davep wrote:Cog wrote:where is your peer reviewed paper that shows that round up is harmful to humans? National Geographic article does not count as a peer-reviewed paper, by the way.I can post much more recent studies on roundup if you are too lazy to do the research yourself. just let me know.
You cited a paper that was sixteen years old.
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suggesting my original link to the effects on gut flora isn't peer reviewed? If so, why? Your clown dancing routine is getting dull.
OK, I'm going to say this once, because this state of the art microbiology, well state of the art for 1940 anyway.
If you grow bacteria in vitro, you see all sorts of things. Specifically, you get to see which bacteria can grow on little more than a carbon source on "minimal media"
(wikipedia)
Minimal media are those that contain the minimum nutrients possible for colony growth, generally without the presence of amino acids, and are often used by microbiologists and geneticists to grow "wild type" microorganisms. Minimal media can also be used to select for or against recombinants or exconjugants.
Minimal medium typically contains:
a carbon source for bacterial growth, which may be a sugar such as glucose, or a less energy-rich source like succinate
various salts, which may vary among bacteria species and growing conditions; these generally provide essential elements such as magnesium, nitrogen, phosphorus, and sulfur to allow the bacteria to synthesize protein and nucleic acid
water
Supplementary minimal media are a type of minimal media that also contains a single selected agent, usually an amino acid or a sugar. This supplementation allows for the culturing of specific lines of auxotrophic recombinants.
If you grow bacteria on minimal media (in vitro) and add roundup, which makes them fail to grow because it interferes with the shikimate pathway this
HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW BACTERIA WOULD GROW ON RICH MEDIA OR IN VIVO because they get the amino acids they need from their environment. That's simply the whole basis of microbial genetics.
Fine, if someone just stepped out of a time machine from the 1930s, we would not expect them to know that. But for someone today who claims to care so very very much about these "issues" that they berate people using their supposed expertise, it's just pedantic anti-intellectual hooliganism.
And of course the same people that reject basic plant science have no trouble rejecting basic microbiology and no problem reject vaccinations. Follow the issue and you'll see how many of these people pass through homeless shelters, and no wonder! Jesus, everyone is in denial about something, but trying to knock down reality itself like so many bowling pins doesn't end very well. If I ever went that route, I'd at least hope to end up in a mental happy place rather than a pit of psychopathic anger.