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Re: The resettling begins

Unread postby Tanada » Fri 27 Jan 2017, 09:59:04

Speaking of resettling, remember how one year ago there was a big media splash about hos coastal erosion in Pacifica California was about to topple some apartment blocks into the ocean? Well a year later two of the three blocks have been demolished and the city is planning the demolition of the third right now. BUT that is not the only place where crowded California is suffering problems with coastal erosion. A lot of State and Federal money is being spent on the impossible to win battle because California's excessive population gives them more political clout. Two pictures are at the link below the quote. How long until people get the message and withdraw all structures a mile or so from the beach?

In another stunning example of the unyielding destruction powerful winter storms can cause on the California coastline, State Parks officials are now faced with having to remove a home teetering over the edge of a Half Moon Bay bluff that eroded by nearly 30 feet the last few weeks.

The residence at the western-most edge of Alcatraz Avenue used to house State Parks workers, but was red-tagged after the earth below began crumbling even further this past weekend, according to the state agency.

Just a few blocks to the north, for the second winter in a row Mirada Road in El Granada took another beating. Portions of the street that separates homes and businesses from the ocean also succumbed to recent storms.

With many residents and officials noting coastal erosion was exacerbated in recent years, the exact cause has been up for debate. Some believe it could be a combination of factors — rising sea levels, more intense storms and a lack of protective sand collecting in Pillar Point Harbor that still hasn’t been dredged.

What is becoming clear, is that something needs to be done, said Half Moon Bay Mayor Debbie Ruddock.

“I really think that we need a multi-jurisdictional group here to look at erosion,” Ruddock said. “Looking at this year’s damage, I think it’s pretty clear that we need a group to look at this together — the city, county, state and Army Corps — to figure this out. The down-coast erosion has really taken off this year, it needs some joint attention.”

Residents in the area have decried the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers recently announcing its analysis of removing sand that collects inside the federally-built jetty at the harbor wasn’t worth the cost of dredging. Proponents argue replenishing the sand along the coastline just south of the harbor is vital to slowing, if not preventing, extreme erosion of the bluffs.

The San Mateo County Harbor District, which owns Pillar Point, is continuing to study the issue that has a variety of environmental implications. In the meantime, the various entities that have jurisdiction over areas of the coast are working on both short- and long-term repairs.

State Parks is in the process of determining whether to demolish or attempt to remove and relocate the single-family home, said Terry Kiser, superintendent of the Santa Cruz District.

“It all happened within the last month. We had a good bluff, I want to say 35 to 40 feet of bluff in front of that house before the first winter storm hit. Since then, it’s been an exponential rate of coastal retreat and erosion,” Kiser said.

Although the foundation is now exposed, officials are confident it will hold up while they determine next steps. State Parks is also considering whether to realign the segment of the California Coastal Trail running just east of the home to ensure the recreational asset isn’t compromised, Kiser said.

Unlike other entities with property along the coast, State Parks strives to manage its assets in a “natural” way, he said, differentiating it from armoring tactics such as using large boulders known as rip rap. He added the agency would be interested in collaborating with other agencies in discussing a more regional approach.

“Coastal access and the California Coastal Trail are very important resource for not just the residents that live on the coast, but people that visit the coast from all over,” Kiser said.

San Mateo County is also working toward repairing Mirada Road where, for the second year, extreme erosion was fueled by powerful winter storms.

The road, which is the main entry for several homes and businesses, is now marked by potholes and areas where large chunks of asphalt and bluff disappeared.

Most recently, the county raised the rip rap up to just above street level to help protect against crashing waves. In the long term, the county is planning what’s called a “soil nail wall” that requires drilling down and filling a series of holes with rebar or concrete, to provide more lasting protection against erosion, said Joe LoCoco, deputy director at Public Works.

Neither LoCoco nor Kiser could point to the harbor as the sole culprit for the extreme erosion experienced in recent years. LoCoco noted it’s hard to quantify the exact cause, instead pointed to a variety of factors that likely contribute to harsh conditions including sea level rise, the harbor breakwater trapping sand, winter storms and just the naturally occurring process of erosion.

“It’s just a lot of the same vulnerabilities that we’ve had for a long time,” LoCoco said.

