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Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby clif » Sat 02 Mar 2019, 23:03:14

Thanks for the WEATHER report from Calgary,

However it is NOT a climate report for the planet though.............................................................................
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby jawagord » Sun 03 Mar 2019, 10:40:07

clif wrote:Thanks for the WEATHER report from Calgary,

However it is NOT a climate report for the planet though.............................................................................


When does that planet climate report come out, I don’t see it mentioned here often?

I prefer to post local weather stories because I experience it first hand and know them to be true unlike most of the cherry picked weather stories posted here but If I add record cold February news from LA and Vancouver to Calgary does that make it more worldly?

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la- ... story.html

https://globalnews.ca/news/5012882/cold ... vancouver/
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby yellowcanoe » Sun 03 Mar 2019, 10:41:21

clif wrote:Thanks for the WEATHER report from Calgary,


It illustrates what's happening as a result of the weakening of the Polar Vortex - what appears to now be an annual event. The pattern in recent years was for January-February to be warmer than normal and then the jet stream would shift southward resulting in March-April being much colder than normal. This winter the shift happened much earlier - mid January - resulting in a colder winter than normal over much of Canada and the Northern US. We're still locked in that pattern though the long range forecast suggests a noticeable improvement a week from now.
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 03 Mar 2019, 10:56:52

It’s true folks often confuse weather with climate. A few of us are arguing this on another site with a squad of deniers. It’s been an intense argument.

To my mind the warmin is simply unfefutable because of evidence from the Arctic Ice history, the Greenland glacial retreat and Antarctic ice shelf disintegration. One would think the physical events are rather solid evidence but the deniers make obscure comments about sketchy data to undermine the AWG analysis. None save one have come up with any kind of cohesive theory to explain their position. And the one guy with a theory? He claims Earth was warming since 1957 and will now go into a cooling phase. But then argues tooth and jail against slanything that shows a warming thread up to 2016.

Anyway, back to reporting weather. We know from weather reports gathered by scientific explorations and other adventurers that the Arctic had far more ice in the past than it does now. They were weather reports at the time but have since become data points in the AWG climate change model.
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby clif » Sun 03 Mar 2019, 16:04:27

When does that planet climate report come out, I don’t see it mentioned here often?


Well for that you have to do a little work, not try using ONE small weather report to show how much a denier you are.

From one of the articles YOU linked which you obviously hadn't read fully;

Even factoring in the cold snap, <b>California is still warmer than average</b>, and swings between periods of severe winter rainstorms and profound drought will probably become more pronounced in the future because of climate change, said Daniel Swain, a climate scientist at UCLA.


You check out sites like this;

The first month of 2019 was characterized by warmer-than-average conditions across much of the world's surface. The most notable warm temperature anomalies were present across much of Australia and across parts of northeastern and southwestern Asia, where temperature departures from average were 4.0°C (7.2°F) above average or higher. Record warm January surface temperatures were present across much of Australia and its surrounding Southern Ocean, southern Brazil, the ocean off the south coast of South Africa, and across parts of Africa, Asia, and the southeastern Pacific Ocean. Notable cool temperature departures from average were present across parts of northern North America, Europe, and central Asia, where temperatures were 1.0°C (1.8°F) below average or cooler. According to our analysis, no land or ocean surface had record cold January temperatures.

According to our analysis, no land or ocean surface had record cold January temperatures. Averaged as a whole, the January 2019 global land and ocean surface temperature was 0.88°C (1.58°F) above the 20th century average and tied with 2007 as the third highest temperature since global records began in 1880.


https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201901

Or you read something like this;

<b>Why 2019 is Set to Be the Warmest Year Ever</b>

The combined effect of climate change and an evolving El Niño could make 2019 the hottest year ever.

The past three years, from 2015 to 2017, were the warmest ever recorded. And although the current year started off with a moderate La Niña phenomenon—which generally has a cooling effect on global climate—it is going to end up being the fourth warmest year, clearly showing a warming trend.

