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Re: Panama Canal

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Thu 23 Jun 2016, 16:14:21

hvacman wrote:Assuming the US actually exports significant LNG. The expanded domestic use of NG at US power plants to displace coal, decline rate of the current crop of gas wells, and the cost to drill new ones could likely push us further into import mode from Canada.

Excellent point. I think you have the prospects correct.
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Re: Panama Canal

Unread postby Subjectivist » Thu 23 Jun 2016, 16:55:57

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Subjectivist wrote:It certainly took them long enough, 9 years with 21st century equipment? It hardly took longer than that to do the bulk of the work on the first canal 1904-1914, using a lot of hand labor supplemented with steam shovels.

Aw quite your bitching . For the five or six billion spent they have a much more marketable canal. Compare it to Boston's big dig at ten billion plus that accomplished almost nothing.



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Re: Panama Canal

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Thu 23 Jun 2016, 22:32:13

From the EIA: "Net natural gas exports to the United States - the NEB expects that Canadian natural gas net exports to the United States will fall to 2.5 billion cubic feet per day (Bcf/d) by 2025, shrinking to a negligible volume by 2040. Net exports to the United States have already decreased from a high of 10.6 Bcf/d in 2007 to 7.4 Bcf/d in 2014. By 2040, CEF projects that U.S. natural gas exports to eastern Canada will largely offset Canadian natural gas exports to the United States.

Liquefied natural gas exports to other destinations - With the decline of natural gas exports to the United States, LNG exports are expected to be the primary driver of Canadian natural gas production growth, with production growing from 15 Bcf/d in 2015 to nearly 18 Bcf/d in 2025. The NEB analyzes two additional cases in CEF to explore the impact of LNG exports on production. In a low-LNG case, where no liquefaction facilities are constructed, production remains at the 2015 level of 15 Bcf/d through 2040. In a high-LNG case, where LNG exports reach 4.0 Bcf/d by 2023 and 6.0 Bcf/d by 2030, production increases to 22 Bcf/d by 2040. Based on these results, CEF anticipates that future Canadian natural gas production growth will rely on the construction of LNG export capacity."

So today the US imports about 10% of our NG consumption from Canada. And the EIA expects that to fall to about 3% in 10 years. Difficult to see Canada as the US NG savior...today or in the future.
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Re: Panama Canal

Unread postby Subjectivist » Fri 24 Jun 2016, 06:41:20

ROCKMAN wrote:sub - "It hardly took longer than that to do the bulk of the work on the first canal 1904-1914..." Yeah but they didn't have unions back then. Ahhh, the good ole days. LOL.


To true! Estimates are 20,000 workers died during the decade the French spent working on it and another thousand or even more during the decade America spent completing it. Today if even 100 died it would be international news and more than that would seriously delay everything. It's kind of funny a century ago there were a quarter as many people living on Earth, but life was considered cheaper than delay.
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Re: Panama Canal

Unread postby Synapsid » Fri 24 Jun 2016, 20:28:58

ROCKMAN,

The difficulty in Canada has been in getting that export capability for LNG going. There have been more than a dozen applications for permits to construct LNG-export facilities on the British Columbia coast but most seem to have led nowhere. One that has survived and still shows signs of life is the application from Petronas, the Malaysian petroleum arm. The proposal is to build a facility for exporting LNG at Lelu Island, at the mouth of the Skeena River near Prince Rupert on the BC coast. I think that one is still progressing, albeit slowly, through the permitting process at both the provincial and federal levels.

BC itself, far as I know, has been supportive of the project, but both federal approval and the consent of First Nations through which the necessary pipeline would pass have been points of, at the least, discussion. One of the major points has been to what extent there would be benefits, such as jobs, for the First Nations. In the case of the project at Lelu Island, salmon grounds that are important both for tradition and for protein are critical.

I wouldn't expect significant capability for exporting LNG to come into existence on the west coast of Canada any time soon, myself. Paulo is the one to ask about this.
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Re: Panama Canal

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 26 Jun 2016, 22:37:03

A giant Chinese container ship has become the first vessel to move from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean via the newly-enlarged Panama Canal.

The ship was greeted with fireworks and cheers from a crowd that had gathered at the Cocoli locks to celebrate.

The Panamanian President, Juan Carlos Varela, described the waterway as a route that would unite the world.

The president thanked the nearly 30,000 people who had worked on the canal's expansion.

Construction on the new lane for the canal, which runs for 77km (48 miles), began in 2007 and was due to finish in 2014.

