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THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 01 Sep 2019, 11:41:48

Cog wrote:Biden has lost a lot of his mental sharpness from earlier years, but I do believe he will muddle through and get the nomination.


Can you picture Biden in a debate with Trump? Biden is a human gaffe machine. He is guaranteed to say something stupid or dangerous or embarrassing that would make him look unqualified and too senile to be president.

Of course Trump would also be saying stupid, dangerous, and embarrassing things, but we're mostly used to that by now.

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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby dissident » Mon 02 Sep 2019, 08:07:51

The D. Party pretending to be a normal US party like it was perhaps 50 years ago. Biden is clearly and attempt to pander to the deplorables, i.e. the whites and males in particular but also including any fraction of the oppressed groups that does not goose-step to the new PC totalitarian agenda. If the D. Party was honest it would have fielded a black lesbian female and parade huge posters of Trotsky around.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Newfie » Mon 02 Sep 2019, 08:12:46

Dis,

I think you are wrong. They are being honest, the Democrat party is completely lost, they don’t what they stand for or why we should vote for them. To be honest their posters should have to say “Clueless.”
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby dissident » Mon 02 Sep 2019, 08:56:48

Newfie wrote:Dis,

I think you are wrong. They are being honest, the Democrat party is completely lost, they don’t what they stand for or why we should vote for them. To be honest their posters should have to say “Clueless.”


I don't think they are clueless on PC and identity politics, aka cultural Trotskyism. Marx and communism has nothing to do with it. It is post-Marxism. That is why their economic policy is not pure communism, that is not the center of their ideology.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Newfie » Mon 02 Sep 2019, 09:56:27

OK, I just don't think they are that organized.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 02 Sep 2019, 10:46:47

Newfie wrote: the Democrat party is completely lost, they don’t what they stand for or why we should vote for them


I have to disagree with you on that.

The Ds are choosing their presidential nominee right now. Far from being "lost", they are defining where they are in this process.

There is fight in the D party between the moderate left and the far left. This is nothing new....just about every D primary since 1968 has seen the same fight between moderate left and far left. Biden along with Hickenlooper and Bullock etc. are the candidates of the moderate left wing of the party, and Sanders and Warren and Harris for the far left.

This year the far left wing is even a bit farther left then in past years, with proposals to pay black people reparations for something that ended 150 years ago, to pay gay people reparations, to excuse all student debt, to excuse all medical debt, free medical care for all, open borders, etc. etc. Some of this is pandering and some are real policy proposals. We'll have to wait until 2021 to see which is which.

My guess is that the Ds will eventually wind up nominating a far left candidate, and since every D candidate outpolls Trump, there is a fair chance we'll see President Warren take the oath of office in 2021.

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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby dissident » Mon 02 Sep 2019, 12:19:49

The problem with the D. Party identity politics charity program is that it will make communism look like a viable system. The accounting for the multiple "reparations" BS has been done and there is not enough money on the planet to cover the costs. This SJW brown shirt phenomenon we are seeing is a delta-function of stupidity. That is why it is so dangerous and has the potential to do so much damage. We should not be complacent about it. There was no social media groupthink indoctrination in action during the previous nasty periods of history. That is, the monochrome conformity of millions of zealots was not there.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 03 Sep 2019, 13:42:04

The President can propose, but congress approves. Congress is a significant check on radicalizing and ego.

Still it will be no good swinging to a far left President.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby dissident » Tue 03 Sep 2019, 18:47:15

Newfie wrote:The President can propose, but congress approves. Congress is a significant check on radicalizing and ego.

Still it will be no good swinging to a far left President.


Congress passes its own spending bills and the presidential veto can be defeated if both houses manage to vote 2/3 against. For now the veto would work (with bad optics) but if the SJW revolution gives the D. Party control of both houses with sufficient voting power, then it is clear sailing to oblivion.

https://courses.lumenlearning.com/bound ... -congress/

The House, however, can initiate spending bills and has exclusive authority to impeach officials and choose the President in an Electoral College deadlock.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Revi » Wed 04 Sep 2019, 10:31:45

Hickenlooper is aware of Peak Oil, and used to speak about it before it became unpopular to do so. I think he'd be great, but he is far too behind in the polls to make it as a nominee. It would be great to have a peak oil aware president, but it's not to be...
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Cog » Wed 04 Sep 2019, 11:07:31

Revi wrote:Hickenlooper is aware of Peak Oil, and used to speak about it before it became unpopular to do so. I think he'd be great, but he is far too behind in the polls to make it as a nominee. It would be great to have a peak oil aware president, but it's not to be...


Hickenlooper, although he is a gun banning socialist, is too moderate for the current Marxists running for the Democrat nomination. A white male will never again get the Democratic party nomination. Too much privilege.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Wed 04 Sep 2019, 11:41:25

Plantagenet wrote:
Cog wrote:Biden has lost a lot of his mental sharpness from earlier years, but I do believe he will muddle through and get the nomination.


