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THE UK Thread Pt. 13

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Re: London Terror 8/14/2018

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Fri 17 Aug 2018, 15:11:16

Jihad (religious war) is a central tenet of Islamic religious belief and has been ever since the founding of Islam by Muhammad, and Islamic religious doctrine holds that martyrdom in jihad is a sure fire way to get into Muslim heaven, where the martyrs are promised palaces filled with myriads of virgins eager to help them enjoy eternity.


this is a misconception that has lead to more problems than were there to start I'm afraid.

The following from the Islamic council of the Amercias
http://islamicsupremecouncil.org/understanding-islam/legal-rulings/5-jihad-a-misunderstood-concept-from-islam.html?start=9

WHAT JIHAD IS
The Arabic word "jihad" is often translated as "holy war," but in a purely linguistic sense, the word " jihad" means struggling or striving.
The arabic word for war is: "al-harb".
In a religious sense, as described by the Quran and teachings of the Prophet Muhammad (s), "jihad" has many meanings. It can refer to internal as well as external efforts to be a good Muslims or believer, as well as working to inform people about the faith of Islam.
If military jihad is required to protect the faith against others, it can be performed using anything from legal, diplomatic and economic to political means. If there is no peaceful alternative, Islam also allows the use of force, but there are strict rules of engagement. Innocents - such as women, children, or invalids - must never be harmed, and any peaceful overtures from the enemy must be accepted.
Military action is therefore only one means of jihad, and is very rare. To highlight this point, the Prophet Mohammed told his followers returning from a military campaign: "This day we have returned from the minor jihad to the major jihad," which he said meant returning from armed battle to the peaceful battle for self-control and betterment.
In case military action appears necessary, not everyone can declare jihad. The religious military campaign has to be declared by a proper authority, advised by scholars, who say the religion and people are under threat and violence is imperative to defend them. The concept of "just war" is very important.
The concept of jihad has been hijacked by many political and religious groups over the ages in a bid to justify various forms of violence. In most cases, Islamic splinter groups invoked jihad to fight against the established Islamic order. Scholars say this misuse of jihad contradicts Islam.
Examples of sanctioned military jihad include the Muslims' defensive battles against the Crusaders in medieval times, and before that some responses by Muslims against Byzantine and Persian attacks during the period of the early Islamic conquests.

WHAT JIHAD IS NOT
Jihad is not a violent concept.
Jihad is not a declaration of war against other religions. It is worth noting that the Koran specifically refers to Jews and Christians as "people of the book" who should be protected and respected. All three faiths worship the same God. Allah is just the Arabic word for God, and is used by Christian Arabs as well as Muslims.
Military action in the name of Islam has not been common in the history of Islam. Scholars says most calls for violent jihad are not sanctioned by Islam.
Warfare in the name of God is not unique to Islam. Other faiths throughout the world have waged wars with religious justifications
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Re: London Terror 8/14/2018

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 17 Aug 2018, 15:45:08

WHAT JIHAD IS
...If military jihad is required to protect the faith against others, it can be performed using anything from legal, diplomatic and economic to political means. If there is no peaceful alternative, Islam also allows the use of force, but there are strict rules of engagement. Innocents - such as women, children, or invalids - must never be harmed, and any peaceful overtures from the enemy must be accepted.


That sounds nice but its utter poppycock, of course.

I didn't see the Islamic terrorists who hijacked passenger jets and flew them into the World Trade Towers on 9/11/11 showing the slightest bit of concern about the thousands of innocent civilians, including women, children, and invalids, that they were slaughtering both in the planes and in the buildings.

Similarly the Islamic jihadis of ISIS don't seem to follow the rules that you have set out for them. Not only did they murder women and children but they committed genocide against entire populations. And those few they didn't murder they enslaved. The total death toll in the conflict in Syria is over 600,000 and still climbing.

And the garden variety Islamic terrorists in the West murder women and children indiscriminately when they set off bombs in passenger trains, or drive trucks down crowded streets or into Christmas markets (there tend to be women and children at Christmas markets, don't you know), or gun down people sitting in cafes or attending music concerts. And they don't only go for concerts with adults either----remember the Islamic terrorist in Manchester set off a bomb at an Arianna Grande concert----where there were mainly pre-teen girls. Even the most recent terror attack in London on 8/14/2018 was carried by a Muslim who drove his car into people on bicycles---ane he didn't swerve to miss the women either.

Your claim is ridiculous and its poppycock, I say. Its utter hogwash to claim Muslim terrorists on jihad don't harm "innocents" or women and children.

Alas----once again the real world has failed to conform to your fantasies.

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Re: London Terror 8/14/2018

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Fri 17 Aug 2018, 16:10:38

I didn't see the Islamic terrorists who hijacked passenger jets and flew them into the World Trade Towers on 9/11/11 showing the slightest bit of concern about the thousands of innocent civilians, including women, children, and invalids, that they were slaughtering both in the planes and in the buildings.


apparently, you missed the part that said:
The concept of jihad has been hijacked by many political and religious groups over the ages in a bid to justify various forms of violence.

