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Is the True Goal Corporate Anarchism?

Unread postby bluekachina » Tue 26 Jul 2011, 08:23:01

Is there a way that some group could profit or otherwise benefit from tanking the global economy?

At first it looked like the Ponzi derivitive thing was just greed gone wild without regulation. But just a criminal thing.

Now we are seeing actions being taken around the world that appear to be the opposite of what you would do to save the global economy.

Is there some nuclear option being put into play in an economic war between global powers. Perhaps not even national powers, but corporate?

Take the US for instance. Those in power appear to WANT to default. They've stirred up their brown shirts with this propaganda for years, orchestrated by the Koch Brothers and other conservative elements and their propaganda on wheels tours.

Now they appear poised to blame it on the pudding heads they stirred up, even though it was all totally orchestrated.

Could their plan have been not to take power in the national government, but rather destroy the national governments worldwide. With the elimination of nation states, they would be free to operate as they see fit, where they see fit.

This is not just taking place in the US, but worldwide, powerful people appear to be all working towards this goal.

The end of nation states, much like the end of monarchies in the 19th century.

What would you call a system where you are not interested in governing people or taking care of them, but just kicking them out of your way when the need arises, with no one to stop you?

That's not even feudalism. The image I get is of giant robots doing battle over a devastated wasteland, not caring about or even noticing the puny humans they step on.

Corporate Anarchism?
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Re: Is the True Goal Corporate Anarchism?

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 26 Jul 2011, 08:39:39

Is there a way that some group could profit or otherwise benefit from tanking the global economy?


Of course, the wealthy can buy everything up for pennies on the dollar.
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Re: Is the True Goal Corporate Anarchism?

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Tue 26 Jul 2011, 09:02:20

Anarchism is a political philosophy which considers the state undesirable, unnecessary, and harmful, and instead promotes a stateless society, or anarchy.


If that does not sound like the extreme right-wing of the Republican Party, I don't know what does.

Substitute the word government for state in the above sentence and it was John Boener's speech last night.

I wasn't even aware there could be such a thing as right-wing anarchists. It's an oxymoron. Authoritarian-Anarchist.
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Re: Is the True Goal Corporate Anarchism?

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 26 Jul 2011, 09:09:19

Substitute the word government for state in the above sentence and it was John Boener's speech last night.


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Re: Is the True Goal Corporate Anarchism?

Unread postby Mesuge » Tue 26 Jul 2011, 09:39:17

The signs have been placated all over, and discussed in many threads on this forum, we are most probably at least in the mid-term running into some sort of rehashed or openly neo-feudal order in many parts of the world. Usually, the urban societies of today are greatly atomized, dependent on .gov provided "artificial" employment for generations, brainwashed by msm on many topics and levels. So, they won't be able to put any meanigfull resistance to the oligarchs and their goons. Mind you, I don't see it as some A-Z plan, rather like natural development (post PO/net energy slide) plus some degree of cooperation and planning in the upper echelons on favourable reset timing. The gates to upper social mobility have been detonated and only some outliers like criminal gangs, skilled former army commanders could think about it in the future.

Yes, exceptions apply, smaller nation/local states on the global outskirts might keep on preserving some individual liberties and commune/societal network.
They will however had to stay vigilant on the defense. Think Russia vs. Finland for lack of better quick examples.

For some clues, how the dynamics work in general, read up on the ~200-400AD Roman Empire in terms of finance, government structure changes, domestic/foreign policy etc. I do subscribe to the school, which argues that the relatively fast and sharp net energy decline, will compress these changes into say only 40-80yrs window. So, it will be rather abrupt change.
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Re: Is the True Goal Corporate Anarchism?

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Tue 26 Jul 2011, 09:47:46

William F. Buckley calls the Koch agenda :“Anarcho-totalitarianism.”
Charles and David also became devotees of a more radical thinker, Robert LeFevre, who favored the abolition of the state but didn't like the label "anarchist"; he called himself an "autarchist." LeFevre liked to say that "government is a disease masquerading as its own cure." In 1956, he opened an institution called the Freedom School, in Colorado Springs. Brian Doherty, of Reason, told me that "LeFevre was an anarchist figure who won Charles's heart," and that the school was "a tiny world of people who thought the New Deal was a horrible mistake." According to diZerega, Charles supported the school financially, and even gave Many of the ideas propounded in the 1980 campaign presaged the Tea Party movement. Ed Clark told The Nation that libertarians were getting ready to stage "a very big tea party," because people were "sick to death" of taxes. The Libertarian Party platform called for the abolition of the F.B.I. and the C.I.A., as well as of federal regulatory agencies, such as the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Department of Energy. The Party wanted to end Social Security, minimum-wage laws, gun control, and all personal and corporate income taxes; it proposed the legalization of prostitution, recreational drugs, and suicide. Government should be reduced to only one function: the protection of individual rights. William F. Buckley, Jr., a more traditional conservative, called the movement "Anarcho-Totalitarianism."

