[TITAN]

Anyone else following the multiple developments today?

[Ayoob]

If Israel attacks Iran, they're going in alone. America has no stomach for another war.

[eXpat]

It surely looks like a black friday

[POArkie]

We dont have the stomach for another war, thats why we are making Isreal carry the big stick this time.
I am sure we will aid them sooner rather than later

[Dreamtwister]

If Israel attacks Iran, they're going in alone. America has no stomach for another war.

America doesn't have a choice.

[s]If[/s] WHEN Israel attacks Iran, they don't have the firepower to take out all 12,000 (known) targets in a reasonable timeframe. Any attack Israel makes on it's own will only wound Iran, leaving the bulk of it's C&C and infrastructure intact.

This would be bad for everyone.

America has 3 choices here:

1) Do nothing as Israel engages in an embarassing display of botched force projection, and watch the global economy come crashing down, not to mention the bloodbath it would create for US troops.

2) Force Israel to stand down. (Stand up to Israel? DEFEND IRAN? Somehow, I doubt it.)

3) Assist Israel and make sure it's done "right". It still crashes the global economy and still creates a bloodbath for US troops in the middle east, but it would be slightly less ugly.

[mystiek]

We don't have the stomach (or financial) for another war, but the bad part is that we are already over there, right in the middle. Pray for the sake of our troops and the middle east it doesn't go nuclear, chemical or biological (or all the above).

[mos6507]

We dont have the stomach for another war, thats why we are making Isreal carry the big stick this time.
I am sure we will aid them sooner rather than later

Did we "make" them take out Syria's nuclear facility? Did we "make" them take out Iraq's nuclear facility in the 80s? They will do whatever they feel they have to do to insure their survival.

[BigTex]

I'm just spinning around in circles seeing how dizzy I can make myself.

[Ayoob]

So let me get this straight. Iran has the oil, and we're going to side with Israel???? WTF??? How stupid is that.

What we should do is throw Israel under the bus and cut a deal with Iran for the oil!

The tail should not be wagging the dog.

[Dreamtwister]

So let me get this straight. Iran has the oil, and we're going to side with Israel???? WTF??? How stupid is that.

What we should do is throw Israel under the bus and cut a deal with Iran for the oil!

The tail should not be wagging the dog.

Careful. With that kind of talk, someone might try to paint a swastika on your forhead!

[Opies]

Its strange how people always talk of just 'invading iran'

Little do most westerners know that Iran is not some backwards self-squabbling third world country like Iraq; It is a modern, unified, and powerful country with a powerful military, and powerful ballistic weaponry. Unless the plan is to turn Iran into a sheet of green glass, the plan would be to not do anything. There is no way there can be a war with Iran short of regional nuclear which would be utterly disastrous for the entire planet.

[Dreamtwister]

Its strange how people always talk of just 'invading iran'

Who's doing that here? People around here tend to disagree on a lot of things, but one nearly universal point of agreement is that attacking Iran would be bad.

Little do most westerners know that Iran is not some backwards self-squabbling third world country like Iraq; It is a modern, unified, and powerful country with a powerful military, and powerful ballistic weaponry. Unless the plan is to turn Iran into a sheet of green glass, the plan would be to not do anything. There is no way there can be a war with Iran short of regional nuclear which would be utterly disastrous for the entire planet.

You are 100% right. Now please go tell that to Israel. Nobody else seems willing to stand up to them and say "Don't do it."

[Novus]

I am sure America could take on Iran if we really wanted to but it would have to be a WWII type effort with 100k+ American dead and of course a draft totaling in the millions. Go back to WWII type taxation of 90% of the income for top earners. Of course this would not be like Iraq were we fight with one hand behind the back. When America takes a town that resists we butcher every one down to the last man woman and child. That is how real wars are fought. Maybe if we actually knew what real war was we would be less inclined to start them. Fully understanding what real war is I would be all for kicking Israel under the bus if it pulls something stupid.

[Homesteader]

Heck, Zimbabwe could take on Iran if they really wanted to.

BTW I agree with you Novus, I'm just having a little fun at the end of a stressful day.

[Dreamtwister]

That is how real wars are fought.

You're pretty close to the mark, actually.

I read one estimate that said it would take a million troops and 60 years *just* to secure the Zargos Mountains. And by "secure", what I really mean is "Kill everyone and salt the earth". That's the kind of war we are talking about here: full-scale genocide spanning multiple generations.

Then there's the whole idea that China might not be too thrilled with the US coming in and taking "their" oil...

[Micki]

Did we "make" them take out Syria's nuclear facility? Did we "make" them take out Iraq's nuclear facility in the 80s? They will do whatever they feel they have to do to insure their survival.

For once I agree with mos6507. It is Israel that tells US what to do, not the other way around.

[POAlex]

I don't know how many of you have read this but an eye opening read is 33 degree Mason Albert Pike's Three World Wars. His plan required three world wars to unify the world under the Masonic Christ, which is really the Antichrist of the Bible. We've already seen two world wars to accomplish exactly what he planned and the third lining up as he said - Zionism vs. Islam.

Albert Pike's Three World Wars

Alex

[Twilight]

Is there a smiley for a sideways weary quizzical expression?

There is a particularly expressive one in Skype, but nothing like it here.

This doesn't really cut it:

[Specop_007]

If Israel attacks Iran, they're going in alone. America has no stomach for another war.

America doesn't have a choice.
[s]If[/s] WHEN Israel attacks Iran, they don't have the firepower to take out all 12,000 (known) targets in a reasonable timeframe. Any attack Israel makes on it's own will only wound Iran, leaving the bulk of it's C&C and infrastructure intact.
This would be bad for everyone.
America has 3 choices here:
1) Do nothing as Israel engages in an embarassing display of botched force projection, and watch the global economy come crashing down, not to mention the bloodbath it would create for US troops.
2) Force Israel to stand down. (Stand up to Israel? DEFEND IRAN? Somehow, I doubt it.)
3) Assist Israel and make sure it's done "right". It still crashes the global economy and still creates a bloodbath for US troops in the middle east, but it would be slightly less ugly.

Say WHAT??
Israel only wants to keep Iran non-nuclear. It certainly doesnt have to project force or destroy thousands of targets to do that. Lets not forget Israel has one of the finest air forces in the world. It only takes a few strikes from Israel to accomplish their goals.
Why on Earth would Israel want a full on war with Iran?

[Specop_007]

Its strange how people always talk of just 'invading iran'
Little do most westerners know that Iran is not some backwards self-squabbling third world country like Iraq; It is a modern, unified, and powerful country with a powerful military, and powerful ballistic weaponry. Unless the plan is to turn Iran into a sheet of green glass, the plan would be to not do anything. There is no way there can be a war with Iran short of regional nuclear which would be utterly disastrous for the entire planet.

Right.
You mean the country that keeps sending "gunboats" to harras the US Navy??
Please. My grandfathers fishing boat is as much gunboat as what Iran is floating.
Lets not overstate the abilities of 2nd rate Russian gear to get the job done.