Outcast_Searcher wrote:Ibon wrote:How about we focus on the inequities here at home and how to correct them?
With respect, I think completely ignoring all cultural differences between countries and just narrowing the focus to "at home" isn't necessarily the way to go. If one country's culture is (in some ways) fundamentally different than another's, the same policy may not work well for both of them. .
Outcast_Searcher wrote:
Given that the main point behind this whole site is that resources don't come from wishful thinking and that actions have consequences, it's amazing to me how strongly much of the board doesn't seem to be able to connect the dots when it comes to spending OTHER peoples' money on their redistributionist goals.
But I know, let's not talk about any of that, because it's politically incorrect.
onlooker wrote:Any thread about Scandinavian countries and their benefits merits its own thread about how in general those countries have a better standard of living than in most other countries. Let me give you just a quick list of quality of life traits that they are blessed with in comparison with most other countries: Crime, pollution, access to good healthcare, jobs, sewers, sufficient quality food, vacation time, decent affordable education, noise pollution and others probably I did not list. Notice how some of the measurements pertain also to some rich countries specifically the US with its litany of social problems. So all in all quite the contrast with most other countries in terms of wealth and population mainly but also social indicators. Oh and Outcast your right wing rhetoric is flagrantly misanthropic here. Part of what makes these Scandinavian countries so appealing is the sense of community and people together all doing what is right for the common good. Heck even the govt. seems inclined to be nice and generous to their citizens. So all you Socialism haters what have you to say now.
onlooker wrote:Any thread about Scandinavian countries and their benefits merits its own thread about how in general those countries have a better standard of living than in most other countries. Let me give you just a quick list of quality of life traits that they are blessed with in comparison with most other countries: Crime, pollution, access to good healthcare, jobs, sewers, sufficient quality food, vacation time, decent affordable education, noise pollution and others probably I did not list. Notice how some of the measurements pertain also to some rich countries specifically the US with its litany of social problems. So all in all quite the contrast with most other countries in terms of wealth and population mainly but also social indicators. Oh and Outcast your right wing rhetoric is flagrantly misanthropic here. Part of what makes these Scandinavian countries so appealing is the sense of community and people together all doing what is right for the common good. Heck even the govt. seems inclined to be nice and generous to their citizens. So all you Socialism haters what have you to say now.
jedrider wrote:Is not Europe importing all these migrants a result of their need for inexpensive labor? This is something that has been going on a long time and will certainly not go away after peak oil.
Canada is much better positioned than Sweden and other European nations to integrate refugees and immigrants. The minimum wage is fairly low and employers are not obligated to provide benefits. Therefore there are more employment opportunities for people with poor language skills, education and work skills.
The Canadian government seems quite intent on continuing to increase the number of refugees, asylum seekers and immigrants admitted into the country. If weak economic growth in the future means we are not able to provide good employment opportunities for all of these people we will start to run into the same social problems that other countries are experiencing.
rockdoc123 wrote:the big issue is the Trudeau gov't has already made a significant tax grab at individuals above a certain level of income and apparently are now planning to go after capital gains and dividends which are the heartblood of small companies trying to get the necessary capital to grow. That money is now being used to not only support the influx of immigrants that by no way match the qualifications that were previously required (and hence will no doubt suck up social payments in ever increasing amounts) but also as "gifts" overseas for initiatives such as paying for abortions in countries that haven't managed birth control historically. What is really depressing is that those in the country who worked hard for many years, saved and invested their money to fund their own retirement are now likely to be screwed as the gov't takes more and more away from their net income. The government of course doesn't care since they have indexed pensions and indeed the more immigrants they let in the more potential tax income they get (which likely is their misconception as a large proportion of these people will end up being unemployed). This is especially upsetting to many here in Alberta where unemployment is at an all time high. People who have worked for years in AB and paid taxes are now unemployed with few prospects and will now have to compete with immigrants for the few unskilled jobs that might come available.
The attempt to develop the resource quickly resulted in a large influx of people from elsewhere in Canada along with immigrants and temporary foreign workers. I would assume that most of those people are still living in Alberta following the massive layoffs in the oil industry and yes that would certainly make it more challenging for native Albertan's to find work.
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