Donate Bitcoin

Donate Paypal


PeakOil is You

PeakOil is You

THE Deforestation Thread pt. 2

Re: The War On Trees

Unread postby kiwichick » Thu 28 Jun 2018, 01:38:01

meanwhile.......we lost a football pitch worth of trees every second in 2017

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ta-reveals
User avatar
kiwichick
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 2267
Joined: Sat 02 Aug 2008, 03:00:00
Location: Southland New Zealand

Re: The War On Trees

Unread postby kiwichick » Thu 28 Jun 2018, 04:41:21

the vast majority of CO2 is stored in the oceans

http://www.worldwatch.org/node/6323
User avatar
kiwichick
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 2267
Joined: Sat 02 Aug 2008, 03:00:00
Location: Southland New Zealand

Re: The War On Trees

Unread postby ozcad » Thu 28 Jun 2018, 12:09:19

The rising Keeling curve shows that the sum of all greening effects and all of the world's CO2 sinks combined is still not enough.
However much hand waving and clever word smithing we may do, it is not enough.
However much we desperately need it to work, it is not enough.
Because it is just not enough.
User avatar
ozcad
Peat
Peat
 
Posts: 81
Joined: Fri 03 Jul 2015, 13:26:35
Location: Australia

Re: The War On Trees

Unread postby jupiters_release » Sat 07 Jul 2018, 01:56:45

pstarr wrote:
jupiters_release wrote:
pstarr wrote:
Better to offgas the methane. Extra CO2 in the atmosphere is great for growing cattle fodder. :)


Is this sarcasm or do you still really believe "global greening" beneficial to Gaia?

Do you have evidence of the contrary?

For those predisposed to the supernatural I will explain the simple science one more time, to wit: excess carbon in the atmosphere has generated a continent-sized patch of new trees on the planet earth. Those trees have just begun to sequester carbon. It is their way.

Trees live to sequester carbon. Trees are carbon sequesters. The best at sequestering carbon. The Way of the Trees :-D


Somewhere on this forum several months ago an in depth article was posted showing nutrient density decreases with increased CO2. Yes more "green" but lower quality.
Do not seek the truth, only cease to cherish opinions.
jupiters_release
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1301
Joined: Mon 10 Oct 2005, 03:00:00

Re: The War On Trees

Unread postby jupiters_release » Sat 07 Jul 2018, 16:48:11

Well we'll have plenty trees, algae, jellyfish in the future.
Do not seek the truth, only cease to cherish opinions.
jupiters_release
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1301
Joined: Mon 10 Oct 2005, 03:00:00

Re: Massive Insect "Die Off" in Europe

Unread postby M_B_S » Mon 22 Oct 2018, 17:38:25

https://thinkprogress.org/insect-collap ... e68123fa8/

Insect decline in rain forest up to 98%
I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat.

M_B_S
User avatar
M_B_S
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 3770
Joined: Sat 20 Aug 2005, 03:00:00

Re: THE Deforestation Thread pt. 2

Unread postby vox_mundi » Mon 29 Oct 2018, 19:00:20

Animal Species Becoming Extinct in Haiti as Deforestation Nearly Complete

Species of reptiles, amphibians and other vertebrates are becoming extinct in Haiti as deforestation has claimed more than 99 percent of the country's original wooded areas.

A research collaboration that included two scientists affiliated with Oregon State University found that 42 of Haiti's 50 largest mountains have lost all of their primary forest.

Moreover, mountaintop surveys of vertebrates showed that species are disappearing along with the trees, highlighting the global threat to biodiversity by human causes.
... "Species extinction is usually delayed until the last habitats are gone, but mass extinction appears imminent in a small number of tropical countries with low forest cover," ... "And mass extinction is already happening in Haiti because of deforestation."

Along with the mass extinctions, the findings, published today in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, suggest that over the next two decades Haiti will lose all of its remaining primary forest cover.
“There are three classes of people: those who see. Those who see when they are shown. Those who do not see.” ― Leonardo da Vinci

Insensible before the wave so soon released by callous fate. Affected most, they understand the least, and understanding, when it comes, invariably arrives too late.
User avatar
vox_mundi
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 3939
Joined: Wed 27 Sep 2006, 03:00:00

Re: THE Deforestation Thread pt. 2

Unread postby dohboi » Sun 04 Nov 2018, 09:43:43

Increasing forest fires searing the U.S.:
https://www.carbonbrief.org/factcheck-h ... -wildfires
User avatar
dohboi
Harmless Drudge
Harmless Drudge
 
Posts: 19990
Joined: Mon 05 Dec 2005, 04:00:00

Re: Wildfires 2020 Thread

Unread postby JuanP » Tue 01 Dec 2020, 09:10:42

"Deforestation in Brazilian Amazon surges to 12 year high"
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1208623.shtml

"A total of 11,088 square kilometers of forest was destroyed in Brazil's share of the world's biggest rainforest in the 12 months to August, according to the Brazilian space agency's PRODES monitoring program, which analyzes satellite images to track deforestation."

