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Special Counsel Thread Pt. 3

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Re: The Mueller "investigation" is over.

Unread postby Cog » Sun 24 Mar 2019, 21:16:22

Yeah Pops you and your Dems wasted two years of the country's time with your witch-hunt. Your apology, I won't hold my breath for.
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Re: Special Counsel Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Mon 25 Mar 2019, 05:40:50

What little I watched last night (My wife has had her fill of it so let her have the remote) the Democrats are in full denial and intend to press on with Congressional investigations. They should drop it, apologize, and move on to issues that would help their candidate in 2020. Instead they will beat this dead horse and hand Trump the win.
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Re: Special Counsel Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Cog » Mon 25 Mar 2019, 07:42:08

Trump works best if he has an enemy to attack. Whether that be fake media or fake investigations. He has plenty of material now to use against all the Dems who bought into this collusion narrative. He can also point out that if the machine of the Deep State can be used against the president, the Dems will not hesitate to use it against the average citizen. You can call it stoking fear but I'm going to clue people in here.

If you have followed this story from the beginning, you have very good reason to fear an out of control judicial and law enforcement system. Ideally, the government should fear the people. That is what the Founders intended with the separation of powers and the 2nd Amendment. But now, the reverse it true.
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Re: Special Counsel Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Newfie » Mon 25 Mar 2019, 08:02:58

Like it or not Mueller gave Trump a wonderful gift to launch his re-election campaign. Great timing.
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Re: Special Counsel Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Mon 25 Mar 2019, 14:00:20

And now Michael Avenatti is arrested for extortion attempting to shake down Nike for twenty million. How long before they realize that Stormy Daniels and Avenatti were extorting Trump during the campaign and should be indicted for that crime.?
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Re: Special Counsel Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Cog » Mon 25 Mar 2019, 14:25:51

Avenatti is also being charged on the West Coast for tax evasion and fraud. One thing for sure, he won't be a factor with Donald Trump any longer.
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Re: Special Counsel Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Mon 25 Mar 2019, 15:29:03

If they don't indict and arrest Daniels and the other Bimbo on extortion charges every future candidate will be an easy target for any "victim" sent out by the opposition party. The Russians and Chinese are most likely sending out honey traps today to get close to all the potential candidates so they can spring the traps when most useful to them.
I know I'm a paranoid cynic but don't bet against that.
Also the mainstream media needs to realize that they have been acting as useful idiots for the Russians for the last two years ,trying to bring down the US government and create chaos, weakening the US position on the world stage.
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Re: Special Counsel Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 25 Mar 2019, 22:16:18

vtsnowedin wrote:...the mainstream media needs to realize that they have been acting as useful idiots for the Russians for the last two years ,trying to bring down the US government and create chaos, weakening the US position on the world stage.


Nah... the MSM has been acting as useful idiots for the Ds.

Its true the Russians are probably laughing up their sleeves at the way the disinformation they provided to Christopher Steele wound up being embraced by Obama's FBI, and has now been disrupting the US for over two years, but the MSM was never directly controlled by the Russians--the MSM was doing the bidding of the Ds.

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Re: Special Counsel Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Tue 26 Mar 2019, 00:49:27

Perhaps it would be more accurate to say the useful idiots being manipulated by the Russians are the DNC but the fact that the mainstream media did not catch on is pretty idiotic as well. Useful idiots do not realize they are being manipulated of course so can range from foot solider to general and every level between.
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Re: The Mueller "investigation" is over.

Unread postby dissident » Sun 07 Apr 2019, 10:15:15

Pops wrote:Great.
I was sure the russians did it, turns out we screwed ourselves.


The Ukrainian regime was the one that was actually involved in meddling. America needs to learn how not to sleep with dogs since it is always catching their fleas.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03- ... y-election
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Re: Special Counsel Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sun 07 Apr 2019, 10:44:48

An investigation or trial always concludes with one or two words. Guilty or Not guilty. AG Barr did not need four pages to summarize the Muller report , just two words. No matter what comes out within the four hundred or so pages, redacted or not, it will not change the final two words. If forty democratic lawyers spending twenty five million dollars could not come to Guilty then certainly Congress can do no better.
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Re: Special Counsel Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Cog » Sun 07 Apr 2019, 13:20:30

The latest spin from Dems like Nadler and Schiff is that while there might not be criminal collusion or obstruction, in a practical sense Trump committed those offenses if we think he did. A very nebulous standard in play here.
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Re: Special Counsel Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby dissident » Sun 07 Apr 2019, 15:25:38

Cog wrote:The latest spin from Dems like Nadler and Schiff is that while there might not be criminal collusion or obstruction, in a practical sense Trump committed those offenses if we think he did. A very nebulous standard in play here.


This is the real threat to America. Not phantom foreign enemies too busy with their own problems, but lunatic self-anointed morally superior do-gooders who are undermining the rule of law and turning justice and due process into a political farce. Looking back at McCarthyism it was nothing like the abuse we see today. That various careers were ruined back then, is now replaced with more ruined careers and jail time for people based on utterly unrelated activity and entrapment.
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Re: Special Counsel Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Cog » Sun 07 Apr 2019, 16:33:38

Cid_Yama wrote:So your argument is, that it's ok that Trump is an agent of Russia working against the interests of the of the United States, in the office of the President, because why again?

