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International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby Newfie » Fri 03 May 2019, 08:31:49

It would seem the entertainment consists of hurling insults at one another.

Much more interesting that discussing possible future pathways.

Bartlett thought humanity’s biggest failure was not understanding the logarithmic function.

I think it’s our inability to let the past go (Balkanization) and turn to the future where we have the ability to do something positive.

What and when are the next round of climate negotiations?
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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby Ibon » Fri 03 May 2019, 14:04:14

Newfie wrote:It would seem the entertainment consists of hurling insults at one another.



Funny how these discussions here at our resort among our guests when they rarely do happen are always civil.

If anyone comes to this site for much of anything beyond entertainment then one must then reflect on the social dificiencies one is sufferin in their organic social life that they come expecting something more.
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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 03 May 2019, 19:33:31

Newfie wrote:
What and when are the next round of climate negotiations?


The UNFCCC continues to hold meetings, with the next one scheduled for Bonn, Germany in 2019. I'm not sure what the focus of this upcoming meeting will be.

There isn't much for them to do now that they are locked into the Paris Accords except watch global CO2 emissions continue to rise and wait for global temperatures to exceed the limit of 2°C agreed upon in Paris in 2015.

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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 07 May 2019, 20:41:38

Arctic pact scuttled by USA.

The United States has refused to sign an agreement on challenges in the Arctic due to discrepancies over climate change wording, diplomats said on Tuesday, jeopardizing cooperation in the polar region at the sharp edge of global warming.

With Arctic temperatures rising at twice the rate of the rest of the globe, the melting ice is creating potential new shipping lanes and has opened much of the world’s last untapped reserves of oil and gas to commercial exploitation .

A meeting of eight nations bordering the Arctic in Rovaniemi in Finland on Tuesday was supposed to frame a two-year agenda to balance the challenge of global warming with sustainable development of mineral wealth.



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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby asg70 » Wed 08 May 2019, 09:20:45

Newfie wrote:Arctic pact scuttled by USA.


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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 08 May 2019, 11:54:34

No not “Thanks Trump.”

He has given you the gift of being a convenient person to blame. Precious little has been done during Democratic Presidencies.

If you don’t like what he does then ask yourself what POSITIVE CONCRETE steps you have done to forward your position. Which of the 21 (22?) prospective Democrat candidates has a cohesive and intelligent suggested platform for dealing with Climate Change? (None) Writing letters bitching to congressmen doesn’t count, that’s just being a bitch.

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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby dohboi » Wed 08 May 2019, 12:39:15

The world now subsidizes fossil fuels by $5.7 trillion dollars, according to the latest estimates published by the IMF. The biggest contributors are:
China—$1.4T
U.S.—$649B
Russia—$551B
EU—$239 billion
India—$209 billion


Here's the download link: imf.org/~/media/Files/… 1/

[ https://t.co/kHvJzD8I7q ]

https://twitter.com/tsrandall/status/11 ... 3835696128

- Since the language of the Paris Climate Accord was adopted, subsidies of fossil fuels have actually increased—by 11%.

Coal and oil accounted for 85% of the global $5.7 trillion subsidy bill. Renewable power, which isn’t included, gets just $140B. 2/


- The $5.7 trillion fossil fuel subsidy figure includes externalities that aren’t included in the price of fuel: environmental destruction, human illness from pollution, etc. Direct subsidies (pre-tax) are much narrower: $296 billion in 2017. 3/ pic.twitter.com/Y8Ny91XM6f
- The dip in direct fossil-fuel subsidies shown above is primarily a reflection of cheaper prices. Higher prices will bring back subsidies. There's also been subsidy reform in a few oil-producing nations (e.g. gasoline in Saudi Arabia now costs $2/gallon instead of $0.61) 4/
- An interesting note on externalities: It’s not just global warming. For coal, 69% of the cost society bears is from local pollution and the sickness that comes with it. For oil, 38% is local pollution and 36% is auto congestion/crashes 5/
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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 23 Jun 2019, 16:11:21

I’m going a little off topic here but didn’t want to start a new thread of uncertain Provence.

