pstarr wrote:Thanks to Oilfinder and his linked studies it has become clear that dispersed sediment/permafrost hydrates in sand substrates have never been exploited, that no technologies exist to do so, and that commercial production (however unlikely) is years away.
Pstarr wrote: Given the fact that peak oil production is current or imminent it is highly unlikely that hydrates could be a useful mitigation.
Pstarr wrote:So as an interested observer I am not convinced to change my personal or business plans and will continue to prepare for a different social paradigm I already see unfolding before me.
I would suggest you do the same
OilFinder2 wrote:Ah yes, the classic "it isn't available RIGHT NOW so we are doomed" argument.
As if we need this particular source of methane RIGHT NOW.
pstarr wrote:Oily, it should be clear to all objective, even minimally knowledgeable, viewers what you attempt to do. CLOUD THE ISSUE. This graph has nothing to do with U.S. Gulf gas hydrates.
pstarr wrote:Thanks to Oilfinder and his linked studies it has become clear that dispersed sediment/permafrost hydrates in sand substrates have never been exploited, that no technologies exist to do so, and that commercial production (however unlikely) is years away. Given the fact that peak oil production is current or imminent it is highly unlikely that hydrates could be a useful mitigation . . .
pstarr wrote:Oily, it should be clear to all objective, even minimally knowledgeable, viewers what you attempt to do. CLOUD THE ISSUE. This graph has nothing to do with U.S. Gulf gas hydrates.
pstarr wrote:
The chart is for all conventional gas production, with a recent surge resulting from a very expensive, environmentally questionable production of special tightly-bound shale gas.
pstarr wrote:That you would intentionally confuse hydrates (a crystalline structure embedded in sand that has yet to be exploited) with free-flowing natural gas in well-defined pressurized fields is a cheap and confusing gimmick.
OilFinder2 wrote:God man, you are truly, utterly clueless.
pstarr wrote:I have no idea what your rants are about. But you guys sure can sputter and stutter. Is that methane emanating from the orifice?
For the Japanese, drilling down through Arctic permafrost to get at "fiery ice" was much less daunting than boring into the deep sea.
They came up with $48 million -- with $3 million from Canada -- for an epic experiment in the Northwest Territories that has generated tantalizing evidence, to be detailed in Tokyo this week, that frozen gas hydrates may live up to their billing as a plentiful new energy source.
The Canadian and Japanese team will describe how they got the hydrates to release gas, like bubbles out of champagne. In a world first, the team got a production well to generate a steady flow of gas for six days, fuelling a flame in the Arctic darkness.
"The message is quite clear, you can produce gas hydrates using conventional techniques," says Scott Dallimore, a senior scientist at Natural Resources Canada, who co-led the project in the Mackenzie Delta. Over two winters the researchers drilled down more than a kilometre into a 150-metre-thick layer on the edge of the Beaufort Sea at Mallik -- the most concentrated known deposit of the frozen fuel in the world.
the48thronin wrote:48 million to produce 6 days of flame...HMMMM!
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Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
May 2 (Reuters) - The U.S. Energy Department on Wednesday announced a breakthrough in research into tapping a possibly vast fuel resource that could eventually bolster already massive U.S. natural gas reserves.
By injecting a mixture of carbon dioxide and nitrogen into a methane hydrate formation on Alaska's North Slope, the department was able to produce a steady flow of natural gas in the first field test of this method. The test was done from mid-February to about mid-April this year
Gerald Holder, dean of the engineering program at University of Pittsburgh and who has worked with the DOE's National Energy Technology Laboratory on the hydrate issue, said before this announcement he had been skeptical about what researchers would be able to accomplish.
He said the main problem until now was finding a way to extract natural gas from solid hydrates without adding a whole lot of steps that made the process too expensive, so the success of this new test is significant.
"It makes the possibility of recovering methane from hydrates much more likely," Holder said. "It's a long way off, but this could have huge impact on availability of natural gas."
Shell trims cellulosic ethanol venture
Royal Dutch Shell PLC is withdrawing from plans to build a cellulosic ethanol plant in Canada through Iogen Energy, which it jointly owns with Iogen Corp. of Ottawa.
It said a “refocusing” of Iogen Energy’s strategy will result in a diminished development program and 150 layoffs.
“Shell continues to explore multiple pathways to find a commercial solution for the production of advanced biofuels on an industrial scale, but the company will not pursue the project it has had under development to build a larger scale cellulosic ethanol facility in southern Manitoba,” the oil company said.
Iogen Corp. plans to expand its services with “new technology for the production of advanced and cellulosic biofuels,” Shell said.
At one of its service stations in Ottawa, Shell briefly sold gasoline containing cellulosic ethanol made from wheat straw at an Iogen Energy demonstration plant in the same city (OGJ Online, June 10, 2009).
http://www.ogj.com/articles/2012/05/she ... nture.html
dbruning wrote:While I bet the methane deposits hold a ton of energy, wouldn't mining this stuff and burning it have wicked environmental problems?
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