I seem to miss the relevance of your posts.

It doesn't matter. According to Rosenstein, the investigation is about to rap up in the next couple of months, and all the cards will be on the table.

"Put up or shut up?" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Really looking forward to this.


Some posts age well and some not so well. What say you now Cid? :lol:
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Re: Special Counsel Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 07 Apr 2019, 23:15:21

A federal appeals court has just ruled that grand jury information must be kept confidential.

mueller-report-attorney-general-grand-jury-information

This new court ruling means that it would be illegal for AG Barr to release those parts of the Mueller report that contain grand jury testimony, or anything arising out of that testimony.

Well....that settles that. I'm sure the Ds will piss and moan and wail but its against the law to make those parts of the Mueller report public that have anything to do with the grand jury....and thats most of the report. No doubt it will all become public eventually when some D breaks the law and leaks it, but in the near term the AG is now prohibited from releasing big parts of it.

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Re: Special Counsel Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Cog » Mon 08 Apr 2019, 04:02:39

This is the same law governing special counsel conduct, that Democrats helped write after the salacious details of Monica and Bill having sex in the Oval Office were released to the public. The Dems knew full well you can't release this information.

When you think about it there is good reason not to include grand jury testimony in any release. The grand jury system is a pretty one-sided affair. The normal protections a defendant receives in the adversarial system at trial are not afforded a defendant during a grand jury proceeding. The grand jury only hears evidence that the prosecutor wants them to hear. In a trial, defense counsel can get this same evidence suppressed due to some matter of law which excludes it.
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Re: Special Counsel Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Newfie » Fri 12 Apr 2019, 13:33:53

Sounds like Barr may be going back to look at how the FISA documents were prepared.

In the back of my head I wonder if Mueller found some unseemly activity by FBI/Justice, which influenced the final report. Perhaps he recognized the FISA documents were not what they were avered to be.

This could get ugly.

First read this:

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/th ... barrs-cons
Then this:

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com ... pying.html
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Re: Special Counsel Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 12 Apr 2019, 15:55:31

Newfie wrote:In the back of my head I wonder if Mueller found some unseemly activity by FBI/Justice, which influenced the final report. Perhaps he recognized the FISA documents were not what they were avered to be.


Yup.

The Obama FBI/DOJ filed three FISA application to spy on Carter Page and the Trump Campaign. They swore in the FISA papers that they knew that Carter Page was an evil Russian agent working to damage the United States.

And yet.....when the Mueller Investigation got going...he ENDED the FISA surveillance as soon as he could. And now two years later Carter Page has been charged with ...... nothing.

This means the whole Obama FBI/DOJ premise for spying on Carter Page and the Trump Campaign was based on iies.

It also means Mueller knew back in early 2017 that the DOJ/FBI had lied about Carter Page and the sworn documents they sent to the courts as part of the FISA process were frauds and lies. Mueller knew two years ago the basis for the investigation of Trump was phony and fraudulent and deeply flawed and there was no collusion.......and yet he never issued an interim report to clear this up.

Mueller covered up what he knew in order to let the Ds use the Trump-Russia collusion lie as a campaign issue in the 2018 election.

Mueller is a disgrace. The whole purpose of the special counsel investigation was to determine if Trump was a Russian agent of if he obstructed justice......and then Mueller delays for two years on clearing trump and he punts in his final report on even giving his opinion on the obstruction issue?

Sheesh....IMHO Mueller wasted tens of millions of dollars and miserably failed the country.
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Re: Special Counsel Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 13 Apr 2019, 23:51:26

Andrew McCarthy has just raised an interesting question.

The US has just suffered through a two year long special counsel investigation of Trump based on the absurd idea that Trump has colluded with the Russians. Now that Mueller has cleared Trump, we see the DOJ indict Julian Assange on an old espionage charge related to Chelsea Manning's leaks of classified into.

But what don't we see? Why isn't the DOJ indicting Assange for colluding with the Russians?

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McCarthy contends the DOJ hasn't charged Assange with colluding with Russia because they don't have firm evidence to prove he colluded with Russia.....If they charged Assange with colluding with Russia they'd actually have to present their evidence in court during the extradition hearings. But if there is no good evidence then they would try to avoid that.

Which casts further doubt on the idea that the FBI ever really knew much of anything before starting up their unnecessary spying on Trump.

Which makes it look more and more like this all started because the Obama administration saw an excuse to engage in political spying on Trump.

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Re: Special Counsel Thread Pt. 3

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 15 Apr 2019, 15:33:11

Its interesting how the Mueller people have been leaking to the press about this.

Supposedly people in the DOJ and FBI don't leak to the press. There are even laws against it.

But I guess if you are a Trump hater the rules that apply to other people don't apply to you, for your cause is just!

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