This is the worst environmental problem in South America after overpopulation. Global warming and climate change are not too bad down there at all. I expect the Amazon to become a Savannah in our lifetimes, drastically affecting precipitation patterns across all of South America. I don't expect the process to be slow or gradual. I invested in underground cisterns, a deep well, and a rainwater collection system at my micro farm in Uruguay, planning to make it through regular 10 year droughts, if necessary. Humans and droughts were my two main concerns.
"Human stupidity has no limits" JuanP
JuanP
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1957
Joined: Sat 16 Aug 2014, 15:06:32

Re: Wildfires 2020 Thread

Unread postby REAL Green » Tue 01 Dec 2020, 09:59:17

JuanP wrote:I invested in underground cisterns, a deep well, and a rainwater collection system at my micro farm in Uruguay, planning to make it through regular 10 year droughts, if necessary. Humans and droughts were my two main concerns.


JuanP, how can you invest in a farm in Uruguay when you are never there. I realize this is the internet so maybe what you are saying about your life in Miami Beach is reality or Uruguay is reality or neither. This really doesn't matter except that you represent yourself as respectable here but tell so many different stories about your life. We should be able to trust comment among fellow members. If you are lying then you are misleading us which is not proper membership behavior.
realgreenadaptation.blog
User avatar
REAL Green
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1080
Joined: Thu 09 Apr 2020, 05:29:28
Location: MO Ozarks

Re: Wildfires 2020 Thread

Unread postby dissident » Tue 01 Dec 2020, 14:05:34

REAL Green wrote:
JuanP wrote:I invested in underground cisterns, a deep well, and a rainwater collection system at my micro farm in Uruguay, planning to make it through regular 10 year droughts, if necessary. Humans and droughts were my two main concerns.


JuanP, how can you invest in a farm in Uruguay when you are never there. I realize this is the internet so maybe what you are saying about your life in Miami Beach is reality or Uruguay is reality or neither. This really doesn't matter except that you represent yourself as respectable here but tell so many different stories about your life. We should be able to trust comment among fellow members. If you are lying then you are misleading us which is not proper membership behavior.


Take a valium. I know some people who lived in Russia who were Ukrainian by origin who had small farms in Ukraine which they would maintain remotely and visited for part of the year. They were cut off in 2014. What JuanP says is fully realistic. He likely has family in Uruguay that takes care of this land in his absence. You also do not know how often he visits Uruguay in any given year. The current Covid-19 travel restrictions are not relevant.
dissident
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 6458
Joined: Sat 08 Apr 2006, 03:00:00

Re: Wildfires 2020 Thread

Unread postby JuanP » Tue 01 Dec 2020, 16:07:21

dissident wrote:
JuanP wrote:I invested in underground cisterns, a deep well, and a rainwater collection system at my micro farm in Uruguay, planning to make it through regular 10 year droughts, if necessary. Humans and droughts were my two main concerns.


I know some people who lived in Russia who were Ukrainian by origin who had small farms in Ukraine which they would maintain remotely and visited for part of the year. They were cut off in 2014. What JuanP says is fully realistic. He likely has family in Uruguay that takes care of this land in his absence. You also do not know how often he visits Uruguay in any given year. The current Covid-19 travel restrictions are not relevant.


I've only visited the farm in Uruguay twice in the last five years. It is rented to the local doctor for next to nothing to keep it occupied, and some of the workers from the neighbor's farm work there on their free time to make some extra money. My wife visits it once a year with her sister and stays over at a friend's farm, which is a few miles away. A friend manages the property. We intend to go there in our old age.
"Human stupidity has no limits" JuanP
JuanP
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1957
Joined: Sat 16 Aug 2014, 15:06:32

Re: THE Deforestation Thread pt. 2

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 01 Dec 2020, 18:20:33

Personal attack troll post deleted.
User avatar
Newfie
Forum Moderator
Forum Moderator
 
Posts: 18458
Joined: Thu 15 Nov 2007, 04:00:00
Location: Between Canada and Carribean

Re: THE Deforestation Thread pt. 2

Unread postby Subjectivist » Sat 05 Dec 2020, 12:56:07

Deforestation is a serious topic guys, especially in countries with rapidly growing population density. The USA has done a bit of work with the national forests and national park system, but we are a very wealthy country. IIRC the second largest all natural reserve is the Chernobyl exclusion zone where the absurd fear of background radiation keeps people away allowing natural balance to resume in the ecosystem.
II Chronicles 7:14 if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.
Subjectivist
Volunteer
Volunteer
 