Can you picture Biden in a debate with Trump? Biden is a human gaffe machine. He is guaranteed to say something stupid or dangerous or embarrassing that would make him look unqualified and too senile to be president.

Of course Trump would also be saying stupid, dangerous, and embarrassing things, but we're mostly used to that by now.
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So that would put them right up there with the moronic things the far left says as a matter of "serious" policy debate.

Cluelessness all around. Sounds about right re modern American politics.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 04 Sep 2019, 21:55:33

Biden just had a blood vessel pop in his left eye as he was doing a CNN Town Hall. This can be caused by high blood pressure.

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Biden has a long history of serious medical problems. He had two serious aneurisms when he was in the Senate and needed months to recover from brain surgery. .......he hasn't released his medical records he had a heart issue in 2008.

Personally, I think Biden's medical records are a lot more important then Trump's taxes. Given Biden's age and his record of very serious medical issues, and now evidence that his blood pressure is so high that his eyeball starts bleeding out live on national TV, I think the other D candidates and the media should demand that Biden release his medical records ASAP.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby jedrider » Thu 05 Sep 2019, 18:25:11

Tanada wrote:
Cog wrote:From my Republican perspective, Trump can beat any of the more radical candidates rather easily, so I'd rather one of them is the nominee. Biden comes across as a more old style Dem that would have a good shot at beating Trump. Biden has lost a lot of his mental sharpness from earlier years, but I do believe he will muddle through and get the nomination.


I think even the leadership of the D party understands that the more radical elements turn away many more "moderates" than they attract, and the M's are the key to winning any election.

President Trump's big policy of MAGA, even as a slogan, attracts moderates. Even more so all he has to do is ask the question Reagan asked in 1984, "Are you better off today than you were four years ago". The Obama economy stunk on ice for middle America and the only people who did very well under it were the coastal elites. Even Joe6P living along the coasts is better off today than he was four years ago, and that is what inflates President Trump's odds of reelection to such a great extent. The D party knows this and their fellow travelers in the MSM are constantly harping "recession is about to burst" because they know unless something sharply changes it doesn't much matter who their nominee is.

All that being said their best strategy is to select someone the M portion of the population finds tolerable as President, like "Uncle Joe" Biden. If they let one of the radicals have it then even a harsh recession might not be enough to let them win as the candidate will be too scary to attract the middle, and without the middle the D wing fails. On the gripping hand if they select Biden and he loses they are still likely to gain seats in state elections and the House of Representatives because those are local elections and a radical candidate can appeal to very local biases to win in a way that fails on the national level.


BAU for the Democratic party? Just like it worked last time against Donald Trump? Biden, to me, is just another Hillary in trousers, this time.

I'm leaning towards Tulsi Gabbard as she can be a relatively unflappable President. That's what the Donald has going for him: He is so ignorant that he is completely unflappable. Yes, the radicals, such as Warren (really, that is radical?) still have to have the personality that Americans crave in a President.

If the Democratic party cannot unite against Republicans, they almost deserve their fate. Uniting means bringing in the younger generations and the more liberal element of the party and not leaving them without enthusiasm for the candidate.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Revi » Fri 06 Sep 2019, 09:07:02

We need to run somebody who can campaign. Obama was a campaigner. "Our Dear Leader" is a campaigner. We need someone who can get on a plane and get people fired up, then do that in every state multiple times. That should be the criteria for a candidate.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Cog » Fri 06 Sep 2019, 10:06:49

Getting people fired up to embrace full on socialism might be more of a trick than you imagine.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Revi » Fri 06 Sep 2019, 10:44:52

Cog wrote:Getting people fired up to embrace full on socialism might be more of a trick than you imagine.


Or how about socialism like they have in Europe, where working people get health care?
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby jedrider » Fri 06 Sep 2019, 11:13:20

Revi wrote:
Cog wrote:Getting people fired up to embrace full on socialism might be more of a trick than you imagine.


Or how about socialism like they have in Europe, where working people get health care?


Let's not get 'radical' now 8)
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 06 Sep 2019, 16:04:34

I think Bernie Sanders new call for more abortions in third world countries will really hurt his campaign. Bernie is already having trouble attracting support in the black community. While technically he is right that population growth does increase climate change, Bernie was really dumb to call for more abortions in third world countries as a way fight climate change.

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Bernie just called for aborting third world babies to stop climate change

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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby jedrider » Fri 06 Sep 2019, 18:49:08

More birth control would have been a better answer. The fetus is life crowd will never be in the Democratic orbit no matter how bad is the Republican or Trump alternative. What the third world should do is not a major concern with the rest of Americans anyway.
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