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Re: Peace in Syria is LITERALLY a pipe dream

Unread postby Cog » Wed 02 Dec 2015, 05:20:37

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Re: Peace in Syria is LITERALLY a pipe dream

Unread postby Tanada » Wed 02 Dec 2015, 09:16:01

Will the gas from either nation last long enough to justify the cost of a pipeline vs using LNG tankers through Suez?
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Re: Peace in Syria is LITERALLY a pipe dream

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Thu 03 Dec 2015, 08:57:02

T - Very good: now you're thinking like the Rockman. And his answer: f*ck if I know. LOL. Regardless of any economic model I suspect the risk factor between supply disruptions from the fields and along any pipeline route would dominate the decision process. For instance how would you feel if 5 years ago you had invested $X BILLIONS into a pipeline that today runs through ISIS controlled territory?
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Re: Peace in Syria is LITERALLY a pipe dream

Unread postby Tanada » Thu 03 Dec 2015, 09:23:18

ROCKMAN wrote:T - Very good: now you're thinking like the Rockman. And his answer: f*ck if I know. LOL. Regardless of any economic model I suspect the risk factor between supply disruptions from the fields and along any pipeline route would dominate the decision process. For instance how would you feel if 5 years ago you had invested $X BILLIONS into a pipeline that today runs through ISIS controlled territory?


Excellent point, look at that proposed Iran pipeline route. It goes straight through Iraq and Syria, two countries that have been getting bombs dropped on their territory for generations.

The proposed Qatar route is even worse! Much better for Iran to complete the interconnect with the Russian system, sell them the gas and let them deal with finding customers for it. They could put the first portion in the middle of the Caspian Sea where it would be pretty secure. For Qatar a route across the Saudi Peninsula and the Sinai Peninsula then on through the Mediterranean Sea to Europe would be extremely more secure than the hodgepodge of countries on the route proposed by the author.
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Re: Peace in Syria is LITERALLY a pipe dream

Unread postby frankthetank » Fri 04 Dec 2015, 11:07:56

Not happening... Iran is investing in LNG.

I also could see them sending gas north to Russia and then on to Europe. Russia could probably make a nice profit on the deal.
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Re: Peace in Syria is LITERALLY a pipe dream

Unread postby Synapsid » Fri 04 Dec 2015, 16:24:53

Tanada,

Iran has stated interest in the Trans Anatolian Pipeline (TANAP, currently building) as an investor with possible sign-up as a user later. Turkey might be more interested in having them in, now that Russia is acting less friendly (with good reason). That would bypass the Russian system altogether. TANAP is to bring NG coming from Azerbaijan through Turkey to the border with the EU.

Turkey may be becoming a planning target for all that LNG the US is to begin exporting, I believe next month. If we have the NG.
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Re: Peace in Syria is LITERALLY a pipe dream

Unread postby Tanada » Fri 04 Dec 2015, 23:30:10

Synapsid wrote:Tanada,

Iran has stated interest in the Trans Anatolian Pipeline (TANAP, currently building) as an investor with possible sign-up as a user later. Turkey might be more interested in having them in, now that Russia is acting less friendly (with good reason). That would bypass the Russian system altogether. TANAP is to bring NG coming from Azerbaijan through Turkey to the border with the EU.

Turkey may be becoming a planning target for all that LNG the US is to begin exporting, I believe next month. If we have the NG.


I couldn't find a decent map of the TANAP route online, but if such a thing is successfully built it would also open the prospect for an oil pipeline from Iran/Persian Gulf to the EU using the same rout. That would make shipping a lot more convenient, though depending on international politics it might not be any cheaper or more secure than using large ships. It seems to me that Iraq used to pipe oil through Syria and deliver it to ships.
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Re: Peace in Syria is LITERALLY a pipe dream

Unread postby Synapsid » Sat 05 Dec 2015, 12:27:00

Tanada,

Yes, from here that looks like it would be a sensible idea. It would involve only Iran and Turkey but the political realities are doubtful at the moment. Turkey says Assad must go and Iran is spending money and blood to keep him in power.

The Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline would serve to get Iranian oil to the Mediterranean, and Iran could connect to it in Azerbaijan, Georgia or in Turkey. That would be much less expensive than building a pipeline parallel to TANAP all the way across Turkey to the EU. Ceyhan is the export point for Kurdish oil, and it's thought to see some ISIS oil pass through too (shh...); it could handle Iranian oil as well, I expect.

