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Re: Hong Kong Police remove CIA backed maggots from the stre

Unread postby SILENTTODD » Sat 13 Dec 2014, 13:28:09

sjn wrote:
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Withnail wrote:
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Was this guy one of those CIA Maggots too?


off topic post reported. We're talking about Hong Kong in 2014, not Beijing in 1989.


If your not aware Withnail, it's the same government, same dictators they had in 1989.

This isn't really true. Quite a lot has changed in the last 25 years, the social reform program was pretty much cancelled as a result of the backlash from 1989 protests; but the Capitalist reforms pushed on, and have travelled a long way in the last quarter-century. The Chinese political-economy today is driven by the same Neo-liberal Economic agenda as "The West", big finance and maximal exploitation of resources and the environment in the name of growth.


Same Mobsters running a different script. It's not like comparing the government of war time Japan to the one of current day.

Might want to explain to the people of Tibet how "changed" the PRC is.
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Re: Hong Kong Police remove CIA backed maggots from the stre

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Sat 13 Dec 2014, 13:54:10

SeaGypsy wrote: The last act of infamy by the USA was related to the early demise of the first elected President of the Federated States of Micronesia, which was detailed in that radical fringe rag called National Geographic.
I can't find any reference to that:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President ... Micronesia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tosiwo_Nakayama

There was some infamy in Indonesia and Indochina.
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Re: Hong Kong Police remove CIA backed maggots from the stre

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Sat 13 Dec 2014, 19:05:41

Sorry Kieth, need a key to Nat Geo archives to find the article I sighted. Was published early/mid 80's. My Mum has the mag but she's 72 & 2000 miles away. Anyone got an archive key?

The story was about the first elected President being assassinated shortly after his election. Details do seem hard to find, the article implied not that the US had done the deed directly necessarily but that it was done because he opposed US base development at Guam.
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Re: Hong Kong Police remove CIA backed maggots from the stre

Unread postby Shaved Monkey » Sat 13 Dec 2014, 19:15:07

!%ers are going to 1%
They always have their geopolitical interest looked after.
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Re: Hong Kong Police remove CIA backed maggots from the stre

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Sat 13 Dec 2014, 19:54:16

I suspect the 3% are quite fine with a nominal democratic main world framework, with China remaining essentially a command economy. Think of it as a bunch of farmers trying out techniques of stock management & it makes sense to have some variation in technique.

I suspect that western style democracy has been suited to the conditions in the up run of peak, but that command type systems are more likely to be resilient on the downslope. Either way, it is hat grabbing time.
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Re: Hong Kong Police remove CIA backed maggots from the stre

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Sat 13 Dec 2014, 19:58:31

SeaGypsy wrote:The story was about the first elected President being assassinated shortly after his election. Details do seem hard to find, the article implied not that the US had done the deed directly necessarily but that it was done because he opposed US base development at Guam.
Palau, I guess:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haruo_Remeliik
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Re: Hong Kong Police remove CIA backed maggots from the stre

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Sat 13 Dec 2014, 20:38:54

Oops, thanks for the memory jog Kieth.
I did read the histories of Indochina & Indonesia with regard to king making activities by the US. There are two sides at least to each of these. From my understanding, the most horrible & least talked about US action in SE Asia was the carpet bombing of Kampuchea.

Thing I was trying to emphasise to dissident is that in this part of the world we cannot hold our masters to account. All we can do is choose one.