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Re: Is the True Goal Corporate Anarchism?

Unread postby dohboi » Tue 26 Jul 2011, 10:03:14

Just as corporate socialism isn't really socialism, anarcho-totalitarianism isn't anything most 'traditional' anarchists would recognize as anarchism, whose root idea is the distrust of any concentrations of power.
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Re: Is the True Goal Corporate Anarchism?

Unread postby AgentR11 » Tue 26 Jul 2011, 10:03:53

vision-master wrote:
Is there a way that some group could profit or otherwise benefit from tanking the global economy?


Of course, the wealthy can buy everything up for pennies on the dollar.


Buy Low. Sell High. Never, ever forget it.

I'm never going to forget all the talk shows at the time immediately after the financials splat, constantly talking with people about selling, selling, selling. Not a single one was out there screaming, OMG BLUE LIGHT SALE!! WOOOOOOOT. GET ME MY PENNY JAR!

And now, the market is valuation high, and the buzz is all about whats high, and people whining about yields being low but also talking about what to buy. No **** sherlock, its priced too dang high, of course yield will be low. buy low... SELL HIGH.

And for property, a registered sale trumps the assessor's opinion every time when push comes to shove, you buy low on property, your taxes will be fixed against that low value; and if someone buy's a neighbors property low, and push comes to shove, you can even lower your own valuation by comparison. Thing is... middle class Bob isn't usually all over the tax assessor on a daily basis... Wealthy Joe though... well, his lawyers will eat lunch in the assessors office till they get results.
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Re: Is the True Goal Corporate Anarchism?

Unread postby Pops » Tue 26 Jul 2011, 10:07:14

I think authoritarian/anti-authoritarian is separate from left/right, according to some quiz that says they are on 2 different axis, I'm a left/libertarian by that standard. Left wingers can be just as oppressive and authoritarian as right and at least according to that quiz most american politicians are authoritarian/conservatives.

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On the topic, I'm sure some hedgers would be more than happy to bet on the collapse of civilization and many probably are but I don't see most corps - the ones that makes things anyway -hoping for societal breakdown, not good for sales really.

OTOH, corps like Waste Management, Correction Corp of America, Blackwater, etc would be fine with reducing government down to just enough to collect tax and pay their invoice.

I think the corps have done a pretty good job of using the current system to advance their goals, they've hit on the winning combination by appealing to authoritarian ideals (at least in the US), conservative social issues and greed to induce the proles to turn their own head while the corps hold the knife to their jugular.
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Re: Is the True Goal Corporate Anarchism?

Unread postby dinopello » Tue 26 Jul 2011, 11:06:26

Pops wrote:OTOH, corps like Waste Management, Correction Corp of America, Blackwater, etc would be fine with reducing government down to just enough to collect tax and pay their invoice.


And, this in today's paper - Blackwater/Xe moving headquarters to DC to help with the lobbying efforts.
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Re: Is the True Goal Corporate Anarchism?

Unread postby Pops » Tue 26 Jul 2011, 11:25:25

Yeah, no one actually thinks we are leaving the mideast do they:
By January 2012, the State Department will do something it’s never done before: command a mercenary army the size of a heavy combat brigade. That’s the plan to provide security for its diplomats in Iraq once the U.S. military withdraws. And no one outside State knows anything more, as the department has gone to war with its independent government watchdog to keep its plan a secret.

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Re: Is the True Goal Corporate Anarchism?

Unread postby Loki » Tue 26 Jul 2011, 21:37:53

Bluekachina, my inclination is not to ascribe a clusterfuck to conspiracy when it can be explained by incompetence, or in the case of the current economic situation, unadulterated, unregulated greed. The trend when it comes to economic equality (in the US at least) has been clear since the 1970s: more and more wealth drifting upwards, the middle class stagnant (at best), the poor getting poorer. The current depression is just the latest symptom of the disease.

Is this a “conspiracy” of large corporations and ultrawealthy individuals? I guess if you think of a conspiracy as a bunch of guys in a smoke-filled room scheming about how to advance their agenda (globalist trade agreements, for example). But are these people intentionally trying to crash the global economy? I doubt it very, very much.

The “cabal” we're talking about are a motley group of selfish, really really rich boobs who are simply trying to get richer (or in the case of politicians, more powerful). That their actions have led to mass suffering, and could potentially crash the economy, is really of no concern of theirs as long as they personally get richer/more powerful. You don't get to that level of wealth and power without being thoroughly egocentric, and at least a little sociopathic.

When it comes to the current “debt ceiling” nonsense, the GOP is simply playing a short-term game of party politics focused entirely on the 2012 elections. They aren't considering the consequences of their irresponsible game for real people who actually work for a living. It's sociopathic, no doubt, but I don't think it's a grand conspiracy to crash the global economy.
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