The wild card is Erdogan. For the last couple of years he seems to me to be showing a sense of entitlement that is useful to an autocrat but that doesn't bode well for acting rationally whenever he feels like throwing his weight around. He's pretty much alienated the countries around him. He announced that if anyone could prove a connection between his family and the delivery and selling of ISIS oil then he would step down, for the honor of the nation. I'd believe that when I saw it happen; it would be one of the best things that could happen in the region if it did.
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Unread postby AdamB » Mon 02 Apr 2018, 15:33:15


“Peace with Honor” was President Nixon’s anodyne phrase for futzing around as long as possible in Vietnam to conceal the reality that the US military was getting its ass kicked by what we had initially thought was a 98-pound weakling of a Third World country. That was a half-century ago and I remember it now at age 106 thanks to my diet of kale and pepperoni sticks. Not ironically, the long struggle finally ended a few years after Nixon quit the scene, with the last straggling American evacuees waiting desperately for helicopter airlifts off the US embassy roof. And now, of course, Vietnam is a tourism hot-spot. And so just the other day, the latest POTUS declared (in his usual way) that “we’ll be coming out of Syria, like, very soon. Let the other people take care of it now.” The


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Re: Peace in Syria is LITERALLY a pipe dream

Unread postby Rod_Cloutier » Sun 08 Apr 2018, 08:51:24

Wait 5,000 years...we'll have peace in Syria
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Re: Peace in Syria is LITERALLY a pipe dream

Unread postby asg70 » Sun 08 Apr 2018, 10:32:23

"overcooked story of Vladimir Putin personally moving to poison the Russian/British double agent Skripal"


"problems that are sure to spread around other regions of the world in the years ahead. Nature’s way of correcting those imbalances is very ugly, and easily mistaken for mere politics."

Funny that in the same breath Kunstler both engages in and chides "mere politics". He really has a schizoid way of blogging these days.
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Re: Peace in Syria is LITERALLY a pipe dream

Unread postby onlooker » Sun 08 Apr 2018, 12:04:54

I don't think you can practically separate interactions among different players on the world stage and the natural instigators of stress ie. Limits to growth factors. They are intricately interwoven in all the venues where people and nations interact given their fundamental importance to human welfare and well being
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Re: Peace in Syria is LITERALLY a pipe dream

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 08 Apr 2018, 19:49:27

CNN reports that Syrians say Obama lied to them about removing chemical weapons from the Syrian regime

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"I would just like to ask first before anything else, President Obama to apologize to the Syrian people and to the American people because he lied t0 our faces back in 2014 when he said he took out Assad’s chemical weapons,” Eid said on CNN’s New Day.

More than 100 chemical attacks happened since 2014 until now. More than 100 attacks. So president Obama owes us an apology,” he added.

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Re: Peace in Syria is LITERALLY a pipe dream

Unread postby onlooker » Fri 13 Apr 2018, 12:57:05

The details are emerging of a new secret and quite stupid Saudi-US deal on Syria and the so-called ISIS. It involves oil and gas control of the entire region and the weakening of Russia and Iran by Saudi Arabian flooding the world market with cheap oil. Details were concluded in the September meeting by US Secretary of State John Kerry and the Saudi King. The unintended consequence will be to push Russia even faster to turn east to China and Eurasia.


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Re: Peace in Syria is LITERALLY a pipe dream

Unread postby onlooker » Fri 13 Apr 2018, 18:55:35

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05- ... dent-assad

Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS As A "Tool" To Overthrow Syria's President Assad
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Re: Peace in Syria is LITERALLY a pipe dream

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Sun 15 Apr 2018, 12:04:11

Silly thread title. Peace in Syria is getting closer every day. Once Assad has finished killing or forcing out all oppositions Syria will be one of the most peaceful countries in the ME..
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Re: Peace in Syria is LITERALLY a pipe dream

Unread postby asg70 » Sun 15 Apr 2018, 12:36:29

onlooker wrote:https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-23/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-us-created-isis-tool-overthrow-syrias-president-assad

Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS As A "Tool" To Overthrow Syria's President Assad


two for two on the tinfoil clickbait front. Some things never change here on peakoil.com.

CIA funds finding their way to ISIS was an accident, not by design. The problem is that rebel groups in the middle east tend to be led by extremists so it's very hard to bolster moderate voices if they are the minority component (and shrinking).
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Re: Peace in Syria is LITERALLY a pipe dream

Unread postby onlooker » Sun 15 Apr 2018, 13:31:40

asg70 wrote:
onlooker wrote:https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-23/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-us-created-isis-tool-overthrow-syrias-president-assad

Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS As A "Tool" To Overthrow Syria's President Assad


two for two on the tinfoil clickbait front. Some things never change here on peakoil.com.

CIA funds finding their way to ISIS was an accident, not by design. The problem is that rebel groups in the middle east tend to be led by extremists so it's very hard to bolster moderate voices if they are the minority component (and shrinking).

It is one thing doubting the opinion of site contributors another doubting a paper produced by official military sources. Have to agree some things never change on this site :lol:
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Re: Peace in Syria is LITERALLY a pipe dream

Unread postby dissident » Mon 16 Apr 2018, 13:24:51

onlooker wrote:
asg70 wrote:
onlooker wrote:https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-23/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-us-created-isis-tool-overthrow-syrias-president-assad

Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS As A "Tool" To Overthrow Syria's President Assad


two for two on the tinfoil clickbait front. Some things never change here on peakoil.com.

CIA funds finding their way to ISIS was an accident, not by design. The problem is that rebel groups in the middle east tend to be led by extremists so it's very hard to bolster moderate voices if they are the minority component (and shrinking).

It is one thing doubting the opinion of site contributors another doubting a paper produced by official military sources. Have to agree some things never change on this site :lol:


Deluded cherry pickers will keep on cherry picking. Nothing could ever change their minds, by definition. Another term for such people is zealots. Only their opinion is valid and they will never change their opinion. So why bother with such trash?
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