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Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby jawagord » Sat 02 Mar 2019, 01:03:43

Global warming has definitely run away, February 2019 has been one for the Calgary record books. And I’m sure it is only a coincidence the suns activity was also at an 11 year low?

This past February was one for the record books. Calgary did not have a single “normal” temperature in February, meaning every high, low and mean temperature were below seasonal. Starting Feb. 1, temperatures dropped below freezing and stayed there for all but one hour on Feb. 22.

An incredibly rare occurance, there has only been one month on record where the temperature stayed below freezing for the entire month — in Jan. 1950 the warmest it got was -6.7 C.

By month’s end this year, the mean (or average) temperature for February was -18.7 C, making this the third-coldest February on record, according to Environment Canada climatologists.

https://globalnews.ca/news/5012846/cold ... nt-canada/

The last time a full calendar month passed without a sunspot was August 2008. At the time, the sun was in the deepest Solar Minimum of the Space Age. Now a new Solar Minimum is in progress and it is shaping up to be similarly deep. So far this year, the sun has been blank 73% of the time--the same as 2008.

These minima have been coming and going with regularity since the sunspot cycle was discovered in 1859. However, not all Solar Minima are alike. The last one in 2008-2009 surprised observers with its depth and side-effects. Sunspot counts dropped to a 100-year low; the sun dimmed by 0.1%;[/b]


http://spaceweather.com/archive.php?vie ... &year=2019
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby clif » Sun 03 Mar 2019, 00:03:14

Thanks for the WEATHER report from Calgary,

However it is NOT a climate report for the planet though.............................................................................
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby jawagord » Sun 03 Mar 2019, 11:40:07

clif wrote:Thanks for the WEATHER report from Calgary,

However it is NOT a climate report for the planet though.............................................................................


When does that planet climate report come out, I don’t see it mentioned here often?

I prefer to post local weather stories because I experience it first hand and know them to be true unlike most of the cherry picked weather stories posted here but If I add record cold February news from LA and Vancouver to Calgary does that make it more worldly?

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la- ... story.html

https://globalnews.ca/news/5012882/cold ... vancouver/
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby yellowcanoe » Sun 03 Mar 2019, 11:41:21

clif wrote:Thanks for the WEATHER report from Calgary,


It illustrates what's happening as a result of the weakening of the Polar Vortex - what appears to now be an annual event. The pattern in recent years was for January-February to be warmer than normal and then the jet stream would shift southward resulting in March-April being much colder than normal. This winter the shift happened much earlier - mid January - resulting in a colder winter than normal over much of Canada and the Northern US. We're still locked in that pattern though the long range forecast suggests a noticeable improvement a week from now.
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 03 Mar 2019, 11:56:52

It’s true folks often confuse weather with climate. A few of us are arguing this on another site with a squad of deniers. It’s been an intense argument.

To my mind the warmin is simply unfefutable because of evidence from the Arctic Ice history, the Greenland glacial retreat and Antarctic ice shelf disintegration. One would think the physical events are rather solid evidence but the deniers make obscure comments about sketchy data to undermine the AWG analysis. None save one have come up with any kind of cohesive theory to explain their position. And the one guy with a theory? He claims Earth was warming since 1957 and will now go into a cooling phase. But then argues tooth and jail against slanything that shows a warming thread up to 2016.

Anyway, back to reporting weather. We know from weather reports gathered by scientific explorations and other adventurers that the Arctic had far more ice in the past than it does now. They were weather reports at the time but have since become data points in the AWG climate change model.
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby clif » Sun 03 Mar 2019, 17:04:27

When does that planet climate report come out, I don’t see it mentioned here often?


Well for that you have to do a little work, not try using ONE small weather report to show how much a denier you are.

From one of the articles YOU linked which you obviously hadn't read fully;

Even factoring in the cold snap, <b>California is still warmer than average</b>, and swings between periods of severe winter rainstorms and profound drought will probably become more pronounced in the future because of climate change, said Daniel Swain, a climate scientist at UCLA.