Terrorists do not have a "jihad" that is sanctioned by Islam. It is misused by both sides.

Similarly the Islamic jihadis of ISIS don't seem to follow the rules that you have set out for them. Not only did they murder women and children but they committed genocide against entire populations. And those few they didn't murder they enslaved. The total death toll in the conflict in Syria is over 600,000 and still climbing.


Once again a small group who misinterpret the Koran to their own ends.

Your claim is ridiculous and its poppycock, I say. Its utter hogwash to claim Muslim terrorists on jihad don't harm "innocents" or women and children.


once again demonstrating your lack of comprehension. This is actually what that article said:

If there is no peaceful alternative, Islam also allows the use of force, but there are strict rules of engagement. Innocents - such as women, children, or invalids - must never be harmed, and any peaceful overtures from the enemy must be accepted.


what this is saying is that Islam allows the use of force but not against innocents. The form of so-called holy war terrorists are undertaking is not jihad as it is understood in Islamic teachings. I did not say "terrorists on jihad don't harm "innocents" or women and children" as you claim I simply point out through posting the article that the Islamic faith does not support this, regardless of what the terrorists might want you to believe.

The reason I posted this article from the Islamic Council of the Americas is that you and many more have a very poor understanding of what the Koran and hence the Islamic faith supports. It does not support what the terrorists have been doing, many Islamic scholars have pointed out the misuse of the term "jihad".
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Re: London Terror 8/14/2018

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 17 Aug 2018, 16:19:51

Terrorists do not have a "jihad" that is sanctioned by Islam.


They believe they do.
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Re: London Terror 8/14/2018

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Fri 17 Aug 2018, 17:16:06

They believe they do.


just as some radical Christians probably still believe in Just War and Holy War. That doesn't mean it is and indict of the religion, simply a very bad interpretation that fits their purpose.
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Re: London Terror 8/14/2018

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Sat 18 Aug 2018, 00:21:51

Subjectivist wrote:. Faith is a fully subjective experience. By having faith and practicing certain doctrines based on that faith I experience great comfort when troubling things happen to me, my loved ones, my neighbors or my country.

Good for you or for anyone else who wishes to practice the organized religion of their choice.

But what does having the subjective experience of faith due with a "strong God"? That faith can bring one comfort whether the God in question is strong, weak, or nonexistent.
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Re: London Terror 8/14/2018

Unread postby Cog » Sat 18 Aug 2018, 04:48:08

rockdoc123 wrote:
They believe they do.


just as some radical Christians probably still believe in Just War and Holy War. That doesn't mean it is and indict of the religion, simply a very bad interpretation that fits their purpose.


See a lot of non-Muslims strapping on suicide vests and running over people in trucks? Or flying airplanes into skyscrapers? The Muslim religion and sharia law is not reconcible with western values of democracy, rule of law, and freedom. Europe is finding this out the hard way.
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Re: London Terror 8/14/2018

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 21 Aug 2018, 08:25:09

Of course not, we have drones.
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Re: THE UK Thread Pt. 13

Unread postby Tanada » Tue 13 Jun 2023, 16:58:23

Britain fires up coal plant as weather becomes too hot for solar panels to work

Britain has started burning coal to generate electricity for the first time in a month and a half, after the heatwave made solar panels too hot to work efficiently.

One unit at Uniper’s Ratcliffe-on-Soar coal power plant in Nottinghamshire started producing electricity for the first time in weeks on Monday morning, while another coal-powered plant was warmed up in case it was needed by the early afternoon.

The National Grid turned to coal to generate electricity as a rush to turn on air conditioning and fans across the country during the heatwave led to a spike in demand.

High temperatures over the weekend also reduced the amount of energy generated from solar panels. Output on Sunday was almost a third lower than a week earlier, despite temperatures climbing above 30 degrees celsius across large parts of the country.

Solar panels are tested at a benchmark of 25C. For every degree rise in temperature above this level, the efficiency is reduced by 0.5 percentage points.

The temperature level refers to the solar cell temperature, rather than the air temperature. In direct sunlight, the cells can easily reach 60 or 70 degrees.

Alastair Buckley, professor of organic electronics at the University of Sheffield, said: “Both days were largely sunny in the morning, so a good part of the reduction in output will be due to the efficiency reduction from higher temperatures on Saturday compared to Friday.

“Compared with a cool cloudy day, the cells might be a maximum of 25pc less efficient.”

Supply was also lower because of depressed wind speeds, which hit turbine output, and some gas power plants being shut for maintenance.

The weekend’s heatwave was followed by storms across Britain, which disrupted both domestic and international travel.

More than 15,000 easyJet passengers have seen their flights cancelled over the past few days as a result of the thunderstorms. The airline axed 54 flights scheduled to take off or depart from Gatwick Airport on Sunday, with a further 55 grounded on Monday.

