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Re: Guy McPherson

Unread postby Revi » Wed 03 Apr 2019, 07:14:03

I would love to see it. I don't agree with his fast extinction theory, but I would like to see the information he presents to support it. It's bad enough what's happening. Just the facts are scary enough without any extrapolation!
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Re: Guy McPherson

Unread postby jupiters_release » Wed 03 Apr 2019, 23:47:31

Revi wrote:I would love to see it. I don't agree with his fast extinction theory, but I would like to see the information he presents to support it. It's bad enough what's happening. Just the facts are scary enough without any extrapolation!


Where have you been? He's presented the data for years now ad nauseam.
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Re: Guy McPherson

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 04 Apr 2019, 00:01:16

jupiters_release wrote:
Revi wrote:I would love to see it. I don't agree with his fast extinction theory, but I would like to see the information he presents to support it. It's bad enough what's happening. Just the facts are scary enough without any extrapolation!


Where have you been? He's presented the data for years now ad nauseam.


1. Its different seeing and hearing someone speak in person then it is to watch them on a youtube recording. Its like the difference between hearing some rock group on a cassette tape as opposed to seeing them in person. In person is lots more better.

2. The "data" keeps being updated. For instance, we just had the warmest March on record here in Alaska, and sea ice in the Bering Sea and Arctic Ocean around Alaska is at all time record lows this spring. I'm curious to see if Guy will discuss this, and what the Professors here at the University of Alaska---who have spent their careers monitoring climate and sea ice and snow cover in the Arctic will have to say about it.

3. I have some questions I'd like to ask Guy myself.

4. I'm bringing some friends along ---mostly rational people but with one very intelligent but very stubborn denier---and it will fun to go to a nice quiet little bar I know afterward and discuss what we just heard over a beer.

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Re: Guy McPherson

Unread postby Cog » Thu 04 Apr 2019, 00:17:58

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Re: Guy McPherson

Unread postby Revi » Thu 04 Apr 2019, 09:25:18

jupiters_release wrote:
Revi wrote:I would love to see it. I don't agree with his fast extinction theory, but I would like to see the information he presents to support it. It's bad enough what's happening. Just the facts are scary enough without any extrapolation!


Where have you been? He's presented the data for years now ad nauseam.


I know. I follow Arctic News by Sam Carana. It's the latest news on what's going on. Most of it is pretty good.

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Re: Guy McPherson

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 07 Apr 2019, 00:20:13

I went to both of Guy's lectures and then I went to a small party for Guy. The first lecture was primarily on the data that Guy believes shows the world is headed for imminent doom. The second lecture was Guy fumbling around with the idea of imminent doom and the psychological impacts of such belief. The party was pleasant and a nice chance to chat with Guy a bit in an informal, non-structured setting.

I came away with a mixed impression. Guy really knows the scientific literature, but he does cherry pick just those studies that support his view. In fact you get the impression the "doomer" mindset came first and then a search for data to confirm it.

Guy pretty much presents his contention that world will in "three years" as settled and beyond debate. He refers people to his website if they question the idea that everyone will be dead in three years.

Guy's main interest now is the psychological impact of "knowing" the world will end in three years. Guy is "in press" with a new peer reviewed article on the psychological impact of imminent global doom, and his suggestion is that we need a "global hospice" to help everyone deal with it. And he also thinks we should find love and dance and generally find our own personal joy however possible before the world ends in three years.

Personally I found him to be personally charming, very intelligent, and a very very good lecturer. He is a little impatient with people who question him. There is also a slight edge of desperation about money. For instance they passed the hat for a "love offering" for Guy during the lecture, and Guy frequently mentioned his lack of income for his work.

But my overall impression is positive. But then, I'm also convinced that global warming will bring us doom eventually. I can't quite see how everyone on earth is supposed to die in 3 years, as Guy strenuously asserts. Ask me three years from now if he was right or wrong about it.

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Re: Guy McPherson

Unread postby jedrider » Sun 07 Apr 2019, 01:04:03

Guy is an optimist! If I'm going to go and see the people around me go, I want it to be quick.
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Re: Guy McPherson

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Sun 07 Apr 2019, 03:40:49

Guy is an aging person. He believes that together with him everyone else will die (and such view is correct from a personal perspective of *anyone* who is about to die).
I would not be surprised, if he has commited suicide within said 3 years or so.
Another well respected doomer (founder of #collapsenet#, forgot his name) have done just that.
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Re: Guy McPherson

Unread postby onlooker » Sun 07 Apr 2019, 09:30:55

EnergyUnlimited wrote:Guy is an aging person. He believes that together with him everyone else will die (and such view is correct from a personal perspective of *anyone* who is about to die).
I would not be surprised, if he has commited suicide within said 3 years or so.
Another well respected doomer (founder of #collapsenet#, forgot his name) have done just that.

