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Re: Peak Oil > Covid 19 > Great Reset

Unread postby AdamB » Sun 15 Nov 2020, 23:24:48

warpig13 wrote:
OutcastPhilosopher wrote:Call them Satanists/Luciferians/etc. Rest assured these are some very sick people who have ruined the entire world with an insane ponzi scheme.


I dread to think what's coming... it's going to be a system of oppression with oligarchs at the top of the pyramid. It's just another Feudal system... where we're at the bottom.


The Illuminati are like, the oligarchs?
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Re: Peak Oil > Covid 19 > Great Reset

Unread postby Armageddon » Sun 15 Nov 2020, 23:32:40

Amazing how he nailed it back in 1967

Myron C Fagan: The Illuminati and the CFR [1967]


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a_a0Dx1_vfw
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Re: Peak Oil > Covid 19 > Great Reset

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Mon 16 Nov 2020, 05:15:59

warpig13 wrote:Hello,

It seems fairly obvious to me that Covid 19 is a smokescreen to preserve the remaining oil supplies and replace the existing financial system/social structure, to prevent western society from collapsing. What is being paraded as the "Great Reset" by the World Economic Forum (WEF) is just a socialist utopia for preserving remaining resources in the absence of oil and controlling the population to avoid a Mad Max meltdown.

Is this view generally accepted here?

I have seen how socialism works as a kid or rather how it doesn't work.
So yes, they will try and fail.
Mad Max like dystopia is our ultimate future for a period of time when population shrinks. Later some stabilization is going to come.
Experimenting with socialism to preserve current BIG society will fail.
There won't be means to keep people employed, to pay UBI or high minimal wages etc.
System will be undermined on grass root level.
Even North Korea relented to some extend and now allows small scale (family size) private operations as long as government is left unchallenged.

It is good idea to preserve resources but at the same time you need to make all efforts to make system small and working on local level.
Attempts to preserve BIG interconnected global or national system is a reason why current ideas are likely to fail. There wont be resources to run it for long and resources which are still there will be wasted to attempt it.
Disenfranchised and otherwise wronged people will either not care about system or actively sabotage it.
At the same time government resources to keep security/police apparatus are going to shrink, so thugs and psychopaths working there will betray their overlords from existing elites.

As fragmentation progress you will observe smaller governing structures taking up responsibilities and replacing national governments, warlordism, lawlessness in more impoverished areas etc.

So after current authoritarian buildup we are likely to see accelerated collapse within next 5-15 years.

Live debt free or you may lose everything upon default in environment of socialist assaults on ownership.
They may cancel your debts but will make you a slave if you cannot pay.

But I can understand elites to a degree - people have taken so much debt which cannot be served that they proven to be unfit to own anything.
Problem is that most of elites are no different and they try to preserve influence by dishonest means.
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Re: Peak Oil > Covid 19 > Great Reset

Unread postby warpig13 » Mon 16 Nov 2020, 07:10:17

AdamB wrote:
warpig13 wrote:Has everyone read the Bundeswehr and US military reports of Peak Oil from 2010?


Sure. Turns out, you don't ask the military about resource economics.


When they say it will be the collapse of western civilisation and when they believe it will happen... I take them on their word.
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Re: Peak Oil > Covid 19 > Great Reset

Unread postby warpig13 » Mon 16 Nov 2020, 07:16:21

AdamB wrote:
warpig13 wrote:I put my theory in my first post. Covid is a means to implement social programs and control people with the aim of preserving the remaining oil reserves and western life as best they can. The severity of the virus has been grotesquely exaggerated to fit a political narrative.


Even if that is true, with the volume of oil reserves AND resources in the world, there is plenty left. Peak oil demand is the current prevailing theory as to the cause of peak oil, not scarcity. The reason why? Because there is far more left than any peak oil would ever admit, even after having screwed the pooch with each of the other 4 peak oil claims of this century. #5 will stand..until it doesn't. Or, until the peak oil demand folks are proven right instead.

warpig13 wrote:The financial system is only one aspect... Civil liberties, wealth protection and a million other things are up for discussion. "THIS" refers to the theory in my first post. My theory is a framework... all I'm looking for is more information to form a more complete picture. I want to know what this transition/system looks like.