You check out sites like this;

The first month of 2019 was characterized by warmer-than-average conditions across much of the world's surface. The most notable warm temperature anomalies were present across much of Australia and across parts of northeastern and southwestern Asia, where temperature departures from average were 4.0°C (7.2°F) above average or higher. Record warm January surface temperatures were present across much of Australia and its surrounding Southern Ocean, southern Brazil, the ocean off the south coast of South Africa, and across parts of Africa, Asia, and the southeastern Pacific Ocean. Notable cool temperature departures from average were present across parts of northern North America, Europe, and central Asia, where temperatures were 1.0°C (1.8°F) below average or cooler. According to our analysis, no land or ocean surface had record cold January temperatures.

According to our analysis, no land or ocean surface had record cold January temperatures. Averaged as a whole, the January 2019 global land and ocean surface temperature was 0.88°C (1.58°F) above the 20th century average and tied with 2007 as the third highest temperature since global records began in 1880.


https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201901

Or you read something like this;

<b>Why 2019 is Set to Be the Warmest Year Ever</b>

The combined effect of climate change and an evolving El Niño could make 2019 the hottest year ever.

The past three years, from 2015 to 2017, were the warmest ever recorded. And although the current year started off with a moderate La Niña phenomenon—which generally has a cooling effect on global climate—it is going to end up being the fourth warmest year, clearly showing a warming trend.

In fact, the 20 warmest years on record have occurred in the last 22 years. This trend also sits in perfectly with the emission rates of greenhouse gases (GHGs), which were at a record high in 2018 according to the World Meteorological Organisation (WMO).


https://weather.com/en-IN/india/news/ne ... -rise-2019

But I guess it is easier to google looking for stories about WEATHER which meet your preselected views eh?
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby onlooker » Sun 03 Mar 2019, 17:54:52

It is ludicrous to compare weather to climate. Weather is variable/fluctuating, seasonal and over a short period. Climate is a state with specific traits, it is static over shorter periods of time. For example the climate of the tropics or the the interglacial climate or the climate of an era or epoch ie. the Cambrian climate, hothouse Earth, snowball Earth.
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby jawagord » Mon 04 Mar 2019, 02:08:05

clif wrote:
When does that planet climate report come out, I don’t see it mentioned here often?


Well for that you have to do a little work, not try using ONE small weather report to show how much a denier you are.

From one of the articles YOU linked which you obviously hadn't read fully;

Even factoring in the cold snap, <b>California is still warmer than average</b>, and swings between periods of severe winter rainstorms and profound drought will probably become more pronounced in the future because of climate change, said Daniel Swain, a climate scientist at UCLA.


You check out sites like this;

The first month of 2019 was characterized by warmer-than-average conditions across much of the world's surface. The most notable warm temperature anomalies were present across much of Australia and across parts of northeastern and southwestern Asia, where temperature departures from average were 4.0°C (7.2°F) above average or higher. Record warm January surface temperatures were present across much of Australia and its surrounding Southern Ocean, southern Brazil, the ocean off the south coast of South Africa, and across parts of Africa, Asia, and the southeastern Pacific Ocean. Notable cool temperature departures from average were present across parts of northern North America, Europe, and central Asia, where temperatures were 1.0°C (1.8°F) below average or cooler. According to our analysis, no land or ocean surface had record cold January temperatures.

According to our analysis, no land or ocean surface had record cold January temperatures. Averaged as a whole, the January 2019 global land and ocean surface temperature was 0.88°C (1.58°F) above the 20th century average and tied with 2007 as the third highest temperature since global records began in 1880.


https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201901

Or you read something like this;

<b>Why 2019 is Set to Be the Warmest Year Ever</b>

The combined effect of climate change and an evolving El Niño could make 2019 the hottest year ever.

The past three years, from 2015 to 2017, were the warmest ever recorded. And although the current year started off with a moderate La Niña phenomenon—which generally has a cooling effect on global climate—it is going to end up being the fourth warmest year, clearly showing a warming trend.

In fact, the 20 warmest years on record have occurred in the last 22 years. This trend also sits in perfectly with the emission rates of greenhouse gases (GHGs), which were at a record high in 2018 according to the World Meteorological Organisation (WMO).


https://weather.com/en-IN/india/news/ne ... -rise-2019

But I guess it is easier to google looking for stories about WEATHER which meet your preselected views eh?


No offence to the Indian weather network but let’s use the NASA dataset, 2018 temperature anomaly was less than 2017 which was less than 2016, global temperatures have peaked and are cooling down so the “runaway” has currently stopped, no denying the data.