In fact, the 20 warmest years on record have occurred in the last 22 years. This trend also sits in perfectly with the emission rates of greenhouse gases (GHGs), which were at a record high in 2018 according to the World Meteorological Organisation (WMO).


https://weather.com/en-IN/india/news/ne ... -rise-2019

But I guess it is easier to google looking for stories about WEATHER which meet your preselected views eh?
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby onlooker » Sun 03 Mar 2019, 16:54:52

It is ludicrous to compare weather to climate. Weather is variable/fluctuating, seasonal and over a short period. Climate is a state with specific traits, it is static over shorter periods of time. For example the climate of the tropics or the the interglacial climate or the climate of an era or epoch ie. the Cambrian climate, hothouse Earth, snowball Earth.
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby jawagord » Mon 04 Mar 2019, 01:08:05

clif wrote:
When does that planet climate report come out, I don’t see it mentioned here often?


Well for that you have to do a little work, not try using ONE small weather report to show how much a denier you are.

From one of the articles YOU linked which you obviously hadn't read fully;

Even factoring in the cold snap, <b>California is still warmer than average</b>, and swings between periods of severe winter rainstorms and profound drought will probably become more pronounced in the future because of climate change, said Daniel Swain, a climate scientist at UCLA.


You check out sites like this;

The first month of 2019 was characterized by warmer-than-average conditions across much of the world's surface. The most notable warm temperature anomalies were present across much of Australia and across parts of northeastern and southwestern Asia, where temperature departures from average were 4.0°C (7.2°F) above average or higher. Record warm January surface temperatures were present across much of Australia and its surrounding Southern Ocean, southern Brazil, the ocean off the south coast of South Africa, and across parts of Africa, Asia, and the southeastern Pacific Ocean. Notable cool temperature departures from average were present across parts of northern North America, Europe, and central Asia, where temperatures were 1.0°C (1.8°F) below average or cooler. According to our analysis, no land or ocean surface had record cold January temperatures.

According to our analysis, no land or ocean surface had record cold January temperatures. Averaged as a whole, the January 2019 global land and ocean surface temperature was 0.88°C (1.58°F) above the 20th century average and tied with 2007 as the third highest temperature since global records began in 1880.


https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201901

Or you read something like this;

<b>Why 2019 is Set to Be the Warmest Year Ever</b>

The combined effect of climate change and an evolving El Niño could make 2019 the hottest year ever.

The past three years, from 2015 to 2017, were the warmest ever recorded. And although the current year started off with a moderate La Niña phenomenon—which generally has a cooling effect on global climate—it is going to end up being the fourth warmest year, clearly showing a warming trend.

In fact, the 20 warmest years on record have occurred in the last 22 years. This trend also sits in perfectly with the emission rates of greenhouse gases (GHGs), which were at a record high in 2018 according to the World Meteorological Organisation (WMO).


https://weather.com/en-IN/india/news/ne ... -rise-2019

But I guess it is easier to google looking for stories about WEATHER which meet your preselected views eh?


No offence to the Indian weather network but let’s use the NASA dataset, 2018 temperature anomaly was less than 2017 which was less than 2016, global temperatures have peaked and are cooling down so the “runaway” has currently stopped, no denying the data.

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/gl ... mperature/
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby clif » Mon 04 Mar 2019, 18:45:42

global temperatures have peaked and are cooling down so the “runaway” has currently stopped, no denying the data.


Damn are you this dense or just dishonest.

The scam you are trying to push is a two year SLIGHT decline while the six preceeding years were increasing.What you seem to miss whether by accident of omission is there has been SLIGHT declines before but the over all climate is increasing since 1900.....

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see the black line in case you actually are this dense ..............................
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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postby jupiters_release » Mon 04 Mar 2019, 19:51:23

Not to mention any cooling is all geoengineered.
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