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When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby M_B_S » Wed 25 Apr 2018, 03:47:23

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It is the year 2035 and life on Earth is continuing much as it has for the last half century. The human population has increased faster than expected and is now thought to exceed nine billion people. This unrelenting human expansion has led to increasing environmental degradation.
Edward Payton, a renowned environmental scientist, is appalled that world leaders are far more concerned about the stagnating global economy, terrorism and illegal immigration, than the deteriorating environment.
But a day arrives when all of this changes!
Supreme Beings representing the Galactic Federation revisit the planet after a 50 000 year hiatus. What they find is absolutely horrifying. Whereas 50 000 years ago the planet was regarded as the galaxy’s greatest miracle in terms of diversity of life, it is now on the brink of catastrophic environmental collapse. The Supreme Beings quickly establish what the cause of the environmental devastation is, and are shocked. Their mission to research the planet suddenly becomes one to save it…
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Did YOU here him ?

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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Wed 25 Apr 2018, 13:15:49

M_B_S wrote:A brilliant mind is warning us all !

Did YOU here him ?

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Really?

So we need to resort to space aliens to have a novel about how climate change might play out over the next century?

...

I would find an account of how a lot of normal people get a good ass-kicking from a series of worsening weather, food, temperature, disease, SLR, etc. events, told in a believable and interesting way a LOT more like something I'd like to read.

For those who want to tie this problem to science fiction, I'd prefer you stay off my side.

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"hear", BTW.
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Wed 25 Apr 2018, 13:47:56

Really and truly, you like to submerge yourself in Doom, with nothing to provide any entertainment value?

AFAIAC, that is just sickness. You are wallowing in thoughts of the end of the world.

You are also missing out on some of the best entertainment available. The Expanse is in it's 3rd season on the SciFy channel:

http://peakoil.com/forums/the-expanse-t73091.html

It's basically the story of a 3-way conflict between Mars (the biggest Earth colony), the impoverished miners of the asteroid belt, and Earth itself, bloated and reeling from Climate Change and Sea Level Rise, with the UN ruling Earth from NYC, with UN HQ behind the dikes that hold back the sea:
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...while Earth reels from a 30 billion human population, propped up by material imports from it's colonies.
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby onlooker » Wed 25 Apr 2018, 15:05:23

Hey, with the way things are going on here on Earth maybe our only hope is ET
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby dohboi » Thu 26 Apr 2018, 08:18:26

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... re-mention


'We're doomed':
Mayer Hillman on the climate reality no one else will dare mention

By Patrick Barkham

The 86-year-old social scientist says accepting the impending end of most life on Earth might be the very thing needed to help us prolong it


“We’re doomed,” says Mayer Hillman with such a beaming smile that it takes a moment for the words to sink in. “The outcome is death, and it’s the end of most life on the planet because we’re so dependent on the burning of fossil fuels. There are no means of reversing the process which is melting the polar ice caps. And very few appear to be prepared to say so.”

Hillman, an 86-year-old social scientist and senior fellow emeritus of the Policy Studies Institute, does say so. His bleak forecast of the consequence of runaway climate change, he says without fanfare, is his “last will and testament”. His last intervention in public life. “I’m not going to write anymore because there’s nothing more that can be said,” he says when I first hear him speak to a stunned audience at the University of East Anglia late last year.

From Malthus to the Millennium Bug, apocalyptic thinking has a poor track record. But when it issues from Hillman, it may be worth paying attention. Over nearly 60 years, his research has used factual data to challenge policymakers’ conventional wisdom...
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby onlooker » Thu 26 Apr 2018, 08:34:59

Maybe numerous more scientists felt like this in their educated conclusions but either were coerced into silence or were uncomfortable enunciating this dramatic opinion. In any case, the science has been clear enough to warrant a much more vigorous response from all segments of world society considering that the stakes are so high.
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby M_B_S » Fri 27 Apr 2018, 02:22:08

I show you things you have never seen

https://www.mindofafox.com/?p=1321

Biodiversity

The following world map published on the London Natural History Museum website gives a holistic view of worldwide biodiversity loss. The colours depict remaining populations of indigenous species as a percentage of their original populations – blue areas remain within safe limits, while red areas are beyond.

