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Peak Water Pt. 2

Re: Peak Water Pt. 2

Unread postby M_B_S » Tue 03 Jul 2018, 15:16:09

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Pakistan
Water shortage intensifies, crops at risk
Khaleeq KianiUpdated July 03, 2018

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ISLAMABAD: The country’s water shortage has worsened, prompting Indus River System Authority (Irsa) to cut provincial water shares by 14 per cent as storages at the two major reservoirs — Mangla and Tarbela —dropped to historic lows.

“Total storage stood at 0.89 million acre feet (MAF) compared to storage of 6.81 MAF the same day last year,” said Khalid Idrees Rana, spokesman to the Indus River System Authority. Pakistan total storage capacity is 13.681 MAF

“Tarbela (dam) is at very alarming stage”, he said explaining that its storage stood at 0.128 MAF on Monday – almost half compared to a historic low of 0.254 MAF.

The situation at Mangla — the country’s largest reservoir by capacity — was no better. “Mangla is also at very critical stage today,” he said, adding the storage at this dam was recorded at 0.718 MAF on Monday compared to historically low level of 0.914 MAF.

Storage around one tenth of what it was last year
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Re: Peak Water Pt. 2

Unread postby Newfie » Thu 05 Jul 2018, 08:19:34

https://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com/132 ... ctica/amp/


To prevent premature melting while being towed, the iceberg will be wrapped in a textile insulation skirt while being dragged across the 2,000 kilometer distance over a three-month period.

But it won’t be cheap as towing the iceberg alone could cost up to $100 million—a steep price for an operation with several questions remaining over its viability.


Up here last year they had a small Berg in a sheltered cove so they ran out a barge with an excavator on it. That’s how you get pure berg water.
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Re: Peak Water Pt. 2

Unread postby onlooker » Sun 08 Jul 2018, 17:42:30

https://www.timesnownews.com/mirror-now ... hem/193434
11 countries are running out of water and India is one of them
Can China fix its mammoth water crisis before it's too late?


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Re: Peak Water Pt. 2

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Re: Peak Water Pt. 2

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 08 Jul 2018, 20:41:18

The bigger problem is the water rights issue between India and Pakistan.

I read they were in DC a couple of weeks ago negotiating. But have heard nothing since.
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Re: Peak Water Pt. 2

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 08 Jul 2018, 21:16:19

Newfie wrote:The bigger problem is the water rights issue between India and Pakistan.

I read they were in DC a couple of weeks ago negotiating. But have heard nothing since.


Over the last three decades I have seen the topic of a regional nuclear war over water rights between Pakistan and India come up repeatedly. Basically if you neighbor is choking off the water supply to your dying population would you nuke their dam structures to release the water back to its natural flow? Or even do a direct launch against their population centers and military bases?

For a long time the fear has been that any regional nuclear war will go global, but this is not necessarily the case because the world of treaties is not a mutual suicide pact where one can start a war and automatically drag everyone else down with themselves. However depending on season of the year and how intense the bombing is the climate effects might be global even if the war stays local. If enough dust and smoke get injected high enough you could see a 2 or even 3 year 'period without a summer' in the northern hemisphere where the stratospheric clouds would be confined for the first few months. Mount Pinotubo in the Philippines is at roughly the same latitude and its ash cloud caused a hemisphere wide 2C drop in temperatures and stunted some crops from haze blocking UV from feeding the plants. Now picture 10 or 20 times the amount of dust in the same atmospheric zone making the first year effect much more intense. Because of the way dust works it will all precipitate out eventually, probably within 3 years, 5 at the most, but nearly all crops are grown in the northern hemisphere and darn few people have a 5 year stockpile like they used to maintain when global trade was a theory, not a reality. Hemisphere wide crop failures would mean famine on a massive scale, likely killing many more people than direct effects of the war.

So yes, peak water is a concern, because when you are talking about nuclear weapon states and desperate times scary things can result before you know what happened.
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Re: Peak Water Pt. 2

Unread postby onlooker » Mon 09 Jul 2018, 01:47:36

Good post Tanada. The situation their in that area of India is getting desperate.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/0 ... g_share_fb

New Delhi to run out of groundwater in two years as India faces 'day zero' crises
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Re: Peak Water Pt. 2

Unread postby M_B_S » Tue 17 Jul 2018, 05:53:11

https://www.firstpost.com/india/indias- ... 58911.html

A recent NITI Aayog report on India's water resources presented an alarming state of affairs. The country, according to the think tank, is in the grip of the worst water crisis in its history, with 600 million Indians faced with "high to extreme water stress", resulting in 2 lakh deaths a year. Firstpost will run a series of ground reports from across the country to determine the extent to which depleted reserves have affected daily life.

https://www.firstpost.com/india/indias- ... 58911.html
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Re: Peak Water Pt. 2

Unread postby M_B_S » Sat 21 Jul 2018, 04:10:10

Karachi Pakistan without water soon?!

https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2 ... index.html

But despite all this rationing, the water tank at her home is almost dry.

