KaiserJeep wrote:Why do I bother to even talk, I wonder? Read the message directly above yours. The climate changes all the time, and is in a 15,000 year warming trend, since the Ice Age. Not only does that not prove the AGW theory, it's completely normal, and evidence of warming is not evidence of AGW.
ralfy wrote:Just the fact that he confuses CC with AGW shows that my decision to put him in my ignore list makes a lot of sense.
ralfy wrote:Just the fact that he confuses CC with AGW shows that my decision to put him in my ignore list makes a lot of sense.
dohboi wrote:We may be near the peak in climate forcing (or not), but we are nowhere near the point of greatest impact of that forcing.
KaiserJeep wrote: In the USA they claim that 40% of our food is wasted - enough to feed another 150,000,000 people. A safety margin, if you will.
dohboi wrote: I guess I meant that, if crash comes soon, we will likely see a diminution in the amount of new CO2 and methane introduced into the system. Though of course ANY increase in CO2 and other ghg emissions will increase forcing.
litesong wrote:KaiserJeep wrote: In the USA they claim that 40% of our food is wasted - enough to feed another 150,000,000 people. A safety margin, if you will.
B-b--but-but-but what about my potato chips. I know... I know. The ice cream & the frozen meat will be gone because the refrigerator won't run & the chocolate candy will melt because there ain't gonna be no more A/C. We don't have enough property to grow more 'an about a month's worth of tomatoes & string beans. B-b--but-but-but what about my potato chips.
jedrider wrote:When the plentiful food system breaks down then that is the end......
ritter wrote:dohboi wrote: I guess I meant that, if crash comes soon, we will likely see a diminution in the amount of new CO2 and methane introduced into the system. Though of course ANY increase in CO2 and other ghg emissions will increase forcing.
Unfortunately, if things crash, I think there is an equal chance we revert to burning the cheapest, dirtiest fuels we can grub out of the ground.
litesong wrote:jedrider wrote:When the plentiful food system breaks down then that is the end......
The only food that provides more calories than calories it takes to produce is the potato. Not sure what that means. It may mean that potatoes may be the only food to be mass produced & able to be delivered to people economically. Other food may have to be produced locally...very locally. No strawberries in the winter. Best strawberries (& ears of corn) are produced in Washington state.....best boysenberries, too. Best huckleberries & blueberries are above 4000 feet in the Washington Cascade mountains.
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