But strikes and disputes over costs delayed the $5.2bn (£3.8bn) project.

Panama Canal expansion prompts safety concerns

The original Panama Canal was first used in August 1914. It was built by the US and handed over to local control in 1999.

The expansion allows a new, much-larger generation of container ships to pass through the isthmus.

Some 35 to 40 vessels transit the waterway everyday.

But the canal could face competition from a new passage in Nicaragua.

The controversial 278km (172 mile) scheme, being built by a Chinese firm, will be longer, deeper and wider than the Panama Canal.

Its construction started in 2014 and it is estimated to cost $50bn (£32bn).


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Re: Panama Canal

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 24 Jun 2018, 11:52:53

The third set of locks at Panama opened two years ago this week and statistics for 2017 traffic are now available.

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The graph is proprietary so you have to click the link to view it. Here are some selected facts, 45% of the ships using the canal are now Neopanamax size container vessels able to carry up to 250% of the containers of the older Panamax class container ships. Next largest class of vessels usint the new locks are 35% and are Neopanamax class LPG carriers hauling natural gas liquids from the USA to Asia. Third place new traffic 10% LNG carriers that did not fit through the original locks, also hauling liquified Natural Gas.
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Re: Panama Canal

Unread postby Rod_Cloutier » Tue 26 Jun 2018, 09:17:37

Anyone ever heard of these canals:

https://youtu.be/BUsdiQD69ss?t=36s

Apparently they've existed for years but no one knows about them ?
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Re: Panama Canal

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Tue 26 Jun 2018, 12:40:52

I have seen those in numerous Travel Channel programs. They have largely been replaced by heavy trucks and roads, but still transport both frieght and pleasure boats. You can visit a huge portion of Europe in a sailboat, once you lay the mast down to clear the overpasses, and use the engine to traverse the canals. You can buy fuel all along those canals and visit historic and scenic cities, and sleep on your boat.
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Re: Panama Canal

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 26 Jun 2018, 12:46:50

Well SOME of us know about them. Google “aqueduct canal lift” for something even odder.
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Re: Panama Canal

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 26 Jun 2018, 13:02:12

KaiserJeep wrote:I have seen those in numerous Travel Channel programs. They have largely been replaced by heavy trucks and roads, but still transport both frieght and pleasure boats. You can visit a huge portion of Europe in a sailboat, once you lay the mast down to clear the overpasses, and use the engine to traverse the canals. You can buy fuel all along those canals and visit historic and scenic cities, and sleep on your boat.


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Re: Panama Canal

Unread postby Tanada » Wed 27 Jun 2018, 17:33:43

Rod_Cloutier wrote:Anyone ever heard of these canals:

https://youtu.be/BUsdiQD69ss?t=36s

Apparently they've existed for years but no one knows about them ?


Yeah actually, this is just more proof that the modern educational system stinks on ice. Canals and canal bridges have been around since Roman imperial times for crying all night. The Erie Canal built in the first two decades of the 19th Century has several 'canal bridges' that go over natural low spots/creeks/rivers for the reason that to descend to the natural surface and then come back up on the other side would require two sets of locks and a towpath bridge for the mules pulling the boats. Easier to just make a canal bridge with built in towpath. A canal bridge on the other hand allowed the mules pulling the boat to just keep plodding along.

The really big canal bridge in the UK is a world famous landmark and was built back in the days when the frequent rains of the UK would make land transport impassable for six months of the year while a canal bridge worked great in both seasons. In summer rain caused no problems and on the rare occasions it got too cold for the water to flow the canal became a perfect pathway for sleighs running on skies over the ice. IIRC the famous canal bridge in the UK had a windmill powered pump to lift river water from the valley up to the bridge level to keep the canal full despite the minor leaks caused by the long bridge and the wind effects that would sometimes curl droplets out of the canal.

As a matter of fact during WW II the UK canal system was reopened as a strategic asset by the federal government because a canal boat is incredibly fuel efficient compared to a truck in moving people and materials from point A to B if a canal is along that route. UK Canals WW II

Here is one from the Second Erie Canal from the Rochester NY public library collection, yes that is a self propelled canal barge coming towards the camera around the curve of the bridge.

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In the so called wisdom of the 20th century the Genessee river Aqueduct in Rochester was converted into a road and rail bridge,
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In a similar fashion the Erie and Fort Wayne canal in Toledo Ohio was filled in a a WPA project during the Great depression and renamed the Anthony Wayne Trail, a roadway that has constant problems with subsidence because it was built as a federal jobs program instead of being properly engineered.

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Re: Panama Canal

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