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/gl ... mperature/
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby clif » Mon 04 Mar 2019, 19:45:42

global temperatures have peaked and are cooling down so the “runaway” has currently stopped, no denying the data.


Damn are you this dense or just dishonest.

The scam you are trying to push is a two year SLIGHT decline while the six preceeding years were increasing.What you seem to miss whether by accident of omission is there has been SLIGHT declines before but the over all climate is increasing since 1900.....

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see the black line in case you actually are this dense ..............................
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby jupiters_release » Mon 04 Mar 2019, 20:51:23

Not to mention any cooling is all geoengineered.
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby dohboi » Wed 17 Apr 2019, 19:36:53

Thawing Permafrost Emitting Higher Levels of Potent Greenhouse Gas Than Previously Thought: Study

N2O "has conventionally been assumed to have minimal emissions in permafrost regions," the report said, citing research published in the 1990s.

But the new study's findings challenge that assumption.

A team of researchers, led by Harvard University scientists, used a small plane to measure greenhouse gas levels over 120 square miles of thawing permafrost in the North Slope of Alaska. They found that in just one month of 2013, emissions of nitrous oxide in the region reached what was previously believed to be the yearly total.

"This revelation could mean that the Arctic—and our global climate—are in more danger than we thought," explained a statement from Harvard


What is clear, though, is that "much smaller increases in nitrous oxide would entail the same kind of climate change that a large plume of CO2 would cause," Wilkerson said.

The team's findings align with other recent studies that have relied on chambers—or "covered, pie plate-sized containers planted into tundra"—or the extraction of cylindrical "cores" from the permafrost to measure greenhouses gases, according to Harvard's statement.

The new study, said Wilkerson, "makes those findings quite a bit more serious."

The findings also bolster experts' previous warnings that policymakers around the world aren't adequately considering the impacts of permafrost thaw in their plans—based on the goals of the Paris climate agreement—to cut down planet-heating emissions and prevent climate catastrophe.


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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby longpig » Fri 19 Apr 2019, 00:43:44

Climate Science for the Layman - Professor Happer

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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby dohboi » Fri 19 Apr 2019, 21:34:27

"Happer ... has no formal training in climate science"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Happer
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby dissident » Sat 20 Apr 2019, 00:35:41

dohboi wrote:"Happer ... has no formal training in climate science"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Happer


The usual denier kook. When a clown does not identify and quantify the supposed "natural causes" besides CO2 and other anthropogenic green house gases accumulating in the atmosphere, then he has negative credibility. Every single claim about natural causes trotted out by deniers has been debunked into oblivion. It's not the Sun (we know hat the TSI is) and it's not the clouds (no trends exist in the measurements). Then we have the mystical "variability" where kooks try to palm off ENSO type atmosphere-ocean heat exchanges as if they are some sort of contradiction to the net accumulation of heat by the combined ocean-atmosphere system.

The only factors controlling the global ocean-atmosphere heat content are:

1) Surface and cloud albedo. Orbital variations change the insolation pattern and surface albedo impact.

2) Radiative composition of the atmosphere which is dominated by greenhouse gases. Over 99% of the atmosphere (O2 + N2 + Argon) does not absorb IR radiation and thus does not maintain the temperature of the system. Water vapour is governed by the Clausius-Clapeyron relation. There are no runaway evapouration events on this planet. Water is more potent as an IR absorber compared to CO2 and if the mystical variability was a valid excuse, we would have self-bootstrapping of water vapour loading in the atmosphere. But it is just too cold in the upper troposphere and high latitudes for water to keep accumulating without condensation. The Earth had over 95% CO2 atmosphere and all the water in vapour form for millions of years after its formation. But there was net loss of heat in this system that eventually gave us oceans and CO2 sequestered into calcium carbonate rocks. At no subsequent time did we have water vapour driven warming events.

CO2 emissions from volcanoes are constrained and average about 600 million tons per year. Humans are emitting over 30 billion tons per year. But humans also emit N2O, PCFCs, SF6 and other greenhouse gases. Anybody looking for natural sources overshadowing human inputs is totally detached from a basic education and reality.

3) Solar flux, which is affected by orbital geometry to some extent.

