onlooker wrote:"It's the idealization of unfettered capitalism", well that is what some of us here argue that humans are prone to "like" the modern lifestyle and perks. So, that the West which has seen the greatest explosion of material wealth ever attained in history has adopted Capitalism as the one and only true path to contentment and happiness. One has to wonder about how truly foolish this is. One has to question how can people so easily succumb to "fools gold". If we all step back for a second and truly question why we work so hard to take that next vacation, or buy that new car or etc., we can begin to regain our senses to find that life is about so much more than ephemeral pleasures. And one can also realize that true contentment is much more easily reached by renouncing our urges than being constantly in their grip.
KaiserJeep wrote:Ibon, you couldn't be more wrong than that. As is often said, Capitalism is absolutely f*cking terrible. It is the worst of all economic systems, except for everything else the human race has ever tried. Yet it is working in about 170 countries around the world, where nothing else has ever worked more than briefly.
In fact you are owning the means of production on Mt. Totumas, beef and coffee I believe you said. Ibon the Capitalist, who used the system to get what he wanted, then became a Capitalist himself, selling the Cloud Forest over and over to anybody in a buying mood.
It's not necessary that you approve of Capitalism, much less sing it's praises. But you should understand that any successful entreprenuer is an acknowledged expert in Capitalist economics.
Primate Instincts + Human Intelligence = Capitalism
The Capitalist measure of success = 7.6+ Billion humans
KaiserJeep wrote:
The Capitalist measure of success = 7.6+ Billion humans
KaiserJeep wrote:Ibon, having thought about your response, I have decided that you are blaming Capitalism for normal animal instincts. Cats and dogs and chickens would also eat more than is good for them if they could, reproduce beyond reasonable limits, and destroy the environment thay live in, were they in charge as are the humans. Because Capitalism is a name that humans apply to doing what all animals do. It's not even necessary to generalize to primates, all animals behave this way. Nor is any form of collectivism in any way superior, the Socialists and Communists have even worse records of environmental damage.
Unless you can identify another economic system or form of government that actually improves upon Capitalism, using either the classic criteria or the new ones you seem to be struggling to define, I don't see any value to your thoughts. Humans behaving the way animals behave seems entirely appropriate, that is what we actually are.
After all, Nature produced us. Nature also seems to be the only force that has ever destroyed more of the environment than mankind. Compare human overpopulation to a major eruption of a mega-volcano, which can lay waste to a quarter of the globe in mere days.
KaiserJeep wrote:
As for the culture of humanity, it lags the technology, and it always will.
Ibon wrote:KaiserJeep wrote:
As for the culture of humanity, it lags the technology, and it always will.
Humility also seems to be lagging behind technology, but it wont always be the case.
onlooker wrote:Ibon wrote:KaiserJeep wrote:
As for the culture of humanity, it lags the technology, and it always will.
Humility also seems to be lagging behind technology, but it wont always be the case.
Reminds me of tge quote which says something to the effect that, the problem with humans is they have paleolithic emotions, medieval institutions and godlike technology.
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