Posts: 4701
Joined: Sat 28 Aug 2010, 07:38:26
Location: Northwest Ohio

Re: THE Deforestation Thread pt. 2

Unread postby dohboi » Mon 14 Dec 2020, 17:40:39

Since deforestation is a crucial driver of the current mass extinction event, I'll put this here:


Gerardo Ceballos, Paul R. Ehrlich, and Peter H. Raven (June 16, 2020),

"Vertebrates on the brink as indicators of biological annihilation and the sixth mass extinction",


PNAS, 117, (24), 13596-13602, https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.1922686117

https://www.pnas.org/content/117/24/13596

Significance

The ongoing sixth mass extinction may be the most serious environmental threat to the persistence of civilization, because it is irreversible. Thousands of populations of critically endangered vertebrate animal species have been lost in a century, indicating that the sixth mass extinction is human caused and accelerating.

The acceleration of the extinction crisis is certain because of the still fast growth in human numbers and consumption rates. In addition, species are links in ecosystems, and, as they fall out, the species they interact with are likely to go also. In the regions where disappearing species are concentrated, regional biodiversity collapses are likely occurring. Our results reemphasize the extreme urgency of taking massive global actions to save humanity’s crucial life-support systems.


Abstract
The ongoing sixth mass species extinction is the result of the destruction of component populations leading to eventual extirpation of entire species. Populations and species extinctions have severe implications for society through the degradation of ecosystem services. Here we assess the extinction crisis from a different perspective. We examine 29,400 species of terrestrial vertebrates, and determine which are on the brink of extinction because they have fewer than 1,000 individuals. There are 515 species on the brink (1.7% of the evaluated vertebrates). Around 94% of the populations of 77 mammal and bird species on the brink have been lost in the last century. Assuming all species on the brink have similar trends, more than 237,000 populations of those species have vanished since 1900. We conclude the human-caused sixth mass extinction is likely accelerating for several reasons.

First, many of the species that have been driven to the brink will likely become extinct soon.

Second, the distribution of those species highly coincides with hundreds of other endangered species, surviving in regions with high human impacts, suggesting ongoing regional biodiversity collapses.

Third, close ecological interactions of species on the brink tend to move other species toward annihilation when they disappear—extinction breeds extinctions.

Finally, human pressures on the biosphere are growing rapidly, and a recent example is the current coronavirus disease 2019 (Covid-19) pandemic, linked to wildlife trade. Our results reemphasize the extreme urgency of taking much-expanded worldwide actions to save wild species and humanity’s crucial life-support systems from this existential threat.
User avatar
dohboi
Harmless Drudge
Harmless Drudge
 
Posts: 19990
Joined: Mon 05 Dec 2005, 04:00:00

Re: THE Deforestation Thread pt. 2

Unread postby JuanP » Sun 10 Jan 2021, 22:46:53

"2020 another grim year for Brazilian Amazon"
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202101/1212352.shtml

This is a Global Times reprint of an AFP article. Jair Bolsonaro is the worst Brazilian President in the country's history. He also completely f***ed up Brazil's management of the COVID-19 pandemic.

"Brazilian space agency INPE identified 8,426 square kilometers of Amazon rainforest lost to deforestation in 2020, using its DETER monitoring program, which analyzes satellite images to track the destruction monthly. That was the second-most devastating year for Brazil's share of the world's biggest rainforest since the program was launched in 2015.

The amount of forest destroyed was only larger in 2019, when the figure came in at 9,178 square kilometers.

Environmentalists underlined that those were also the first two years in office for far-right President Jair Bolsonaro, who has cut funding for environmental programs and pushed to open protected Amazon lands to agribusiness and mining."
"Human stupidity has no limits" JuanP
JuanP
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1957
Joined: Sat 16 Aug 2014, 15:06:32

Re: THE Deforestation Thread pt. 2

Unread postby dissident » Mon 11 Jan 2021, 01:39:44

Sooner rather than later the Brazilian rain forest will flip into a savanna regime. The "rain" part of this rain forest is induced by the forest itself through organic aerosol formation. It is not some independent water flux that will exist if the forest is removed. In addition, the nutrient cycle in this forest system is closed and will disappear together with forest. The soils are, ironically, leeched of their nutrient value by the rain that the forest induces. The slash and burn agriculture practiced in Brazil will disappear together with the forest.

Brazil is an example of what is wrong with humans. If there is an abundance of some resource (oil, forest land), then it will be driven into oblivion in the fastest way to make some easy money. Zero long term planning and provisioning. Just pretend it will last forever. Like the old growth white pine in Canada which was destroyed in less than 50 years.
dissident
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 6458
Joined: Sat 08 Apr 2006, 03:00:00

PreviousNext

Return to Environment, Weather & Climate

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 79 guests