I see. One word of advice, there are no facts in the future. As any disappointed peak oil doomer can tell you. So the more specific you are, the less likely you are able to pretend you were right, somewhere off in the future when someone reads your theory, matches it to what actually happens, and then does to you what I do to peak oilers.

warpig13 wrote:I want to know how they're going to get away with it... and I'm particularly interested in time frames.


Well, good luck with that then. Don't you think it would be more productive to just go out and get ready for whatever apocalypse arrives, a little farm, homemade claymores and booby traps, plenty of guns and ammo, etc etc?


I'm not asking you to validate what I'm saying - I know I'm right. I'm here for additional information from people who think the same and if you don't... why are you even here?
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Re: Peak Oil > Covid 19 > Great Reset

Unread postby warpig13 » Mon 16 Nov 2020, 07:18:38

Armageddon wrote:Amazing how he nailed it back in 1967

Myron C Fagan: The Illuminati and the CFR [1967]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a_a0Dx1_vfw


That's a long video... :) I'll listen to it later, thanks. It's amazing... some people have such vision.
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Re: Peak Oil > Covid 19 > Great Reset

Unread postby warpig13 » Mon 16 Nov 2020, 07:23:58

EnergyUnlimited wrote:
warpig13 wrote:Hello,

It seems fairly obvious to me that Covid 19 is a smokescreen to preserve the remaining oil supplies and replace the existing financial system/social structure, to prevent western society from collapsing. What is being paraded as the "Great Reset" by the World Economic Forum (WEF) is just a socialist utopia for preserving remaining resources in the absence of oil and controlling the population to avoid a Mad Max meltdown.

Is this view generally accepted here?

I have seen how socialism works as a kid or rather how it doesn't work.
So yes, they will try and fail.
Mad Max like dystopia is our ultimate future for a period of time when population shrinks. Later some stabilization is going to come.
Experimenting with socialism to preserve current BIG society will fail.
There won't be means to keep people employed, to pay UBI or high minimal wages etc.
System will be undermined on grass root level.
Even North Korea relented to some extend and now allows small scale (family size) private operations as long as government is left unchallenged.

It is good idea to preserve resources but at the same time you need to make all efforts to make system small and working on local level.
Attempts to preserve BIG interconnected global or national system is a reason why current ideas are likely to fail. There wont be resources to run it for long and resources which are still there will be wasted to attempt it.
Disenfranchised and otherwise wronged people will either not care about system or actively sabotage it.
At the same time government resources to keep security/police apparatus are going to shrink, so thugs and psychopaths working there will betray their overlords from existing elites.

As fragmentation progress you will observe smaller governing structures taking up responsibilities and replacing national governments, warlordism, lawlessness in more impoverished areas etc.

So after current authoritarian buildup we are likely to see accelerated collapse within next 5-15 years.

Live debt free or you may lose everything upon default in environment of socialist assaults on ownership.
They may cancel your debts but will make you a slave if you cannot pay.

But I can understand elites to a degree - people have taken so much debt which cannot be served that they proven to be unfit to own anything.
Problem is that most of elites are no different and they try to preserve influence by dishonest means.


I agree with your post. Martin Armstrong has said this is the last roll of the dice for socialism... Instead of admitting that big government is part of the problem, they're doubling-down. It was always said if the government were put in charge of the government, there would be a sand shortage in 4 years. How apt... He believes power will shift east to China by 2032... I'd be surprised if it took that long.

