dissident wrote:"Embracing climate change"?
That's like saying that one will adapt after leaping into the blast furnace. Clearly, the scope of the problem is not being appreciated by various people.
That's like saying that one will adapt after leaping into the blast furnace.
Newfie wrote:That’s the hard part, accepting we have no choice.
I struggle with that, my brain gets it, my heart not so much.
Newfie wrote:That’s the hard part, accepting we have no choice.
I struggle with that, my brain gets it, my heart not so much.
Newfie wrote:I hear ya Ibon, but having trouble letting go.
I may come in time, or not.
Most of the IPCC scenarios for limiting global warming to 2 °C assume that humanity will burn twice as much fossil fuel as the current carbon budget allows, but that unproven technologies for carbon capture and atmospheric removal eliminate the excess.
Ibon wrote:
I used to struggle with that more. The heart can follow the mind as you set your trajectory to a deeper time perspective that will follow the decline of the invasive plague of humans on the planet.
The reason I embrace climate change as a solution is the role it will play in correcting human over population.
Before you start with the rebuttal how biodiversity will also suffer just remember that even before climate change consequences appear we have already altered more than 60% of terrestrial natural ecosystems converting them over to man made habitat along with our slave crops and livestock.
In other words, I am seeing this not from the damage that is coming due to climate change but from the correction to damage already done. Once the juggernaut of humanity recedes nature will recolonize former human habitat. I am reminded of this every time I look at a reforesting hillside rich in diversity here at Totumas that was pasture just 7 years ago.
Climate change as a wedge to disrupt the human juggernaut. That reality warms my heart.
If your heart's loyalty is to humans having a balanced place in our biosphere then embracing climate change as a solution to getting us there is not that far fetched.
Especially when you realize we don't have a choice any longer. As recently as 10 years ago my sentiments would have been considered deeply cynical since one could have argued that noble humans need to step up to the plate and do the right thing. But we all know that human agency has failed. We have made a collective choice to surrender our fate over to the consequences of our collective inaction.
Instead of pissing and moaning and getting depressed over this failure embrace it.
ralfy wrote: but I get this feeling that most will not receive it with a "warm heart" because included with those who will be suffering and dying horribly are their loved ones, including the young. In which case, the desperate drive to survive will replace that "balanced place."
KaiserJeep wrote:If you do it correctly, your descendants will thrive. If you don't have any descendants, well, never mind, you lost the race already. So go ahead, post inflammatory and grandiose threads in this Forum, about how scr*wed we are. Spin the numbers to predict the time and place of Doom. It does not matter for YOU, after all.
onlooker wrote:I think the fascinating aspect of a ;post Collapse world is how will humans react or act. Some say we will descend into total barbarism and life will be nothing but a fight for survival. Frankly, I do not know what exactly will happen but I like to think that we are capable of so much better. And that as Ibon says this era of Contraction and Chaos will bring out a inspiring sense of fraternity and caring among the survivors. That they will keenly understand that they must truly live in harmony with each other and with Nature. That they will develop a noble and altruistic mindset unlike any that our species has ever displayed precisely because they will be humbled as we have never been humbled before . They will go through the Fire and be purged of the nasty and negative emotions that have so plagued our species for so long.
Ibon wrote:Perhaps it is worth considering that humans who lose loved ones and live with less certainty about a guaranteed long life usually end up being more humble than those who feel entitled to having a pain free life. There is more desperation with those who never lost a loved one, who never suffered.
Suffering over loss is a familiar emotion that our species evolved with for much of our uncertain past. All of this talk about desperation in dealing with upcoming hardships is really about the current spoiled crop of entitled humans who have not known suffering.
Suffering is an elixer and is good for the collective soul. Let's bring it on. It will deepen our life, make us more spiritual, rekindle deeper religious sentiments, make us humble, start to teach us our balanced place in the biosphere.
Paradoxically, the heart matures and is warmed when handling suffering. A life free of suffering hardens the heart.
STOP FEARING SUFFERING AND DEATH.
Ibon wrote:
All of us obsolete aging baby boomers do not have to really concern ourselves with strategic planning of climate change.
More importantly, I do not even recommend this for my own offspring who will most likely live to see increasing climate chaos.
I think strategic planning is mostly a coping mechanism because of fear one feels today in anticipation of an uncertain future that in the end will in most cases fail to actually increase your survival.
In times of deepening chaos those who focus on serving others and focus less on their personal survival often find themselves more integrated in communities that are under stress.
I see my daughters in the thick of it, in the chaotic soup of the consequences, persevering or perishing but not defensive. Kind of like the Joad family in the Grapes of Wrath.
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