Newfie wrote:A pretty decent article in Atlantic acknowledging run away warming.
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultu ... pretending
If you’re younger than sixty, you have a good chance of witnessing the radical destabilization of life on earth—massive crop failures, apocalyptic fires, imploding economies, epic flooding, hundreds of millions of refugees fleeing regions made uninhabitable by extreme heat or permanent drought. If you’re under thirty, you’re all but guaranteed to witness it.
Newfie wrote:A pretty decent article in Atlantic acknowledging run away warming.
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultu ... pretending
In this respect, any movement toward a more just and civil society can now be considered a meaningful climate action. Securing fair elections is a climate action. Combating extreme wealth inequality is a climate action. Shutting down the hate machines on social media is a climate action. Instituting humane immigration policy, advocating for racial and gender equality, promoting respect for laws and their enforcement, supporting a free and independent press, ridding the country of assault weapons—these are all meaningful climate actions.
and the phraseShutting down the hate machines on social media is a climate action.
are ,mutually exclusive. You can not both silence those you disagree with and simultaneously promote a free and open press.supporting a free and independent press
Ibon wrote:I regret that I will only witness the opening acts, my daughters will have that pleasure and challenge.
Newfie wrote:TANADA,
Yes I picked up on that as well. That there is some bull in the article is evident, it’s that is has far less bull than most other articles.
Not perfect but good.
Newfie wrote:TANADA,
Yes I picked up on that as well. That there is some bull in the article is evident, it’s that is has far less bull than most other articles.
Not perfect but good.
Ibon wrote:We can choose the high road or the low road.
EnergyUnlimited wrote:Ibon wrote:We can choose the high road or the low road.
Ibon,
There is *only* one road. I have specified how it is looking like.
Another (presumably in your expression a "high") road does not exist.
Even author of the article is recognizing it.
He is more after "amelioration of suffering" or rather postponing it into the future.
And there is a high likelihood that in this future suffering is going to be even more intense and there are fewer survivors.
dohboi wrote:EU wrote: "Could you explain it for me better?
I do not understand this process.
From what I know, heat transfer from surface layer of ocean to deep water is a very slow process."
currents
Ibon wrote:Interesting to consider how inter related terrestrial climate is in how it influences marine environments. Every dry season in Central America brings the arrival of the Papagayo Winds. Due to pressure differences between the atlantic and pacific strong winds move westward over the mountain passes sometimes with gusts almost hurricane strength. These winds end up pushing coastal waters out to sea and this results in a circulating current of deep cold oxygen rich waters moving up to the surface. This is one of the reasons the Pacific fisheries is so abundant here in Panama and Costa Rica.
If climate change would alter those winds the pacific fisheries would decline.
Tanada wrote:Newfie wrote:A pretty decent article in Atlantic acknowledging run away warming.
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultu ... pretending
IMO it is full of muddled thinking for exampleIn this respect, any movement toward a more just and civil society can now be considered a meaningful climate action.
Ibon wrote:gender and racial equality
asg70 wrote:Yep. It's an ideological trojan-horse. It's also part of the same sort of magical thinking that the transition-town movement engages in. When the going gets rough, people are far more likely to fight than to work together. This will especially be true in the case of wave upon wave of climate refugees. Once people really register that we're on a downward spiral with starvation as the endpoint you won't see anything other than lifeboat ethics. Compassion and generosity are a luxury of prosperity/surplus and therefore its days are numbered.
The SJW woke era that we're in now is a sign of peak prosperity as it is a fixation on the very top of maslow's hierarchy of needs. Nobody's going to give a rat's ass about gender pronouns or unisex bathrooms or female Thor and black Little Mermaids when there isn't enough food to go around. Part of dealing with these issues is to recognize the above and focus on essentials of survival rather than protecting fragile snowflake safe-spaces.
EnergyUnlimited wrote:
Their only strenght was in mouth. .
asg70 wrote:We NEED people to think more holistically, more about system-theory. Those noble salt of the earth in Panama aren't doing it, and even if they're not living 1st world lifestyles, they still do their small part to maintain BAU. So there's no reason to glamorize this as it leads to us simply fumbling forward without being able to see 2" in front of our faces. That is a shocking waste of human potential.
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