Perhaps we can forgo casting aspersions on the messenger and focus on the message. Energy means Michael Ruppert
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Re: Guy McPherson

Unread postby dissident » Sun 07 Apr 2019, 10:26:35

Shooting the messenger is stupid if he is just a messenger. The problem with doom prophets is that they are like the boy who cried wolf. Every time their ridiculously over-estimated timeline fails to materialize, they just affirm the delusions of the BAU crowd. Since the BAU crowd is the majority, the doom prophets achieve the opposite of what they want.

We need more messengers like Hanson and less of the fringe variety. We also need changes in the law where assorted shills working for fossil fuel interests cannot give science advice. Just like is the case for medicine and even stock investments.
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Re: Guy McPherson

Unread postby onlooker » Sun 07 Apr 2019, 12:17:25

dissident wrote:Shooting the messenger is stupid if he is just a messenger. The problem with doom prophets is that they are like the boy who cried wolf. Every time their ridiculously over-estimated timeline fails to materialize, they just affirm the delusions of the BAU crowd. Since the BAU crowd is the majority, the doom prophets achieve the opposite of what they want.

We need more messengers like Hanson and less of the fringe variety. We also need changes in the law where assorted shills working for fossil fuel interests cannot give science advice. Just like is the case for medicine and even stock investments.

Fully agree D. Premature calls on doom have already compromised the message. Even though the message is accurate and soundly based.
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Infinte scream

Unread postby Whitefang » Wed 10 Apr 2019, 08:02:19

https://arctic-news.blogspot.com/

Thanks Plant for updating us on that guy his latest.
Guy his alias website and way to go Sam personality disorder....hihi

Indeed, at the end of March 2019, it felt like an infinite scream passing through nature! On March 31, 2019, 12:00 UTC, the Arctic was 7.7°C or 13.86°F warmer than 1979-2000, as above image shows, while in parts of Alaska the anomaly was at the top end of the scale, i.e. 30°C or 54°F above 1979-2000, as discussed in an earlier post.

What caused this to eventuate? Firstly, as the Arctic is warming faster than the rest of the world, the temperature difference between the North Pole and the Equator is narrowing, which is slowing down the overall speed at which the jet stream is circumnavigating Earth, while it also is making the jet stream wavier, enabling warm air from the Atlantic Ocean and Pacific Ocean to more easily enter the Arctic, while also enabling cold air from the Arctic to more easily descend over Asia and North America.


At the same time, global warming is making oceans warmer. Sea surface temperatures were high in the path of the jet stream on March 15, 2019, as above image shows. The sea surface was 10.8°C or 19.4°F warmer than 1981-2011 at the green circle in the left panel of above image. On that day, surface air temperature there was as high as 7.9°C or 46.2°F, and there were cyclonic wind patterns, as the right panel of above image shows.
High sea surface temperatures are causing winds over oceans to get much stronger than they used to be at this time of year.
The image on the right shows that, on March 15, 2019, the jet stream reached speeds as high as 386 km/h or 240 mph at the green circle. These stronger winds then collide at high speed with the air in front of them. This collision occurs with an even greater force, due to low temperatures over North America and due to the lower overall speed at which the jet stream circumnavigates Earth. All this makes that air gets strongly pushed aside toward the Arctic and the Equator.
On March 30, 2019, strong winds pushed warm air into Bering Strait, resulting in temperatures as high as 2.5°C or 36.4°F, as the image below illustrates.


So the Northern Pacific is a heat engine for the Arctic, The Alaska Range including that high Denali one, Coastal ranges, the highest in the world, Yukon Mckenzie and Rockies act like a barrier for the jet, making the scream, eddies of highs and lows pulling warm air and moisture into the arctic, pushing cold air south. Same for Baffin and Greenland, another barrier for the already damaged jet. The cold blob around and south of Greenland will grow, arctic sea ice down from Nova Zembla to the East, at some point the jet will choose to circle around Greenland and its cold blob, giving a completely different world to live in. Depending on the season and topography, steering the highs and lows, monsoon rains on the arctic shores East and West.

