually cut greenhouse gas emissions or it's all a fiction. I wonder if all those countries are relieved because they can continue pretending now for the foreseeable future?

This is the point Revi I was making on the Impeachment thread. Everyone is secretly relieved we have incompetent politicians and failed international accords because then everyone can not only continue to pretend into the foreseeable future but they also have someone to blame.......

Convenient.

[Tanada]

This is the point Revi I was making on the Impeachment thread. Everyone is secretly relieved we have incompetent politicians and failed international accords because then everyone can not only continue to pretend into the foreseeable future but they also have someone to blame.......

Convenient.

That is just human nature at work. It is also the reason I concluded several years ago we will do zero effective work to prevent massive climate change. Those who see this should do whatever they can to adapt to a warmer future rather than wringing our hands at the futility of humans acting like humans.

In another way it is why we won't do a darn thing about Peak Oil until it really bites us where the sun don't shine and gets our attention. This is why I have always been a moderate on the oil issue because I expect humans to suffer much unneeded pain, wail and gnash their teeth, then muddle on through like usual.

[EnergyUnlimited]

That is just human nature at work. It is also the reason I concluded several years ago we will do zero effective work to prevent massive climate change. Those who see this should do whatever they can to adapt to a warmer future rather than wringing our hands at the futility of humans acting like humans.

I am expecting chaotic launching of some haphazard geoengineering pojects once it is obviously too hot and for example India is on the brink of becoming uninhabitable etc.
So they will paint all the roofs and motorways white and liberals will call it racist.
They will pump millions of tons of seawater into stratosphere and by the same induce new round of ozone depletion due to halogen compounds present there (Br and I particular as these are prone to halogen radical liberation by photolysis).
The chemtrails will be a real feature, not just conspiracy etc. They will pump millions of tons of SO2 to stratosphere to produce sulfate aerosols and horrible acid rains as a by show.
They will do a lot of things and it wil not work as intended, so they will fail.
But maybe they will postpone climatocalypse by 2-3 decades, if lucky.

[Sys1]

After COP 21 in Paris and all the tremendous comments heard and read in mainstream medias, average people thought that climate change was almost solved, like a bad story behind us, so no more reason to be worried, back to consumption!
It's all about that, pretending we are still able to do something to address climate change, and more than that, claim to the world that economy will grow more than ever during the process and beyond.

[Plantagenet]

After COP 21 in Paris and all the tremendous comments heard and read in mainstream medias, average people thought that climate change was almost solved, like a bad story behind us, so no more reason to be worried, back to consumption!
It's all about that, pretending we are still able to do something to address climate change, and more than that, claim to the world that economy will grow more than ever during the process and beyond.

Exactly right.

The Paris Accords were a total sham, that set the UN Climate Change Treaty Process back 20 years. Its just a repeat of the voluntary Kyoto Accords....and those didn't work. Now the world is going to waste 20 years more before doing anything real about climate change, all because the politicians sold us down the river with the phony Paris Accords.

Thats why Greta is so great. She gets it. She's about the only public figure out there holding the UN accountable for doing nothing.

Spain just released a statement that they will help Greta get to COP 25 in Madrid. No word yet on what kind of carbon-free transport Greta will take back across the Atlantic. Maybe Spain will send the Armada....


No one expects the Spanish Armada!

[Revi]

It's fun watching Greta's progress anyway. We'll see what happens, but she has at least gotten the world to pay about a minute's worth of attention, which no other climate change activist has so far. Bill McKibben and Al Gore tried, but Greta is still barely in the news cycle, and maybe will continue to be for a little while.

[EnergyUnlimited]

Spain just released a statement that they will help Greta get to COP 25 in Madrid. No word yet on what kind of carbon-free transport Greta will take back across the Atlantic. Maybe Spain will send the Armada....

I would be nice if Greta have demanded for such meetings to be run in form of videoconferences.
In current form they are tramendous waste of money and also a cause of huge emission of GHG.
All this travelling on conferences is of no use in face of possibilities offered by current tech.
The only travel needed should be one necessary to sign final accords.

[Revi]

Great idea! Greta has to get to Madrid somehow. Maybe the Spanish sail training vessel could take her. I saw it in Puerto Rico about 10 years ago. It would be a lot more comfortable than the way she got across the Atlantic last time!

https://www.thelocal.es/20191104/spain- ... -in-madrid

[Plantagenet]

I would be nice if Greta have demanded for such meetings to be run in form of videoconferences.
In current form they are tramendous waste of money and also a cause of huge emission of GHG.
All this travelling on conferences is of no use in face of possibilities offered by current tech.
The only travel needed should be one necessary to sign final accords.

Well of course that is true, but a big part of the fun of working for the government is the free travel you get when you get sent on one of these boondoggles.

I've been in the university world mostly, but I also sometimes got government grants and funds for travel. I was even one of the official US "science" delegates to an earlier COP some years ago. I went to the official COP science meeting on official US government free travel plus per diem .....and then stayed another two weeks traveling around Europe on my own nickel. Wound up camping on a beach on a little little island in the North Sea in the northern Netherlands. Had a WONDERFUL TIME.

No one in the government or even in the non-governmental agencies is ever going to agree not to travel to these meetings. From the US President on down to the lowliest aide, they are too IMPORTANT not to travel at every opportunity to every country and every meeting, don't you see.

CHEERS!

[asg70]

More reason for Plant to celebrate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... 5okoeSYr4M

[Plantagenet]

More reason for Plant to celebrate.

I don't celebrate Trump pulling the US out of the Paris Accords but I'm not going to pretend I'm a big fan of the Paris Accords either.

The Paris Climate Accords are a sham. They have had no effect either on greenhouse gas emissions or on global warming. The Paris Accords are just a newer version of the Kyoto Accords which was also based on voluntary commitments. The Kyoto Accords failed. Now we're doing the same thing again and thats dumb. What the world needs is to abandon the voluntary Paris Accords and move on to some kind of mandatory UN treaty that requires greenhouse gas emissions reductions as soon as possible.

Unfortunately the Paris Accords expire in 2030, so the world is probably locked into the phony sham Paris Accords until then.

Cheers!

[asg70]

The Paris Climate Accords are a sham

Spoken like a true climate activist.

[Revi]

Well, then what will the COP 25 do? Will the rest of the world move on without us? We'll see...