“There is a small amount of water,” she says. “I am saving it to drink. When I have money in my hands, I’ll get a tanker.”

Orangi’s problems, while acute, are not unique in Pakistan’s largest city. Karachi’s roughly 20 million residents regularly face water shortages, with working class neighbourhoods the worst hit by a failing distribution and supply system.

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Re: Peak Water Pt. 2

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sat 21 Jul 2018, 05:48:48

M_B_S wrote:Karachi Pakistan without water soon?!

https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2 ... index.html

But despite all this rationing, the water tank at her home is almost dry.

“There is a small amount of water,” she says. “I am saving it to drink. When I have money in my hands, I’ll get a tanker.”

Orangi’s problems, while acute, are not unique in Pakistan’s largest city. Karachi’s roughly 20 million residents regularly face water shortages, with working class neighbourhoods the worst hit by a failing distribution and supply system.

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I see no date on that article and suspect it is a bit old as it is the monsoon season and there are reports of floods and landslides in today's news. At any rate it is more a story about government corruption then it is about a shortage of water.
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Re: Peak Water Pt. 2

Unread postby M_B_S » Sat 21 Jul 2018, 09:57:03

https://nation.com.pk/21-Jul-2018/let-us-conserve-water

Despite of melting glaciers, rivers and huge rain fall Pakistan is so unfortunate that it is at number 17 on the list of countries facing water crisis. “If sizable reservoirs are not built then Pakistan will run out of water by 2025”, says a PCRWR report.

It is to further mention that at independence, per capital availability of water was over 5,000 cubic meters which is 1,000 cubic meters today. The population of Pakistan in 2030 is expected to be round [b]240 million
which would pose a grave threat to the economy and stability......
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Re: Peak Water Pt. 2

Unread postby dohboi » Sat 21 Jul 2018, 10:16:56

Yeah, the url includes the year 2017.

Still, Pakistan's population and water problems have certainly not gotten a lot better since then, as far as I know.
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Re: Peak Water Pt. 2

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sat 21 Jul 2018, 18:44:17

So is it a water problem or a population problem?
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Re: Peak Water Pt. 2

Unread postby dohboi » Sun 22 Jul 2018, 00:05:54

Sounds like it might be a binary thinking problem...?? :roll:
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Re: Peak Water Pt. 2

Unread postby onlooker » Sun 22 Jul 2018, 13:18:31

In Town With Little Water, Coca-Cola Is Everywhere. So Is Diabetes.


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Re: Peak Water Pt. 2

Unread postby M_B_S » Sat 28 Jul 2018, 01:44:12

India must recognise water crisis early: NITI Aayog
— By IANS | Jul 27, 2018 06:07 pm

New Delhi: Terming Yamuna a “dead river”, NITI Aayog Vice Chairman Rajiv Kumar on Friday said the [u]“enormity of the water crisis” was not being recognized in India, and that 10 large cities would completely go dry by [b]2030[/b]. “Unfortunately, NITI Aayog has to point out that 600 million people live in water-stressed areas and by 2030, our demand for water may double,” Kumar said at Dr A.P.J. Abdul Kalam Memorial youth conclave on ‘Creating Livable Planet Earth’.[/u]

http://www.freepressjournal.in/india/in ... og/1323492
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Re: Peak Water Pt. 2

Unread postby Newfie » Sat 28 Jul 2018, 05:38:35

Apparently Pakistan has a new pro-military, charasmitic leader. That might make things interesting.
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Re: Peak Water Pt. 2

Unread postby onlooker » Sat 28 Jul 2018, 06:05:24

I can"t help thinking that they can come up with all the ingenious schemes imaginable but the Middle East is just NOT a place where you should have 400 million people living. Hint: less
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Re: Peak Water Pt. 2

Unread postby onlooker » Mon 30 Jul 2018, 11:34:50

Where Will You Be for the Aquapocalypse?
21 of the planet's 37 aquifers are on the verge of collapse.


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Re: Peak Water Pt. 2

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