dirtyharry wrote:Let us get things straight . If the grid is down long time ,nothing is going to save you ,inverters,batteries ,solar panels,wind farms ,Mr Musk and his crap . Then society is going to be FUBAR . Keep your fingers crossed and pray like hell this does not happen ,because if it does the party ends .
dirtyharry wrote:Let us get things straight . If the grid is down long time ,nothing is going to save you ,inverters,batteries ,solar panels,wind farms ,Mr Musk and his crap . Then society is going to be FUBAR . Keep your fingers crossed and pray like hell this does not happen ,because if it does the party ends .
Pops wrote:Maybe, that's 150w peak power, not good for much.
You can get a 12v deep cycle battery, 100Ah for $175 at Wally's and a $30 trickle charger, then recharge it in the car on the way to work.
If you have cordless tools you can get a USB adapter.
Ghung told me once to make everything one battery size. I have a buttload of AAs that run all sorts of stuff. But also lots of ways to get between a/c & d/c, from AA to 12v to 18v (dewalt) to 120v, USB chargers blah.
Simplest solution are these solar path lights for $40
GHung wrote:Stay away from the Walmart deep cycle batteries. They have a short shelf life.
phaster wrote:Actually have been wondering for awhile, if others have considered the possibility of the failure of the economic/finance system failing thus hindering organized society from building various large scale infrastructure needed for people to deal w/ various symptoms of climate change???
Newfie wrote:Phaster,
For quite a while I have felt that the most likely cause of our collapse will be the downfall of the global economic system.
Don’t know when, could be sudden.
2¢
Newfie wrote:Phaster,
For quite a while I have felt that the most likely cause of our collapse will be the downfall of the global economic system.
Don’t know when, could be sudden.
2¢
GHung wrote: We are already seeing this with so many people stubbornly willing to support lunatics like Trump and believing whatever makes the least sense as long as they don't have to face the reality that the ultimate cause is their own behavior.
Viability of society requires stability of underlying systems. Virtually all of our systems are in decline.
EnergyUnlimited wrote:...............
Many people here might be confusing collapse of the West with collapse of the world.
But world can and will exist without the West or with "thirdworlded" West.
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ozcad wrote:Just now I read this thread a couple of pages back and noticed once again how people in the U.S. seem to strongly side with the left or right side of politics.
No philosophy is applicable in all situations.
How long would it take to get somewhere important by only turning left, or only turning right?
I am inclined to think a flexible mixture of solutions, and the ability to accept same would be the go.
phaster wrote:Actually have been wondering for awhile, if others have considered the possibility of the failure of the economic/finance system failing thus hindering organized society from building various large scale infrastructure needed for people to deal w/ various symptoms of climate change???
jedrider wrote:ozcad wrote:Just now I read this thread a couple of pages back and noticed once again how people in the U.S. seem to strongly side with the left or right side of politics.
No philosophy is applicable in all situations.
How long would it take to get somewhere important by only turning left, or only turning right?
I am inclined to think a flexible mixture of solutions, and the ability to accept same would be the go.
Only two sides here: Right and Not-Right.
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