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wake-up call: environmental decline will be followed by human decline
March 24, 2018 by Robert J. Traydon
All the environmental signs are pointing to an imminent human catastrophe.
Although environmental conquest has long been the hallmark of human expansion, it is only in the last 50 years that the rate of environmental decline has gone exponential.

Traditionally a consequence of human activity alone, this decline is now being amplified by climate change and warming oceans. If left unchecked, the compound effect of these threats will push our planet’s ecological equilibrium over a tipping point and devastate our civilisation in the process.

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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby dohboi » Sun 29 Apr 2018, 12:07:05

Thanks for the map, M.

Meanwhile:

Experts on future food supply indicate that: climate change, pollution, biodiversity degradation, soil degradation and increasing world population; means that limited food supplies could move from the current problem situation into a crisis situation well before the end of the century:

Title: "Analysis: Pessimism on the food front"

http://www.dailyclimate.org/what-are-th ... 80710.html

Virtually all trends, biophysical and socioeconomic, suggest that levels of hunger, already high, will only increase as the human population grows and its life-support systems are degraded. Steps that might ameliorate the situation are, unhappily, nowhere in sight.

Is it likely humanity will satisfactorily feed 11 billion people around the end of this century? A quick response would be "of course not"

—after 60 years of assurances that the food problem would be solved, we're not feeding 7.5 billion today.

Indeed, the number of undernourished people in the world has been rising since 2014, reaching an estimated 815 million in 2016, and several billion suffer levels of serious micronutrient malnourishment.
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 29 Apr 2018, 13:05:26

It’s just LTG restated, no?
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby onlooker » Sun 29 Apr 2018, 13:41:47

Lester Brown of World Watch Institute
The Persistent Prophet--Lester Brown's New-Found Optimism
Lester Brown, at times ridiculed, has been warning the world for 40 years about coalescing energy, food and population crises. So why is he optimistic now?


https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... t-prophet/
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby onlooker » Sun 29 Apr 2018, 15:39:39

Sad to say but Lester's optimism may have been misplaced. Renewable energy in the last decade has NOT advanced significantly. And the worldwide response to climate change has been frankly woeful as evidenced by the toothless climate treaties. And finally, in the last decade the worldwide human population kept increasing as did CO2 emissions
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby M_B_S » Fri 11 May 2018, 02:54:38

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-t ... d=12048800

Talking Point: Living Through the Great Dying
11 May, 2018 8:00am

The sixth world-wide mass extinction event, the one resulting from Homo sapiens killing off 95 per cent of the other living species, is now well under way.

Future geological layers will show it as having happened already, because nearly all of the land-based megafauna species, the ones whose fossil bones are most useful for dating purposes, have already been wiped out.

After each successive land mass was invaded by Homo sapiens, it took our species only a few thousand years to exterminate our largest competitors.

Only in Africa, where our species co-evolved with other large animals over millions of years, did other species have time to start adapting to the new peak predator invading their territory.

Living through the Great Dying is not going to be easy. Not even for multi-billionaires, like Trump donor Peter Thiel, now a N.Z. citizen, when he moves south to live on his newly-acquired block of New Zealand land, next to one of the largest, deepest, purest reserves of fresh water in the Southern Hemisphere.


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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby Newfie » Fri 11 May 2018, 07:43:41

Never heard of Peter Thiel before, I live under quite a thick rock.

Interesting guy. Supports Seasteading and voted for Trump.
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby M_B_S » Mon 18 Jun 2018, 02:38:16

NOW! - The insect "Armageddon"

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... on-decline

Where have all our insects gone?
There is a crisis in the countryside – and a massive decline in insect numbers could have significant consequences for the environment
by Robin McKie, Observer science editor

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An insect Armageddon is under way, say many entomologists, the result of a multiple whammy of environmental impacts: pollution, habitat changes, overuse of pesticides, and global warming. And it is a decline that could have crucial consequences. Our creepy crawlies may have unsettling looks but they lie at the foot of a wildlife food chain that makes them vitally important to the makeup and nature of the countryside. They are “the little things that run the world” according to the distinguished Harvard biologist Edward O Wilson, who once observed: “If all humankind were to disappear, the world would regenerate back to the rich state of equilibrium that existed 10,000 years ago. If insects were to vanish, the environment would collapse into chaos.”
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby onlooker » Mon 18 Jun 2018, 09:12:29

