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Fracking hell it costs more than it makes.

Unread postby Shaved Monkey » Fri 31 Oct 2014, 08:37:03

So in Australia we frack away to get lots of gas to export to mainly Asia.
The gas companies and the profits are foreign owned.
We go from relatively cheap local gas to having to compete with the world for gas.
They are talking a 300% increase in prices as soon as the export plant opens in the next few months.
Gas employs virtually no one and expensive gas prices will decimate manufacturing which employs way more people and most of the profits stay in Australia too.
Gas price rises resulting from CSG exports would wipe a staggering $118 billion dollars off our manufacturing output by 2021, while providing an $81 billion dollar bonanza for the gas industry.

http://www.businessspectator.com.au/art ... n-benefits
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Re: Fracking hell it costs more than it makes.

Unread postby Pops » Fri 31 Oct 2014, 09:46:47

The party line here is that if we export it the price will go up and that will cause supply to increase and then everything will be great ...

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Re: Fracking hell it costs more than it makes.

Unread postby Smurfs1976 » Sun 02 Nov 2014, 04:43:36

There's also the impact on the electricity industry.

Stanwell has announced that Swanbank E power station, a 385MW combined cycle (CCGT) gas-fired plant located in Queensland, is to be mothballed soon.

Stanwell has a number of other plants, primarily coal-fired, which will increase output to offset the mothballing of Swanbank E.

Stanwell's other significant gas-fired plant, Mica Creek, will continue to operate business as usual noting that this plant is not connected to the main grid, the 302MW plant (with 12 small generating units) being literally the sole source of supply to the Mt Isa region (including the mines) and not part of the main Australian grid.

Meanwhile Hydro Tasmania, which also operates a 208MW gas-fired CCGT plant, has already ceased baseload operation of this facility during the cooler 6 months of the year when the combination of gas and electricity pricing makes it uneconomic. They have stated publicly that they are uncertain to what extent the plant will operate after about 2017, the inference being that there's at least some chance of a mothballing or use as backup plant only.

That is the only baseload fossil fuel plant operated by Hydro, although they do have 4 small open cycle gas turbines used occasionally as backup plant. The rest of their operations are primarily hydro and also two large wind farms, the former gas-fired steam plant having been decommissioned (permanently) a few years ago.

To the extent that Hydro cuts total production via reduced (or no) operation of the CCGT plant, they will simply be handing market share to someone else. Hydro's other plants, that is the hydro and wind operations, are fully utilised with no ability to increase output without major investment.

So that's two electricity companies, Stanwell and Hydro Tasmania, basically getting out of baseload generation for the main grid using gas.
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Re: Fracking hell it costs more than it makes.

Unread postby dissident » Sun 02 Nov 2014, 10:15:27

The lunatics running the asylum need to be voted out of office ASAP. But unfortunately the average sheep can be bought with a $50 tax cut.
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Re: Fracking hell it costs more than it makes.

Unread postby Smurfs1976 » Fri 07 Nov 2014, 07:07:49

Heard today that there's a plan to connect the NT with the Qld / NSW / ACT / Vic / Tas / SA gas system.

In short, due to so much LNG being exported from Qld, there's an artificial "shortage" of gas in NSW. Not to worry, we'll just bring it in from the NT....
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Re: Fracking hell it costs more than it makes.

Unread postby Shaved Monkey » Fri 07 Nov 2014, 08:05:49

Just means Territorians will pay more for their gas when it gets connected to the export market.
Next step will be connecting PNG to Gladstone to export theirs too
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