They talk about the 4th industrial revolution... but there won't be the oil to build or power their 5G IoT devices... The energy issue will likely be resolved in 20-30 years, but you always need oil and there's nothing as energy-dense as crude. We're going back to the 1900's... and I'm OK with that, what I'm not OK with - is the very rich living a life of comfort when the 99% are living near poverty.
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Re: Peak Oil > Covid 19 > Great Reset

Unread postby Newfie » Mon 16 Nov 2020, 07:51:30

warpig13 wrote:
AdamB wrote:
warpig13 wrote:Has everyone read the Bundeswehr and US military reports of Peak Oil from 2010?


Sure. Turns out, you don't ask the military about resource economics.


When they say it will be the collapse of western civilisation and when they believe it will happen... I take them on their word.


We have a collection of these these type reports bookmarked here in PO.
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Re: Peak Oil > Covid 19 > Great Reset

Unread postby Newfie » Mon 16 Nov 2020, 08:01:24

Warpig wrote

I'm here for additional information from people who think the same .....


We have been hashing this over for a long time. Most everything has been discussed a few times.

It may help to ask more specific questions.

But then there is this. The collapse is likely to he chaotic, sporadic, not predictable. What works in one instance at one time may not work later. IMHO you need 2 things in abundance: flexibility and luck.

Not a very satisfying answer, I know.

I see value in continuing to discuss the situation as it evolves, to try to sort out the short term strategies. But even something as simple as Covid has been full of surprises. Interesting and challenging times ahead.

As I age my questions change from “How do I support myself?” To “How do I support my kids?” If you have no kids or kin then that changes the questions.
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Re: Peak Oil > Covid 19 > Great Reset

Unread postby warpig13 » Mon 16 Nov 2020, 08:43:21

Newfie wrote:
warpig13 wrote:
AdamB wrote:
warpig13 wrote:Has everyone read the Bundeswehr and US military reports of Peak Oil from 2010?


Sure. Turns out, you don't ask the military about resource economics.


When they say it will be the collapse of western civilisation and when they believe it will happen... I take them on their word.


We have a collection of these these type reports bookmarked here in PO.


Thanks - where will I find them? I'd like to read them again.

Is this in your archive as well?

https://sustainable.unimelb.edu.au/__da ... r_2014.pdf
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Re: Peak Oil > Covid 19 > Great Reset

Unread postby warpig13 » Mon 16 Nov 2020, 08:51:01

Newfie wrote:Warpig wrote

I'm here for additional information from people who think the same .....


We have been hashing this over for a long time. Most everything has been discussed a few times.

It may help to ask more specific questions.

But then there is this. The collapse is likely to he chaotic, sporadic, not predictable. What works in one instance at one time may not work later. IMHO you need 2 things in abundance: flexibility and luck.

Not a very satisfying answer, I know.

I see value in continuing to discuss the situation as it evolves, to try to sort out the short term strategies. But even something as simple as Covid has been full of surprises. Interesting and challenging times ahead.

As I age my questions change from “How do I support myself?” To “How do I support my kids?” If you have no kids or kin then that changes the questions.


I've already talked to my son... having kids poses so many questions... Is it worth going to university being a key one at the moment... Maybe on the otherside of this university will be free again... but how the hell do they get there when there's no oil for petrol and power shortages!!!! it's impossible to know what to suggest to him...

For me personally, it's how do we change course... how do we avoid an assault on our civil liberties... how do we avoid unbridled socialism in the name of allocating the remaining resources... Even if you look at solar as a partial alternative... silver has long been anticipated as being one of the first elements to become extinct... There is no future that looks anything like our present.
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Re: Peak Oil > Covid 19 > Great Reset

Unread postby warpig13 » Mon 16 Nov 2020, 08:53:14

The Great Reset are even saying we need a new social contract... that means we're going to lose EVERYTHING and we're not going to like it.
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Re: Peak Oil > Covid 19 > Great Reset

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Mon 16 Nov 2020, 09:43:16

warpig13 wrote:The Great Reset are even saying we need a new social contract... that means we're going to lose EVERYTHING and we're not going to like it.

