ennui2 wrote:The economy in the US isn't poor
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
ROCKMAN wrote:
Consider the one seemingly tiny thing the two parties could have gotten behind after the 1970's price spike: consider raising fed motor fuel taxes just 1%/yr. And not 1% in absolute terms but just 1% of the existing fed tax. So after 35 years the fed tax would be around $0.25/gallon instead of $0.184/gallon. Still ridiculously small and would have little impact on consumption IMHO. And yet they couldn't even do that. And now listen so some of those grandiose idea about the govt doing this or that which would have a significant impact on our energy dynamics. No damn way any of those ideas would be implemented voluntarily.
Plantagenet wrote:ROCKMAN wrote:
Consider the one seemingly tiny thing the two parties could have gotten behind after the 1970's price spike: consider raising fed motor fuel taxes just 1%/yr. And not 1% in absolute terms but just 1% of the existing fed tax. So after 35 years the fed tax would be around $0.25/gallon instead of $0.184/gallon. Still ridiculously small and would have little impact on consumption IMHO. And yet they couldn't even do that. And now listen so some of those grandiose idea about the govt doing this or that which would have a significant impact on our energy dynamics. No damn way any of those ideas would be implemented voluntarily.
It would be even easier to raise the gas tax now that gas prices are low---people wouldn't even notice. But that would require some leadership on this issue from the President, which isn't going to happen.
Things like raising taxes don't happen spontaneously. Getting a law like passed in a time of divided government (which we almost always have in the US) requires back-room discussions and bi-partisan planning and negotiations and leadership to make it happen. Which we don't have high now.
By his own logic, he just imposed a 25 cent gas tax.
The current federal gas tax is 18.4 cents per gallon. So, if Obama’s logic holds, he just increased the federal gas tax to 43.4 cents per gallon, a 136 percent increase.
But that’s only the federal gas tax, when state gas taxes are included with Obama’s oil tax, Americans are saddled with a 70 cent tax on every gallon of gas. When state and federal gas taxes are taken together, Obama’s oil tax would be a 56 percent increase.
“Businesses see rising prices at the pump hurt their bottom line,” Obama warned in 2011. “Families feel the pinch when they fill up their tank. And for Americans that are already struggling to get by, a hike in gas prices really makes their lives that much harder. It hurts.”
Obama wants to tax oil production to pay for green transportation programs, which he is spinning as a second stimulus program. The White House says its plan would increase spending on green transportation by $20 billion, and it would spend $2 billion on green vehicle and aircraft research and $400 million to make sure this green fleet is safely integrated into America’s transportation system.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/05/obama ... z47EQhIQP4
Lore wrote:
“Businesses see rising prices at the pump hurt their bottom line,” Obama warned in 2011. “Families feel the pinch when they fill up their tank. And for Americans that are already struggling to get by, a hike in gas prices really makes their lives that much harder. It hurts.”
Plantagenet wrote:Lore wrote:
“Businesses see rising prices at the pump hurt their bottom line,” Obama warned in 2011. “Families feel the pinch when they fill up their tank. And for Americans that are already struggling to get by, a hike in gas prices really makes their lives that much harder. It hurts.”
Exactly. That supports my point.
There is no leadership from the President on the gas tax issue, so it ain't gonna happen.
Newfie wrote:He's a looser.
Lore wrote: the right-wing article cherry picks the quote
Lore wrote:the President has proposed an increase in the gas tax…..
Plantagenet wrote:ROCKMAN wrote:
Consider the one seemingly tiny thing the two parties could have gotten behind after the 1970's price spike: consider raising fed motor fuel taxes just 1%/yr. And not 1% in absolute terms but just 1% of the existing fed tax. So after 35 years the fed tax would be around $0.25/gallon instead of $0.184/gallon. Still ridiculously small and would have little impact on consumption IMHO. And yet they couldn't even do that. And now listen so some of those grandiose idea about the govt doing this or that which would have a significant impact on our energy dynamics. No damn way any of those ideas would be implemented voluntarily.
It would be even easier to raise the gas tax now that gas prices are low---people wouldn't even notice. But that would require some leadership on this issue from the President, which isn't going to happen.
Things like raising taxes don't happen spontaneously. Getting a law like passed in a time of divided government (which we almost always have in the US) requires back-room discussions and bi-partisan planning and negotiations and leadership to make it happen. Which we don't have high now.
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Plantagenet wrote:ennui2 wrote:The economy in the US isn't poor
OK, I know thats your opinion.
On the other hand, the NYTImes says its poor, and Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, and Donald J. Trump are all running on a promise to fix the broken US economy. Polling shows that most voters also feel the US is on the wrong track and the economy needs to be fixed.
Cheers!
You just have a Congress that would never go for that, or the right in general.
the economy was going to slip back into some level of growth mode regardless of what he did or didn't do.
ennui2 wrote: if we're going to judge Obama's presidency on the basis of whether the economy is better with him leaving office than when he started, then people should be thanking him and not whining that things could be better.
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