We can constrain all three of these processes sufficiently to determine if warming is occurring and why. Internal heat exchanges between the ocean an the atmosphere do not warm the combined system, obviously. Nonlinear advective transport averages out in the global mean. In particular, there is no net movement of mass of atmospheric layers towards the ground or away from it (what goes up must come down). The denier talking point about some cold spell in their local neighbourhood is utterly irrelevant since as they freeze, somewhere else the permafrost is melting. The key word is global and that is all that matters since we are inside this global system.
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby jupiters_release » Sat 20 Apr 2019, 02:11:15

dissident wrote:
dohboi wrote:"Happer ... has no formal training in climate science"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Happer


The usual denier kook.


He's very giddy, fidgety, and blinks way too much. He's not a denier, just a poor liar. Must be getting paid well for his services.
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby longpig » Sun 21 Apr 2019, 22:58:54

There is no man made global warming. To become a climate scientist you have to toe the line otherwise you will not be hired or fired, their job is to push the notion on to the public, they do not engage in science. There is no such thing as carbon pollution, it is the same as pointing to a puddle and proclaiming the water there is pollution or the O2 is causing pollution. CO2 makes up just 0.0413% of the atmosphere where as water vapour generally comprises between 1%-4% and is a more potent green house gas than CO2. How can CO2 be the major cause of global warming when water vapour is on average 100 times more prevalent and a more potent green house gas?

Pull your heads from out of your arse, the debate is over and man made global warming is a complete hoax and fraud.

Try reading the FAQ here https://co2coalition.org/frequently-asked-questions/ for a starting point for your education.
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby clif » Mon 22 Apr 2019, 02:36:44

The George C. Marshall Institute, a Washington, D.C., think tank that has cast doubt on the science behind global warming for years, closed its doors in September.

The institute, which had a twin focus on defense and climate change denial and had been funded by a number of fossil fuel interests, including the ExxonMobil Foundation, morphed into a nonprofit called the CO2 Coalition in August.

The CO2 Coalition is headed by William Happer and William O'Keefe, CEO and former chief operating officer of the American Petroleum Institute, an industry group.


Nuff said..........
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby yellowcanoe » Mon 22 Apr 2019, 06:36:54

clif wrote:
The George C. Marshall Institute, a Washington, D.C., think tank that has cast doubt on the science behind global warming for years, closed its doors in September.

The institute, which had a twin focus on defense and climate change denial and had been funded by a number of fossil fuel interests, including the ExxonMobil Foundation, morphed into a nonprofit called the CO2 Coalition in August.

The CO2 Coalition is headed by William Happer and William O'Keefe, CEO and former chief operating officer of the American Petroleum Institute, an industry group.


Nuff said..........


Well at least they had the decency to rename their organization. George C. Marshall was a very intelligent man so it is highly questionable that he would be a climate change denialist were he to still be alive today.
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby longpig » Mon 22 Apr 2019, 09:14:03

Thing I am most concerned about is declining habitat for wildlife, rapid decline of insects, over fishing. Those are the most important issues, things like plastics entering the oceans are bad too but over time they will degrade away and become pristine again, but if we lose our forests we'll lose all the unique plants and creatures in them and we'll never be able to get them back, I would prefer mankind to cease to exist before that completely ever happens.

I understand people wanting to help the environment by moving to green energy thinking they are helping the environment and even if that is possible, it won't do anything for the environment, people are focusing on moving to green energy that it will somehow allow economies to keep growing sustainably, this will not prevent the continual decline and eventual extinction of flora and fauna. The climate change agenda is pushed by government and media world wide with the goal of taxing western nations and allowing the third world to pollute to excess. The rapidly expanding third world developing populations and economies are responsible for the current environmental destruction today and for the foreseeable future.

40 million years ago the Earth was full of forests, there was life very similar to today, mammals were doing fine and men were monkey's then and the CO2 levels were well over 1000 parts per million in the atmosphere. The carbon cycle diagram they show as a closed looped system is not correct, throughout the cycle a percentage of carbon continually is trapped underground and if that process continues plants will eventually stagnate and die off. The only positive thing humans have done for the environment is the burning of fossil fuels and releasing the carbon gases that have become trapped under the Earth.
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby dohboi » Mon 22 Apr 2019, 11:08:00

lp, there is a special thread for comments claiming things like 'CC is a hoax.' Please restrict such comments to that thread, so that the adults in the room can carry on with an intelligent conversation. Thanks.
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