Likely developments:
- debtors will usually lose right to own anything and in many cases freedom.
- elderly, disabled etc will lose social security and medicaid. They will be thrown to wolves.
- there will be massive promotion of abortion and euthanasia. Motion that after age of 75 the only free medical treatment is euthanasia will gain traction.
- restrictions on all in regard what they can purchase and how much, that regardless of wealth, naturally with the exception of 0.01%-ers.
- restrictions on freedom of travel on all
- antifamily legislation in initial phases and pro family legislation later, only to keep social peace as long as possible.
- everyone will be equal but those who go well with socialists more equal - in initial phases, then opposite will come true, eg remnants of failed system will get treatment of less equal.
- mortal struggle between 0.01%-ers - you will be invited to choose your overlord and his success or failure will be also *your* success or failure.
- full of rights women will again become a commodity - that in later stages of collapse.
- society will sacrifice weak men asking them to work very hard and expect nothing in return. This will be perhaps most abused lot of people.
- finally neofeudal system will crystallize - make sure you supported an overlord who wins in your area.
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Re: Peak Oil > Covid 19 > Great Reset

Unread postby OutcastPhilosopher » Mon 16 Nov 2020, 10:29:30

From Deagle:

In 2014 we published a disclaimer about the forecast. In six years the scenario has changed dramatically. This new disclaimer is meant to single out the situation from 2020 onwards. Talking about the United States and the European Union as separated entities no longer makes sense. Both are the Western block, keep printing money and will share the same fate.

After COVID we can draw two major conclusions:

The Western world success model has been built over societies with no resilience that can barely withstand any hardship, even a low intensity one. It was assumed but we got the full confirmation beyond any doubt.
The COVID crisis will be used to extend the life of this dying economic system through the so called Great Reset.

The Great Reset; like the climate change, extinction rebellion, planetary crisis, green revolution, shale oil (…) hoaxes promoted by the system; is another attempt to slow down dramatically the consumption of natural resources and therefore extend the lifetime of the current system. It can be effective for awhile but finally won’t address the bottom-line problem and will only delay the inevitable. The core ruling elites hope to stay in power which is in effect the only thing that really worries them.

The collapse of the Western financial system - and ultimately the Western civilization - has been the major driver in the forecast along with a confluence of crisis with a devastating outcome. As COVID has proven Western societies embracing multiculturalism and extreme liberalism are unable to deal with any real hardship. The Spanish flu one century ago represented the death of 40-50 million people. Today the world’s population is four times greater with air travel in full swing which is by definition a super spreader. The death casualties in today’s World would represent 160 to 200 million in relative terms but more likely 300-400 million taking into consideration the air travel factor that did not exist one century ago. So far, COVID death toll is roughly 1 million people. It is quite likely that the economic crisis due to the lockdowns will cause more deaths than the virus worldwide.

The Soviet system was less able to deliver goodies to the people than the Western one. Nevertheless Soviet society was more compact and resilient under an authoritarian regime. That in mind, the collapse of the Soviet system wiped out 10 percent of the population. The stark reality of diverse and multicultural Western societies is that a collapse will have a toll of 50 to 80 percent depending on several factors but in general terms the most diverse, multicultural, indebted and wealthy (highest standard of living) will suffer the highest toll. The only glue that keeps united such aberrant collage from falling apart is overconsumption with heavy doses of bottomless degeneracy disguised as virtue. Nevertheless the widespread censorship, hate laws and contradictory signals mean that even that glue is not working any more. Not everybody has to die migration can also play a positive role in this.

The formerly known as second and third world nations are an unknown at this point. Their fate will depend upon the decisions they take in the future. Western powers are not going to take over them as they did in the past because these countries won’t be able to control their own cities far less likely countries that are far away. If they remain tied to the former World Order they will go down along Western powers but won’t experience the brutal decline of the late because they are poorer and not diverse enough but rather quite homogenous used to deal with some sort of hardship but not precisely the one that is coming. If they switch to China they can get a chance to stabilize but will depend upon the management of their resources.