Currently things are swinging China's way in SE Asia. Thailand, Laos & Malaysia are allowing Chinese construction of a major highway to Singapore. Huge projects of significance like this, not a bridge here & there or school or hospital, but thousands of miles of road & rail, port infrastructure.
Put this together with China's relatively impeccable record aside from Tibet & North India, a world away to SE Asians, well you can see where I'm going...
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Re: Hong Kong Police remove CIA backed maggots from the stre

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Sat 13 Dec 2014, 21:16:10

SeaGypsy wrote:Have you ever been south of the Himalayas Dis? I doubt it. The USA is broadly respected as a matter of course in the subcontinent & SE Asia, Japan & the Pacific.
More than China in some places:
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Re: Hong Kong Police remove CIA backed maggots from the stre

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Sat 13 Dec 2014, 23:26:48

For sure this is a poll based map not policy based. Not to deride public opinion but when a democracy sends in troops in support of only one other country, you could say this is a close relationship. Canada & Australia for instance, huge trade partners with China, absolutely militarily aligned with the USA. Public opinion is trumped by public policy. Look at Africa, like there is no significant American or Chinese influence?!? Really? Of course not.
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Re: Hong Kong Police remove CIA backed maggots from the stre

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sun 14 Dec 2014, 02:56:42

Strummer wrote:Just like Ukraine, right?


No, Ukraine is different, Ukraine is in Europe, Ukraine has ties with Lithuania and Estonia and Poland and the Czechs, Ukraine wants to be European, Ukraine wants to join he club like the rest of the old warsaw pact did.

Hong Kong though was just abandoned, it's way off over there in China and the Brits signed it away on promises from Beijing.

Hong Kongers were abandoned by the West, abandoned by the UK, and are stuck on their own.

So yeah there's a difference.
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Re: Hong Kong Police remove CIA backed maggots from the stre

Unread postby Shaved Monkey » Sun 14 Dec 2014, 05:10:05

Destabilising Russia and destabilising China are the things that unify them
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Re: Hong Kong Police remove CIA backed maggots from the stre

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sun 14 Dec 2014, 07:24:22

Shaved Monkey wrote:Destabilising Russia and destabilising China are the things that unify them


Seriously man, Washington and Ottawa have ignored Hong Kong.

Canada has that free trade thing it wants.

US has its own dealings with China; it has not turned aggressive to China, as it has with Moscow.

Hong Kongers are Westerners the West forgot about. Not the USA's problem to begin with of course, it's Britain that has a responsibility here.
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Re: Hong Kong Police remove CIA backed maggots from the stre

Unread postby Shaved Monkey » Sun 14 Dec 2014, 17:34:11

How would you know?
The media,a government statement announcing the fact ?
Only a wikileaks or a Snowden type leak will be able to tell you the truth but the truth is not what your supposed to here
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Re: Hong Kong Police remove CIA backed maggots from the stre

Unread postby Withnail » Sun 14 Dec 2014, 18:09:59

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Hong Kongers are Westerners the West forgot about. Not the USA's problem to begin with of course, it's Britain that has a responsibility here.


Hong Kong is China.

If the US or Britain mess with Chinese territory, they may well have a problem in that this may be viewed as an act of war by China.

Britain particularly needs to stop even thinking about meddling with other nuclear armed states.
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Re: Hong Kong Police remove CIA backed maggots from the stre

Unread postby JV153 » Wed 17 Dec 2014, 10:52:43

HK protesters are probably genuine.. I've met many Asian people and I can tell you they are very independent although friendly.. truth is most central government organizations are disintegrating right now.. it's the corporations that run things, has been that way for a while now.
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Re: THE Hong Kong Thread

Unread postby Tanada » Sat 10 Feb 2018, 16:41:29

18 killed in Hong Kong double-decker bus crash

Hong Kong police say 18 people were killed when a double-decker bus crashed in a suburb of the southern Chinese city.

A police spokeswoman says 15 men and three women were killed in the crash, which local media reports say happened when the bus tipped Saturday evening.

She had no more details and did not give her name, as is customary under department rules.

Photos and videos published by local media or posted by users on social media showed the gold-colored bus lying on its side while emergency workers treated injured passengers nearby.

The South China Morning Post newspaper said it was the Asian financial center's deadliest crash since a 2003 bus accident that killed 21.

UPDATES:

5:25 a.m.: Updated to revise the death toll from 19 to 18.

This article was first published at 5:10 a.m.


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