In the news are 2 stories about climate change activism.

First is the story from Oregon where the Democrats want to pass cap and trade legislation, they have enough votes. To stop them the Republicans have fled into hiding to deny a quorum until after June 30 when the senate dissolves.

The other is of hundreds of climate protesters in Germany entering a open air coal mine presumably to shut it down and bring attention to the cause.

Will be interesting to see how these two story lines impact public thought, if at all.
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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby onlooker » Sun 23 Jun 2019, 18:42:55

https://www.independent.co.uk/environme ... 70481.html


A  major study on how to limit global warming could be dropped from formal UN climate talks in Bonn this week after a “gentlemen’s agreement” was made under pressure from Saudi Arabia.
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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby dissident » Sun 23 Jun 2019, 19:05:05

onlooker wrote:https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/un-climate-talks-in-bonn-saudi-arabia-15c-ipcc-rejects-a8970481.html


A  major study on how to limit global warming could be dropped from formal UN climate talks in Bonn this week after a “gentlemen’s agreement” was made under pressure from Saudi Arabia.


Not only is this toilet the premier exporter of terrorism and terrorist radicalization around the world, it is also succeeding at terrorism against climate science and global action on climate change. Meanwhile, western sheeple, fed lies by their fake stream media are looking for Russians under their beds.

The IPCC project is basically corrupted and releases low-ball estimates of climate change. Even though it entrains legitimate researchers to produce its reports, it, like the conductor of the orchestra, gets to spin the results and frame the scope of the research.
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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby asg70 » Sun 23 Jun 2019, 19:27:58

Newfie wrote:He has given you the gift of being a convenient person to blame.


Because he deserves it, as do his brethren GOP in Oregon.

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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 09 Jul 2019, 18:30:14

The Paris Climate Accords will result in an Ice-Free Arctic ocean

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A new analysis suggests an Ice Free Arctic Ocean will happen under the Paris Climate Accords.

So this raises the question...... what in heck was the Paris Accords good for, other then allowing Obama to take a victory lap. The Accords allow INCREASES in CO2 emissions, there are no penalties if countries exceed their promised CO2 emissions, and most countries already are exceeding †heir promised CO2 emissions. And global temps will rise 2° C or more and the Arctic Ocean will go ice free and it will all be perfectly OK according to the Paris Climate Accords.

How exactly is having the Paris Climate Accords any different then not having them? What did they actually accomplish?

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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby asg70 » Tue 09 Jul 2019, 18:39:29

Plant, your enviro-guilt projection posts are boring and repetitive. I don't know who you think you're impressing here because rarely do I ever see anyone bobblehead in agreement for these sorts of offerings. But hey, an NPC doesn't care whether they have an audience. They just keep going and going like a bot.

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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 09 Jul 2019, 19:03:18

asg70 wrote:Plant, your enviro-guilt projection posts are boring and repetitive.


Asg/mos/ennui, your personal attacks and ad hom posts are boring and repetitive.

You seem like a reasonably intelligent person, but I rarely see you contribute anything to these discussions other then personal attacks.

Heres a new idea for you.......how about you hold off on the personal attacks for a just a second and offer an opinion on the subject of this thread? Wow...imagine that!!! Actually commenting on the subject of the thread. Come on, asg,mos,ennui---I'm sure you can do it if you try.

What do you think of this new study that shows that the Paris Accords --- even if countries were keeping to their voluntary pledges which they aren't---- will not prevent the Arctic Ocean going Ice Free?

Apparently you just skipped over this important new study in your rush to do your usual ad hom thing. But I invite you now to offer an opinion on this new study. The link to the study is in my post above....check it out and try engaging in conversation for once. Its possible you have actually have some interesting thoughts on this....if so, lets hear them.