There are a variety of storm-battered coastal areas prompting officials to consider options such as shoreline protection projects or even strategic retreat.

Last year, a joint county, city and Caltrans restoration project at Surfer’s Beach was completed to protect Highway 1 and restore beach access at the popular spot immediately south of the harbor.

To the north, the city of Pacifica has faced extreme consequences such as sinkholes, damage to its pier and needing to red-tag a 20-unit apartment building caused by last winter’s El Niño-fueled winter storms.

On Wednesday, the city and U.S. Rep. Jackie Speier, D-San Mateo, were pleased to announce several restoration projects expected to cost millions of dollars were being considered for federal and state funding related to disaster assistance and hazard mitigation grants.

To the south, Half Moon Bay is considering whether to realign a portion of the Coastal Trail at Poplar Beach near a recently relocated pedestrian bridge moved after the Seymour ditch widened at the bluffs. The county must also consider whether a capped landfill it manages nearby will one day need to be moved.

Mayor Ruddock, who met with Half Moon Bay staff to review the recent reports of damage in and surrounding the city, said she hopes officials from various levels of government begin considering a regional approach toward finding more permanent solutions.

“It’s a patchwork of jurisdictions in addition to a patchwork of repairs, rip rap and Band-Aids,” she said.

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Re: The resettling begins

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Fri 27 Jan 2017, 10:17:23

Always amazing to watch $billions spent on construction in areas where there are thousands (if not millions) of years of easily documented instability. Some years ago a mudslide took out a big chunk of a subdivision in hilly CA. In a video a geologist showed the sediment layers in a wall of a gully running thru the subdivision: dozens of layers several feet thick each representing mud slides that happened over thousands of years. So yeah, why not build a hundred $million worth of homes on top of the last mud slide deposit. What could go wrong? LOL.

No different then the govt buying out homeowners who got wiped out by floods because they built in a DOCUMENTED flood plain.
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Re: The resettling begins

Unread postby Cog » Fri 27 Jan 2017, 10:29:43

The government should not be involved at all if you choose to build in a flood plain, near the coast, or on a hillside subject to slides. The insurance companies can write policies for those areas, if they wish, and you can pay accordingly if you want to take the risk.

Yet another example of the government being involved in things they have no business being involved in.
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Re: The resettling begins

Unread postby onlooker » Fri 27 Jan 2017, 12:08:58

They're is no way any insurance companies could or would be involved in insuring such mega disaster flooding scenarios. I just see that as way too expensive for them and in fact, way too expensive for the whole of societies. At best we may be able to move people and even that is logistically and monetarily quite burdensome.
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Re: The resettling begins

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Fri 27 Jan 2017, 17:04:38

baha - Why not insure when the feds make it so cheap? A couple of years ago saw the guy that ran the federal insurance program that if they never had to cover another loss it would take 30 to 40 years to collect enough premiums (because they are rediculously low) to get the agency out of the red. From http://louisianafloodinsurance.us

Louisiana flood insurance - FEMA ranks flooding as the number one occurring natural disaster in the United States. Louisiana Flood Insurance, in association with National Flood Insurance, LLC, concentrates solely on flood insurance in the state of Louisiana. LFI's goal is to assist Louisiana residents with understanding flood insurance basics and to rectify the common misconceptions. Here are a few of these misconceptions:

Flood insurance policies are expensive to obtain. Provided a business or home is located in a low-to-moderate risk zone, the total premium cost could be as low as $129 a year.

Not living near a water source means a home or business is not located in a flood zone. Flood zones do not have to be located near a water source – flooding can occur anywhere that it rains or snows. In fact, FEMA has designated the entire state of Louisiana as a flood zone, with varying degrees of risk.

Louisiana Flood Insurance and its parent company National Flood Insurance, LLC, employ flood insurance specialists who are knowledgeable about flood insurance as well as current legislation as it pertains to the National Flood Insurance Program (NFIP). These specialists act as direct representatives of FEMA and process all flood insurance policies through the NFIP.
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Re: Will the "North" shoot on Climate Refugees soon?!

Unread postby M_B_S » Mon 27 Feb 2017, 06:24:05

The Turkish anti refugee wall is ready!


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A concrete wall being built to stop illegal crossings along the length of Turkey's 900-km (560-mile) border with Syria will be finished by the end of February, an official at a Turkish state institution with knowledge of the project said on Wednesday.