Looks like triple R is back, dry summer forecast for the westcoast.

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Sam C. screaming

Unread postby Whitefang » Tue 16 Apr 2019, 14:18:17

https://arctic-news.blogspot.com/

Late last month, wind patterns over the North Pacific and North America resembled a screaming face.
The Arctic was as much as 7.7°C or 13.86°F warmer than 1979-2000, while in parts of Alaska the temperature anomaly was at the top end of the scale, i.e. 30°C or 54°F above 1979-2000.
On April 14, 2019, wind patterns over the North Atlantic resembled a growling face, as highlighted by the red ellipse on the image.
Temperatures over Greenland were as high as 14.9°C or 58.7°F at 1000 hPa at the spot marked by the green circle.
On the left, the image shows winds at 250 hPa dipping over the U.S., enabling cold winds to descend deep down over North America.


I guess Sam has been smoking wacky tabacky and looking at nullschool too long..... 8)
But then then the heat is on, climate chaos is here now as we are speeding into the unknown.
Besides Earth Nullschool is one of the best online live tools for monitoring abrupt CC.
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Re: Guy McPherson

Unread postby asg70 » Wed 17 Apr 2019, 08:15:17

onlooker wrote:Fully agree D. Premature calls on doom have already compromised the message. Even though the message is accurate and soundly based.


Maybe you feel this way but the monolithic nature of your appeals to authority demonstrate that you don't know how to validate credible sources.
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Re: Guy McPherson

Unread postby Revi » Fri 17 May 2019, 09:23:26

I like checking out Arctic News, and it seems to be pretty reasonable information. Scary, but maybe reasonable...

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Re: Guy McPherson

Unread postby AdamB » Fri 17 May 2019, 11:21:00

EnergyUnlimited wrote:Another well respected doomer (founder of #collapsenet#, forgot his name) have done just that.


In what way was Mike Ruppert well respected?
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Re: Guy McPherson

Unread postby Revi » Fri 17 May 2019, 12:52:58

AdamB wrote:
EnergyUnlimited wrote:Another well respected doomer (founder of #collapsenet#, forgot his name) have done just that.


In what way was Mike Ruppert well respected?


He was right about a lot of things.
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Re: Guy McPherson

Unread postby AdamB » Fri 17 May 2019, 22:19:48

Revi wrote:
AdamB wrote:
EnergyUnlimited wrote:Another well respected doomer (founder of #collapsenet#, forgot his name) have done just that.


In what way was Mike Ruppert well respected?


He was right about a lot of things.


Really? Anything in particular that struck you are significant?
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Re: Guy McPherson

Unread postby Revi » Tue 21 May 2019, 09:18:29

AdamB wrote:
Revi wrote:
AdamB wrote:
EnergyUnlimited wrote:Another well respected doomer (founder of #collapsenet#, forgot his name) have done just that.


In what way was Mike Ruppert well respected?


He was right about a lot of things.


Really? Anything in particular that struck you are significant?

He was right about the CIA drug trade in Central America and here in the US. He was right about Peak Oil.
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Re: Guy McPherson

Unread postby AdamB » Tue 21 May 2019, 15:09:11

Revi wrote:
AdamB wrote:Really? Anything in particular that struck you are significant?

He was right about the CIA drug trade in Central America and here in the US. He was right about Peak Oil.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoP2suRSLFg


See the color of his face Revi? That was one of his Colorado videos. Are you sure you don't want to reference some of his non flushed face and overly animated work? You do know that his time in Colorado was when he was curing himself of alcohol dependency by apparently, you know, drinking?

He copy catted Gary Webb about the CIA drug trade. When he talked about it BEFORE Webb wrote his Dark Alliance series, he claimed he was being co-opted by the CIA because of Iranians and organized crime. He stopped saying that after Gary Webb published, and invented a new story.

And of course he was wrong about Peak Oil. He began talking about it having happened closer even to the turn of the century than Deffeyes. Some 15 million barrels a day ago now? Lots of folks got that one wrong, but Mike doesn't get to put that one in the right column at all.

Come on Revi, something Mike was right about? And please don't let me bring up the child molester he was supporting so enthusiastically as a naval intelligence officer, it turns my stomach that a beat cop like Mike was willing to pimp that stupid story and couldn't smell con man/child molester stamped all over that guy just to advance his own book interests.
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