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Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 10 Sep 2019, 18:48:10

Its time to start planning our retreat from the coasts now

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Some coastal cities like New York and Miami are raising their street levels and building higher seawalls in attempt to keep the sea water out. This is futile and a waste of resources.

Its time to start planning our retreat from the coasts now. Rather then wasting money trying to save our existing coastal cities, we'd be smarter to be planning our retreat from all low-lying coastal areas. Then we need to identify safe areas where all the climate refugees can go, and we need to build enough housing for them there.

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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby Ibon » Tue 10 Sep 2019, 18:58:48

Plantagenet wrote:Its time to start planning our retreat from the coasts now

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Some coastal cities like New York and Miami are raising their street levels and building higher seawalls in attempt to keep the sea water out. This is futile and a waste of resources.

Its time to start planning our retreat from the coasts now. Rather then wasting money trying to save our existing coastal cities, we'd be smarter to be planning our retreat from all low-lying coastal areas. Then we need to identify safe areas where all the climate refugees can go, and we need to build enough housing for them there.

Cheers!


It's also time to sell your coastal property ahead of the curve. We close Oct 1 on our last property in Florida. I feel like we are exiting at a good time. Soon coastal properties are going to go down.

You cant get a mortgage without hurricane insurance.

How many are going to be able to afford hurricane insurance that will rise to 5 figures along with property taxes etc. Your talking fixed costs of property tax and insurance well over $ 20k a year.

Good luck.

Imagine if Dorian would have made a major hit in the metropolitan area of Dade/Broward/Palm Beach County. Imagine the implication for insurance rates.

We are very close to a tipping point on the affordability of coastal properties. We are one major catastrophic storm away actually.
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby jedrider » Tue 10 Sep 2019, 22:20:39

Retreat! No, put people in harms way. How many people died in the Bahamas? Population reduction has a long way to go. Admittedly, it's not always pleasant. Who will even take the survivors now? There goes my dream of retiring on a tropical island or, maybe, not. Cheap land.
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 11 Sep 2019, 00:36:59

jedrider wrote:Retreat! No, put people in harms way.


They are already there. Every inch of coastline just about everywhere warm is crowded with a gazillion people.

jedrider wrote:How many people died in the Bahamas? Population reduction has a long way to go..... Who will even take the survivors now?


The Ds. They no longer believe its a crime to cross the US border and they believe the US has an infinite capacity to absorb more immigrants.


jedrider wrote:There goes my dream of retiring on a tropical island or, maybe, not. Cheap land.


You are 100% right. This is the chance of a lifetime to buy some cheap land.

Timing is everything. Go to Bermuda right now and you'll be able to find deals on waterfront property. And there is lots of recycled wood lying around that you can use to build your house.

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Its hard to know which beachfront lot to buy.....

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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 11 Sep 2019, 07:04:54

Ibon,

Back to the physical exercise bit, I’m wondering if there is even more to it. When you exercise, AKA WORK, as in actually moving weight from place to place, it focus your mind in the present and releases hormones that help sooth you.

Perhaps part of our psychosis is that far too many first worldwide have a lot of built up tension due to physical inactivity.

I’m gonna double post this into the Progressive Mental Disease thread and please respond there if you do.
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby jedrider » Wed 11 Sep 2019, 11:53:09

Its hard to know which beachfront lot to buy.....


That's where all the immigrant laborers lived. Many dead will not even be counted according to Paul Beckwith. It is an area purposely meant to be disposable.
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby dohboi » Fri 20 Sep 2019, 16:09:18

In addition to the risk of methane emissions from metastable gas hydrates in intrapermafrost regions of Arctic continental shelves cited in my last post; the linked reference reminds us of the growing carbon emissions from Arctic thermokarst lakes, in the coming decades (with continued warming):

S. Serikova et al. (2019), "High carbon emissions from thermokarst lakes of Western Siberia", Nature Communications, 10, Article number: 1552, DOI: https://doi.org/10.1038/s41467-019-09592-1

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-09592-1

Abstract: "The Western Siberia Lowland (WSL), the world’s largest permafrost peatland, is of importance for understanding the high-latitude carbon (C) cycle and its response to climate change. Warming temperatures increase permafrost thaw and production of greenhouse gases. Also, permafrost thaw leads to the formation of lakes which are hotspots for atmospheric C emissions. Although lakes occupy ~6% of WSL, lake C emissions from WSL remain poorly quantified. Here we show high C emissions from lakes across all permafrost zones of WSL. The C emissions were especially high in shoulder seasons and in colder permafrost-rich regions. The total C emission from permafrost-affected lakes of WSL equals ~12 ± 2.6 Tg C yr−1 and is 2-times greater than region’s C export to the Arctic coast. The results show that C emission from WSL lakes is a significant component in the high-latitude C cycle, but also suggest that C emission may decrease with warming."

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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

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