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Re: Florida shooting

Unread postby jedrider » Wed 28 Feb 2018, 11:50:19

Cog wrote:As VT and KJ have explained, mass shootings are statistically an insignificant source of death by gun or any other form of death.


True. Most people die from OTHER causes of death 8O

Interesting how the NRA and Florida respond, just like Archie Bunker did in 1970. That shows you the type of arguments put forth to promote the proliferation of guns:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/archie-bunker-gun-control_us_5a9659f6e4b0e6a523029b72
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Re: Florida shooting

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Wed 28 Feb 2018, 12:19:35

Understand, NOBODY is promoting the proliferation of guns. Somebody started a rumor about 8 years ago, that Obama was going to ban the sale of the AR-15 type weapons. Immediately sales went through the roof, and the number of AR-15s in civilian hands went from 1.5 million to 8 million in a short period of time.

The right to keep and bear arms is a much beloved right found in the US Constitution. At this point in time, the US civilians have several times the number of guns as all of the US Armed Forces.
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Re: Florida shooting

Unread postby onlooker » Wed 28 Feb 2018, 20:14:57

Bolsters the psychological disorder angle for shooter
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Re: Florida shooting

Unread postby Cog » Fri 02 Mar 2018, 12:39:56

Governor Bevin answering a question about gun violence and societal influences. For me he nails what is wrong with a sick society. Your thoughts?

About eight minutes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6XTVuUP0Ho
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Re: Florida shooting

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Fri 02 Mar 2018, 14:58:48

I think he hit the nail on the head. The problem we have is changing mores and changing culture and (yes, I'll admit it) technology that gives you this view of a virtual world:
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..YES this is an AR-15 type weapon in an urban landscape similar to many schools. There is also a score representing total kills.

IMHO, everybody should watch the 8 minute video above.
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Re: Florida shooting

Unread postby Newfie » Fri 02 Mar 2018, 15:54:51

Dad was a lifetime NRA member. We always had a 410 laying in the corner with a box of shells handy.

Dad always said handguns are meant for one thing, killing people.

I was not allowed to own toy guns but got a real shotgun at 10yo.

That mindset died a long time ago for the vast majority of this country.

Funny, think of it this way, does pornography increase the chance of rape? I’ve heard arguments both ways. I find porn more entertaining and less disturbing than these shooter games, or much TV or movies for that matter.
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Re: Florida shooting

Unread postby Newfie » Fri 02 Mar 2018, 19:04:56

Just to add some levity, it’s even weirder than the title suggests

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1GC2V3
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Re: Florida shooting

Unread postby Ibon » Fri 02 Mar 2018, 21:18:40

Cog wrote:Governor Bevin answering a question about gun violence and societal influences. For me he nails what is wrong with a sick society. Your thoughts?

About eight minutes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6XTVuUP0Ho


I agree with him. It is an amoral screwed society that voted for Donald Trump.
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Re: Florida shooting

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Fri 02 Mar 2018, 21:47:03

Ibon, WTF is this obsession with Donald Trump? You drag his name into many threads, to no purpose that I can see.

The problems in the USA did not start with Donald Trump, and they won't end after he leaves office. Which will probably be after a second term, BTW, because he is doing a whole bunch of things that a whole bunch of people want to see done.

I don't like Trump. I also don't know anybody that does. But he is the effective antithesis of recent actions by the Democratic administrations of Obama, whom I regard as a huge disappointment.

There have been many bad presidents. In fact, they outnumber the good ones.
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Re: Florida shooting

Unread postby Ibon » Fri 02 Mar 2018, 22:07:53

KaiserJeep wrote:Ibon, WTF is this obsession with Donald Trump? You drag his name into many threads, to no purpose that I can see.


No obsession. I just don't understand how Cog can resonate with a video about moral decline in America on one hand and then vote and support an amoral president. There is a contradiction.

I liked the video by the way except for including the tens of millions of abortions as an example of moral decline. Abortions are about terminating an unwanted child. Unwanted children end up in broken families and are more susceptible to many of the destabilizing cultural trends the guy in the video was discussing. That seemed to be some serious cognitive dissonance.
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Re: Florida shooting

Unread postby Cog » Fri 02 Mar 2018, 22:24:00

Simply Wow.
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Re: Florida shooting

Unread postby AdamB » Sat 03 Mar 2018, 00:15:59

Ibon wrote:
Cog wrote:Governor Bevin answering a question about gun violence and societal influences. For me he nails what is wrong with a sick society. Your thoughts?

About eight minutes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6XTVuUP0Ho


I agree with him. It is an amoral screwed society that voted for Donald Trump.
You agree with this video and you voted for a man who grabs pussies and is a racist and launders millions of russian money to save his ass from running a casino into bankruptcy?


There is the part about "better than the alternative offered" as well of course.
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Re: Florida shooting

Unread postby jedrider » Sat 03 Mar 2018, 01:46:55

Cog wrote:Governor Bevin answering a question about gun violence and societal influences. For me he nails what is wrong with a sick society. Your thoughts?

About eight minutes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6XTVuUP0Ho


Yes, it is a sick society that wants to own assault rifles and do drugs. I say let them do drugs. We are fighting the wrong war.
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Re: Florida shooting

Unread postby Cog » Sat 03 Mar 2018, 07:25:24

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Re: Florida shooting

Unread postby Newfie » Sat 03 Mar 2018, 15:23:03

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Re: Florida shooting

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sat 03 Mar 2018, 15:27:16

Newfie wrote:Another interesting perspective.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/03/ ... -students/

You have to wonder how many more ticking time bombs are out there getting more primed each day. Will they set out to identify and intercept them in time or just sit on their rule books and do nothing?
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