We expected this situation to unfold and actually is unfolding right now with the November election triggering a major bomb if Trump is re-elected. If Biden is elected there will very bad consequences as well. There is a lot of bad blood in the Western societies and the protests, demonstrations, rioting and looting are only the first symptoms of what is coming. However a new trend is taking place overshadowing this one.

The situation between the three great powers has changed dramatically. The only relevant achievement of the Western powers during the past decade has been the formation of a strategic alliance, both military and economic, between Russia and China. Right now the potential partnership between Russia and the European Union (EU) is dead with Russia turning definitively towards China. That was from the beginning the most likely outcome. Airbus never tried to establish a real partnership but rather a strategy to fade away the Russian aerospace industry. Actually Russia and China have formed a new alliance to build a long haul airliner. Western Europe (not to mention the United States) was never interested in the development of Russia or forming anything other than a master slave relationship with Russia providing raw materials and toeing the line of the West. It was clear then and today is a fact.

Russia has been preparing for a major war since 2008 and China has been increasing her military capabilities for the last 20 years. Today China is not a second tier power compared with the United States. Both in military and economic terms China is at the same level and in some specific areas are far ahead. In the domain of high-tech 5G has been a success in the commercial realm but the Type 055 destroyer is also another breakthrough with the US gaining a similar capability (DDG 51 Flight IIII) by mid of this decade (more likely by 2030). Nanchang, the lead ship of the Type 055 class, was commissioned amid the pandemic and lockdown in China.

Six years ago the likelihood of a major war was tiny. Since then it has grown steadily and dramatically and today is by far the most likely major event in the 2020s. The ultimate conflict can come from two ways. A conventional conflict involving at least two major powers that escalates into an open nuclear war. A second scenario is possible in the 2025-2030 timeframe. A Russian sneak first strike against the United States and its allies with the new S-500, strategic missile defenses, Yasen-M submarines, INF Zircon and Kalibr missiles and some new space asset playing the key role. The sneak first strike would involve all Russian missile strategic forces branches (bombers and ground-based missiles) at the different stages of such attack that would be strategic translation of what was seen in Syria in November 2015. There was no report that the Russian had such a capability of launching a high precision, multiple, combined arms attack at targets 2,000+ kilometers away. Western intelligence had no clue. The irony is that since the end of the Cold War the United States has been maneuvering through NATO to achieve a position to execute a first strike over Russia and now it seems that the first strike may occur but the country finished would be the United States.

Another particularity of the Western system is that its individuals have been brainwashed to the point that the majority accept their moral high ground and technological edge as a given. This has given the rise of the supremacy of the emotional arguments over the rational ones which are ignored or deprecated. That mindset can play a key role in the upcoming catastrophic events. At least in the Soviet system the silent majority of the people were aware of the fallacies they were fed up. We can see the United States claims about G5 being stolen from them by China or hypersonic technology being stolen by Russia as the evidence that the Western elites are also infected by that hubris. Over the next decade it will become obvious that the West is falling behind the Russia-China block and the malaise might grow into desperation. Going to war might seem a quick and easy solution to restore the lost hegemony to finally find them into a France 1940 moment. Back then France did not have nuclear weapons to turn a defeat into a victory. The West might try that swap because the unpleasant prospect of not being Mars and Venus but rather a bully and his dirty bitch running away in fear while the rest of the world is laughing at them.

If there is not a dramatic change of course the world is going to witness the first nuclear war. The Western block collapse may come before, during or after the war. It does not matter. A nuclear war is a game with billions of casualties and the collapse plays in the hundreds of millions.

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Re: Peak Oil > Covid 19 > Great Reset

Unread postby asg70 » Mon 16 Nov 2020, 10:50:44

And so the Alex Jones/maga contingent here grows.

BOLD PREDICTIONS
-Billions are on the verge of starvation as the lockdown continues. (yoshua, 5/20/20)

HALL OF SHAME:
-Short welched on a bet and should be shunned.
-Frequent-flyers should not cry crocodile-tears over climate-change.
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Re: Peak Oil > Covid 19 > Great Reset

Unread postby OutcastPhilosopher » Mon 16 Nov 2020, 11:01:12

asg70 wrote:And so the Alex Jones/maga contingent here grows.