Meanwhile, Londoners battled through flood water on Monday evening after thunderstorms overwhelmed drainage systems. Motorists in Barnet, North London, were filmed driving through water-filled streets, while London Fire Brigade said it had been called to “several reports” of flooding.

A yellow weather warning was in place for parts of Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales and much of England on Monday. A more severe amber alert was issued for parts of southern England and the Midlands, where the Met Office said homes and businesses were “likely” to be flooded.

Members of the public were advised to keep their phones charged in case of power cuts. Grahame Madge, a Met Office meteorologist, said: “By their nature, [thunderstorms] develop quickly and in almost seemingly random areas.

“We are advising that people might want to think about how suddenly they can be subjected to flash flooding or a power cut. Are people prepared? Make sure mobile phones are charged and that sort of thing.”

While the rain brought some welcome relief to plants after weeks without precipitation, woodland conservation charities have raised the alarm about the survival of urban trees during Britain’s increasingly hot, dry summers.

Charities including the Arboricultural Association are asking the public to help water street trees. It is thought that between 30-50pc of newly-planted urban trees die within the first year. Each needs up to 50 litres of water per week.

Coal was producing around 0.7pc of the electricity being used in the UK on Sunday.

It brought to an end a 46-day coal-free period for Britain’s grid, shy of the nearly 68-day record it set in the summer of 2020.

That was the longest single period since 1882 that the grid went without burning coal to produce electricity.

Before Monday, the last time the National Grid used coal was for a 22.5-hour period ending at half past midnight on April 27.

Octopus Energy on Tuesday called for the National Grid to introduce a permanent scheme to reward customers for using less energy at peak times in order to reduce dependence on coal.

Nearly 700,000 Octopus smart meter users received £5.4m under its Savings Session trial over winter, where customers were paid to use less power than they otherwise normally would during peak times.

In total, Octopus said its scheme shifted 1.86Gwh of electricity demand to times of less stress on the network - the equivalent of stopping two million washing machine runs.

Octopus argued that rolling out the system across Britain would reduce the cost of the National Grid’s coal contingency by about three quarters, from £340-395m last winter to just £106m.

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Re: THE UK Thread Pt. 13

Unread postby Newfie » Fri 16 Jun 2023, 08:54:44

I found this bit encouraging.

Octopus Energy on Tuesday called for the National Grid to introduce a permanent scheme to reward customers for using less energy at peak times in order to reduce dependence on coal.

Nearly 700,000 Octopus smart meter users received £5.4m under its Savings Session trial over winter, where customers were paid to use less power than they otherwise normally would during peak times.

In total, Octopus said its scheme shifted 1.86Gwh of electricity demand to times of less stress on the network - the equivalent of stopping two million washing machine runs.

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Re: THE UK Thread Pt. 13

Unread postby theluckycountry » Sat 17 Jun 2023, 03:47:37

UK power mix
45% Gas
21% Net Imports (power by undersea cables from France Norway)
15% Nuclear
7% Solar
7% Wind
4% Biomass (wood-chip pellets from the US I assume.)
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... at-britain

So take away the Gas and imports and they are up shit creek. On the other hand, reduce consumption by 80% abouts and they are doing fine, well ahead of the curve. That's the obvious solution but no one wants to give up anything so it can't be done voluntarily. Without electricity/gas many would freeze to death up there. Lose the north Atlantic current and it's Greenland.
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Re: THE UK Thread Pt. 13

Unread postby Newfie » Sat 17 Jun 2023, 09:42:33

It would he interesting to see the breakdown by use.
How much is used in heating?
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Re: THE UK Thread Pt. 13

Unread postby jato0072 » Sat 17 Jun 2023, 10:52:56

New Discourses wrote:You have probably heard of "Net Zero," the unrealistically ambitious target of having no net greenhouse gas emissions by some point in the relatively near future (2030, maybe 2050 at the latest). A report filed in 2019 by the prestigious government-funded UK organization of engineers and scientists, UK FIRES (https://ukfires.org/), thinks Net Zero is not enough and is pushing for an insanely aggressive program called "Absolute Zero" (https://ukfires.org/absolute-zero/), absolutely zero emissions by 2050. What does it entail? Among other things, no flights, no container shipping, no red meat consumption, no cement, no new steel production, and no fossil fuel use for any reason, even plastics, by 2050. How do they expect this to be possible? Draconian governmental action combined with drastic semi-voluntary reductions in individual quality of life for all citizens. In this episode of the New Discourses Podcast, host James Lindsay reads the Executive Summary of the UK FIRES "Absolute Zero" report [pdf (https://newdiscourses.com/wp-content/..., hosted by Cambridge University, by the way] to expose the unworkable, catastrophic insanity of their zero-emissions program in the UK and beyond, warning that it sets the stage for a Western Holodomor.


Youtube - James Lindsay on UK FIRES "Absolute Zero"

Link to UK FIRES "Absolute Zero" Report

I am glad to see Britain firing up the coal plants. I hope sane people prevail over the Climate Cult of Death.
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