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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby Tanada » Wed 16 Dec 2020, 11:25:20

This short video will tell you everything you need to know about why international agreements must include ALL nations at the same time. No grandfather clauses or grace periods unless equally applied across the globe.

https://youtu.be/9-LUPho8Vf4
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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Wed 16 Dec 2020, 16:53:46

Ibon wrote:
Newfie wrote:It would seem the entertainment consists of hurling insults at one another.



Funny how these discussions here at our resort among our guests when they rarely do happen are always civil.

If anyone comes to this site for much of anything beyond entertainment then one must then reflect on the social dificiencies one is sufferin in their organic social life that they come expecting something more.

Is it really such a bad thing to want to LEARN something? When I initially came here in 2008 (as I recall), it was to learn something about oil. And I have, via folks like rockdoc and rockman and some others who were patient enough to explain things in layman's terms to people like me who are HONEST enough to freely admit I'm a layman (earning a living in the mainframe computer geek business, and not oil).

Now, I'll have to admit, hanging around here for 12+ years AFTER seeing the sad evidence of the signal to BS ratio, yeah, much of that is for the entertainment. So guilty as charged on that (again, being willing to be honest, unlike many with an agenda of spreading pure FUD on the internet).
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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 16 Dec 2020, 22:19:54

Tanada wrote:This short video will tell you everything you need to know about why international agreements must include ALL nations at the same time. No grandfather clauses or grace periods unless equally applied across the globe.

https://youtu.be/9-LUPho8Vf4


I recommend people take five minutes and watch the great video that Tanada has linked to. Those people who say they want to learn and see data and more facts in posts....here it is. This video is pure data...just the facts are presented.

To increase your understanding of this video I suggest that you pay close attention to what happens to CO2 emissions in the USSR after 1991, when the USSR collapses.

Also take a note of what happens to CO2 emissions in China after 1997 when the Kyoto Accords are signed, in which the USA and EU and Japan voluntarily agreed to limit their CO2 emissions while granting China an exemption and granting them the freedom to increase their CO2 emissions without limit.

Then consider the fact that the 2016 Paris Accords repeated the exact same idiotic mistake as the Kyoto Accords, i.e. the US, EU and Japan agreed to voluntarily reduce their CO2 emissions in the Paris Accords, while granting China and also India exemptions and giving them the freedom to increase their CO2 emissions without limit.

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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby ralfy » Thu 17 Dec 2020, 00:52:59

Also, CO2 emissions per capita:

https://ourworldindata.org/per-capita-co2
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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 27 Mar 2021, 21:18:26

Joe Biden is inviting dozens of world leaders, including Putin and Chairman Xi, to a "climate summit" in April.

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It will be a "virtual" summit.

Apparently Joe BIden, Putin, Xi and the rest will all be on Zoom.

Apparently Biden is going to take the "Obama" approach, and commit the US to undertake major reductions in CO2 emissions while not requiring the same thing from China, India, Russia and other countries. This just shows that Joe BIden can't do math, just like Obama. CO2 emissions are growing so rapidly in China and India that US emissions could drop to zero, and increasing CO2 emissions in China and India would replace all US emissions in under a decade.

The only way to reduce global CO2 emissions is to have every country.....and especially India and China.......join the US in committing to stopping the growth in CO2 emissions. The US going it alone isn't going to be
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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 3

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 28 Mar 2021, 19:55:43

Plant,

I have been reading “Done Even Think About It”

https://www.amazon.com/Dont-Even-Think- ... 163286102X

Not quite half way through. It is a good summary if how the human mind has evolved to address threats. There is little to be hopeful about. If it is like almost all books it will end on a positive note about how if we do XYZ now there is still time to save our ass.

I don't think so. If you look at the IPCC (?) carbon budget estimates we have very little room left to make necessary changes. All of our remaining budget needs to ho into the transition, and we are not doing that.

The “good” news is the worst effects kick in after I will be worm food. Not so good for future generations. I have come to see as effectively similar to a giant asteroid, it is coming, it will hit, we are powerless to stop it. That I am a part of that asteroid makes for some sharp irony.

Not to stop you from your posts, please carry on.
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