Another delusional comment from the bleacher of boomers. Jones is disinfo and don't vote.

Almost all of these boomers work directly for the financial industry. I guess they don't like being told they are third rate ponzi scheme enablers.
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Re: Peak Oil > Covid 19 > Great Reset

Unread postby AdamB » Mon 16 Nov 2020, 11:28:58

warpig13 wrote:
AdamB wrote:
warpig13 wrote:Has everyone read the Bundeswehr and US military reports of Peak Oil from 2010?


Sure. Turns out, you don't ask the military about resource economics.


When they say it will be the collapse of western civilisation and when they believe it will happen... I take them on their word.


You certainly can. Unless of course they proclaimed it had happened already. Then it is fair to ask....how can you take them at their word, once it has been disproven by reality? It is the same conundrum that peak oilers have faced since at least the 1970's....how do you explain to new congregation members why the religion keeps getting it so wrong.

Answer that my dear warpig13, and you will demonstrate your ability to learn, and think.

Klaxon calls of the end of the world...that is just Happy McDoomer gibberish, imitating Harold Camping is never a good idea, but quite a popular pastime among those who can't accomplish what I mentioned in the prior sentence.
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Re: Peak Oil > Covid 19 > Great Reset

Unread postby AdamB » Mon 16 Nov 2020, 11:34:15

warpig13 wrote:I'm not asking you to validate what I'm saying - I know I'm right.


But of course you are! Zealotry isn't about demonstrating the understanding of a system, quantifying the uncertainty within it and coming up with a proper stochastic answer, it is about belief!! One of the reasons that a religion is what some peak oilers have created with their ideas. It has its own religious symbols (bell shaped curves), mantras and dogma that must be followed (less oil = end of world) and then various sects that spin out what end of the world means as they play the Peak Oil Fantasy League Doom game.

Go back through the archives, check out everyone else who was "right", compare that to reality and then ask yourself the next question....how many were?

warpig13 wrote: I'm here for additional information from people who think the same and if you don't... why are you even here?


Because someone has to represent the folks who aren't followers of the likes of Harold Camping. Why are you here? This is a peak oil themed sight, and if peak oilers have learned anything since this site came online, and the multiple peak oils since, is that the world isn't ending for lack of oil, no matter how much you pray for it to be so.
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Re: Peak Oil > Covid 19 > Great Reset

Unread postby AdamB » Mon 16 Nov 2020, 11:41:39

warpig13 wrote:Is this in your archive as well?

https://sustainable.unimelb.edu.au/__da ... r_2014.pdf


Should it be? Global collapse imminent!!! Great title! Dated? 2014 You do understand what the word "imminent" means, right?

Did we miss a global collapse between then and now as well as the peak oil collapses we were supposed to have seen?
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Re: Peak Oil > Covid 19 > Great Reset

Unread postby AdamB » Mon 16 Nov 2020, 11:47:50

warpig13 wrote:I've already talked to my son... having kids poses so many questions... Is it worth going to university being a key one at the moment... Maybe on the otherside of this university will be free again... but how the hell do they get there when there's no oil for petrol and power shortages!!!! it's impossible to know what to suggest to him...


Did you know that this sentiment is EXACTLY what was claimed a decade ago because of peak oil? Become a plumber! Learn to farm!!

My daughter just graduated college this spring with 2 degrees and a minor and went right to work for some ridiculous amount of money compared to what I made upon college graduation.

What you do tell your kids is important. I recommend not confusing Happy McDoomer religious dogma with the world we live in, as occasionally strange and confusing to you as it might appear to you. Screwing up one's own life is a right, screwing up your kids is just not cool.


warpig13 wrote: There is no future that looks anything like our present.


There never has been. What part of the definition and concept of "future" is it that you don't get? Why aren't you worried about REAL issues like Carrington events, gamma bursts, and continental sized flood basalts?
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