Ankara has long been under pressure from its NATO allies to seal off the border with Islamic State-controlled territory in Syria and is also concerned by the presence of the Syrian Kurdish YPG militia, which controls most of its Syrian border.....
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Re: Will the "North" shoot on Climate Refugees soon?!

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Mon 27 Feb 2017, 10:45:53

Donlan - What part of "Irish Water" do you feel was a fiasco: the city folks having to now pay for their tap water? Or water meter installersdinstallersd being attacked? Or that a number of the poorly maintained distribution utilities putting out bacteria laden water that was to be boiled but still charging for the water?

Or the IMF that required such changes as part of its monetary bailout to Ireland?
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Re: Will the "North" shoot on Climate Refugees soon?!

Unread postby M_B_S » Tue 07 Mar 2017, 11:42:46

Europe Hungary: THE WALL IS READY!

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Anti refugee wall in Hungary is ready to defend Hungary against the coming (any) new refugee storm.

Meanwhile thousands of $ Millionärs fleeing Europe to "better or safer places"

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Re: Will the "North" shoot on Climate Refugees soon?!

Unread postby dohboi » Tue 07 Mar 2017, 13:21:08

I don't know if Donnie is going to start wars with all the folks he's already threatened so far (Mexico, Iran, China...), but I find it unlikely that he is going to be an influence that will help calm tensions in increasingly volatile border areas around the world.

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Re: Will the "North" shoot on Climate Refugees soon?!

Unread postby Newfie » Mon 24 Apr 2017, 12:47:19

Maybe we don't have to shoot, just turn a blind eye.

http://gcaptain.com/refugees-stranded-3 ... rgo-ships/
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Re: Will the "North" shoot on Climate Refugees soon?!

Unread postby dolanbaker » Mon 24 Apr 2017, 13:30:21

Newfie wrote:Maybe we don't have to shoot, just turn a blind eye.

http://gcaptain.com/refugees-stranded-3 ... rgo-ships/

In reality, it's only government agencies who are rescuing then anyway.
If they weren’t there, the "crisis" would soon evaporate as the smugglers don't want to risk going all the way to the southern European ports, it's much easier just to tow a raft a few miles out and cut it adrift and wait for the agency ship to collect them.
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Re: Will the "North" shoot on Climate Refugees soon?!

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 25 Apr 2017, 07:07:59

It is inevitable, it's in our genes.
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Re: Will the "North" shoot on Climate Refugees soon?!

Unread postby M_B_S » Tue 06 Jun 2017, 03:57:07

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYcSGzMWoog

NATO Warns Climate Change Will Trigger Food Shortages

Climate change will lead to “dire” food and water shortages, according to a draft report presented Monday to the NATO Parliamentary Assembly.
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Re: Will the "North" shoot on Climate Refugees soon?!

Unread postby dohboi » Tue 06 Jun 2017, 09:19:55

newf...all sorts of things are 'in our genes'

mostly though for young men the drive in their genes is how to get into someone else's jeans!!

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Re: Will the "North" shoot on Climate Refugees soon?!

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 06 Jun 2017, 12:09:59

Well, that's kinda how we got into this mess anyway. Too much of that.
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Re: Will the "North" shoot on Climate Refugees soon?!

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Tue 06 Jun 2017, 14:47:41

To get back on topic a bit.
I was in the local gun shop yesterday buying my hunting and fishing license for the year. They had a Barrett M82A1 on the counter for sale for something over $3,000.
This is a powerful weapon that shoots the 50 BMG round and is made to engage the enemy at 1000 meters. I chatted with the counter person about how expensive the ammo for it was and as I went on to other shopping I said "Don't sell that to anyone wearing a turban.
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Re: Will the "North" shoot on Climate Refugees soon?!

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 07 Jun 2017, 07:07:53

I wonder how you shoulder would feel after sighting it in.

A 308 will do for anything Mere mortals can sufficiently control.
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Re: Will the "North" shoot on Climate Refugees soon?!

Unread postby Cog » Wed 07 Jun 2017, 07:40:22

I've considered buying a Barrett but just can't seem to find a use for one. The ammo for it isn't cheap. $3/round is about the cheapest ammo I've seen.
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