However, the warning signs that Wolfgang Kießling’s team found towards the end of the Permian Period can already be seen today. “The increased rate of extinction in all habitats we are currently observing is attributable to the direct influence of humans, such as destruction of habitat, over-fishing, and pollution. However, the dwarfing of animal species in the oceans in particular can be quite clearly attributed to climate change. We should take these signs very seriously.”

Mass extinctions throughout the history of the Earth have been well documented. Scientists believe that they occurred during a short period of time in geological terms. In a new study, FAU palaeobiologists and their research partners have now shown that signs that the largest mass extinction event in the Earth’s history was approaching became apparent much earlier than previously believed, and point out that the same indicators can be observed today.


https://www.fau.eu/2018/03/14/news/rese ... r-warning/
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby onlooker » Mon 18 Jun 2018, 09:12:29

However, the warning signs that Wolfgang Kießling’s team found towards the end of the Permian Period can already be seen today. “The increased rate of extinction in all habitats we are currently observing is attributable to the direct influence of humans, such as destruction of habitat, over-fishing, and pollution. However, the dwarfing of animal species in the oceans in particular can be quite clearly attributed to climate change. We should take these signs very seriously.”

Mass extinctions throughout the history of the Earth have been well documented. Scientists believe that they occurred during a short period of time in geological terms. In a new study, FAU palaeobiologists and their research partners have now shown that signs that the largest mass extinction event in the Earth’s history was approaching became apparent much earlier than previously believed, and point out that the same indicators can be observed today.


https://www.fau.eu/2018/03/14/news/rese ... r-warning/
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Mon 18 Jun 2018, 10:34:24

Mass extinctions throughout the history of the Earth have been well documented. Scientists believe that they occurred during a short period of time in geological terms. I


That "short period of time" is about 69,000 years according to

Burgess, S.D., Bowring, S., Shen, S.-Z., 2014. High-precision timeline for Earth’s most severe extinction. Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. U.S.A. 111 3316-3321

For comparison sake about 70,000 years ago was the first evidence of humans wearing clothes and not much after the apparent disappearance of H.S. Neanderthalensis.
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 18 Jun 2018, 11:23:23

rockdoc123 wrote:
Mass extinctions throughout the history of the Earth have been well documented. Scientists believe that they occurred during a short period of time in geological terms. I


That "short period of time" is about 69,000 years according to

Burgess, S.D., Bowring, S., Shen, S.-Z., 2014. High-precision timeline for Earth’s most severe extinction. Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. U.S.A. 111 3316-3321

For comparison sake about 70,000 years ago was the first evidence of humans wearing clothes and not much after the apparent disappearance of H.S. Neanderthalensis.


That particular event is thought to have taken about 70,000 years. But its misleading to present that one event as indicating it takes tens of thousands of years for geologic events to occur.

The record is very clear that other important geologic events have happened much more rapidly. For instance, the dramatic climate change at the start of the Younger Dryas event took place in under 10 years. And this is far from unusual---there ca. 20 somewhat smaller but looking similar extremely rapid climate shifts called DO events recorded in paleoclimatic records just from the last glacial cycle. And there are multiple Heinrich events recording very rapid shifts in ice sheet behavior and iceberg discharge rates.

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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Mon 18 Jun 2018, 11:55:04

That particular event is thought to have taken about 70,000 years. But its misleading to present that one event as indicating it takes tens of thousands of years for geologic events to occur.


Once again you demonstrate your innate ability to misinterpret pretty much everything that is ever said. I was referring to the extinction event (Permian) where everyone likes to go to talk about the 90% of life extinguished due to some event, it was far from short lived.

Wasn't talking about specific geologic events at all. Give your head a shake.
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby onlooker » Mon 18 Jun 2018, 13:56:16

Well,Rockdoc, any observations with respect to the warning signs manifesting that a New Mass Extinction Event is coming?
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