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Re: World War III is well and truly underway. And we are los

Unread postby ennui2 » Sat 20 Aug 2016, 17:24:17

Ttat disgusting lifestyle ain't over yet. So keep stewing in your disgust.
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Re: World War III is well and truly underway. And we are los

Unread postby GHung » Sat 20 Aug 2016, 17:50:18

Pity, maybe; not disgust. "Forgive them, for they know not what they do" or something like that. Meanwhile I just got back from the garden, picking cukes to make more pickles. Can't go back to store-bought pickles (sort of a metaphor I guess). Tomorrow we'll probably can more beans and apple sauce.
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Re: World War III is well and truly underway. And we are los

Unread postby Ibon » Sat 20 Aug 2016, 18:52:42

GHung wrote:Pity, maybe; not disgust. "Forgive them, for they know not what they do" or something like that.


Like stages of grief there is also a timeline of reaction. I went from anger to disgust, at times pity, but I have landed in a place where irrelevant is the best word that describes my reaction to those who willfully and unquestionably submit to the golden cage.
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Re: World War III is well and truly underway. And we are los

Unread postby Ibon » Sat 20 Aug 2016, 19:17:15

I thought I would share an off the grid vignette. We are building again here at Mount Totumas, adding an owners cabin and a couple rooms. Today the power was shut down to the lodge and other cabins so that all 7.6KW from our hydro turbine could feed the construction site. One of our workers was welding pieces of rebar and was using a welder that requires 7KW which sucks in all our power.

In the midst of this I got stuck in a rainstorm and went back to the lodge cold and wet and jumped in the tub to run some hot water. Unfortunately the water was lukewarm because the electric hot water tank was shut down. I had to switch to on demand propane to get the hot water. I am laying in the tub and it just didn't feel right, using propane to heat water. Propane I had to pay for and haul up the mountain using our diesel pick up truck. I just dumped a few buckets over my head and exited.

When you are used to generating your own free power and then you suddenly use bought for propane for something as non essential like heating water for a bath, you just don't feel quite right about it.

If we have the lodge full of guests and are making good income and have to switch to propane that's fine. But alone in the lodge and using propane to heat water just rubbed me all wrong.

In moments like this I cant help but imagine the hundreds of millions of folks out there switching lights and power off and on all day without appreciating it or even realizing where their power comes from.
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Re: World War III is well and truly underway. And we are los

Unread postby Hawkcreek » Sat 20 Aug 2016, 19:34:20

I don't live on that corporate treadmill anymore, but I have to admit, I kinda liked it sometimes. In my business there was always a challenge to meet, different people to like or dislike, and often new gadgets to play with. Of course, I always worked as a contractor, so I left any job that I didn't like. I have probably quit at least 20 or 30 jobs in my life. I could almost always find someone willing to pay me more to let me change my surroundings. I feel sorry for the young people today that don't have that kind of freedom.
I have never considered myself a survivalist, just someone with a bit of paranoia left over from my younger days, combined with the responsibility I felt for my family. I worked on my Plan B for a long time, but now I just consider it a part time home.
Like I said before, I like good coffee, travelling, etc, etc.. I probably burn over 1000 gallons of gas a year, just in finding pretty places to camp, and nice people to meet.
I do think most of the things I like will be much harder to find and enjoy in the future, but that doesn't matter to me very much. I'm pushing 70, and I will probably be hard to find in the not too distant future myself.
Meanwhile, life is great, I have turkeys to feed when I am on the hill, pictures to take of the pretty landscapes I find, and motorcycles that still give me an adrenaline rush, once in a while.
I don't really think the collapse will come in time to make my life any more interesting than it already is.
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Re: World War III is well and truly underway. And we are los

Unread postby onlooker » Sat 20 Aug 2016, 19:41:14

I think Ibon your story dramatizes to me the incredible waste and over consumption evident in our modern industrial civilization. I believe I had read from Greer that some of the personal electrical uses could have so easily been serviced by wind or solar. Things like heating water, lights, fans, running water etc. In turn this dramatizes how at some point we were at a crucible whereby we could have perhaps chosen a less ostentatious and prolific economic system via wind/solar etc. but decided to go with the most energy intensive type of economic system via fossil fuels. Was this as inevitable as overpopulation was given our medical advances? Probably. But who knows.
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Re: World War III is well and truly underway. And we are los

Unread postby Ibon » Sat 20 Aug 2016, 20:24:53

onlooker wrote:I think Ibon your story dramatizes to me the incredible waste and over consumption evident in our modern industrial civilization. I believe I had read from Greer that some of the personal electrical uses could have so easily been serviced by wind or solar. Things like heating water, lights, fans, running water etc. In turn this dramatizes how at some point we were at a crucible whereby we could have perhaps chosen a less ostentatious and prolific economic system via wind/solar etc. but decided to go with the most energy intensive type of economic system via fossil fuels. Was this as inevitable as overpopulation was given our medical advances? Probably. But who knows.


It's a strange world full of cognitive dissonance. I despair burning some propane to heat water for a bath but I run an eco tourist lodge that depends on tourists flying on airplanes thousands of miles to visit us and provide us an income.
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Re: World War III is well and truly underway. And we are los

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 21 Aug 2016, 06:43:49

Yeah, I get that Ibon. I feel the hypocrite all the time.

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Re: World War III is well and truly underway. And we are los

Unread postby dts » Mon 05 Sep 2016, 19:44:18

I think we as a nation should fund free sterilization across the world and give people 10,000 to do it for every member of the family that does choose it. Instead of using all the money for war, use the money for that and bring back civilian conservation corps and plant trees, bring back the trolleys which were taken down by fossil fuel corporations. Back in the 50's there was a trolley to every city in Indiana but it was pulled apart for buses run on gas. Make propaganda against climate change punishable for attempting to kill off the human race. Tell everyone victory gardens are back in vogue and have the civilian conservation corps put in wind mills, solar panels for free everywhere. There is so much that could be done but the humans that run shell and exxon wont even let us try, they don't get it that climate change is going to kill them as well, our oligarchs are so exceptionally stupid.
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Obama Threatens Putin with Nuclear War

Unread postby dissident » Sat 15 Oct 2016, 09:34:08

http://russia-insider.com/en/obama-thre ... ar/ri17032

Interviewer Chuck Todd had asked him, “Why would he [Obama] send a message out to Putin?” Biden pursed his lips, paused, and said, with a grim look on his face, “We sent him the message.” Of course that didn’t answer Todd’s question, which was “Why?" Biden and Todd both remained silent for another tense moment. Then, Biden picked up again: “We have the capacity to do it, and, uh,” and Todd interrupted him there with “He’ll know it?” Biden replied: “He’ll know it, and it’ll be at a time of our choosing, and under circumstances that have the greatest impact. Uh, the capacity to do, to fundamentally alter the election, is not what people think; and, uh, I tell you what: to the extent that they do [‘do’ presumably meaning: fundamentally alter the election], we will be proportionate in what we do. And, uh,” Todd again interrupted his interviewee, and said, “So, a message is going to be sent. Will the public know?” Biden replied, “Hope not.”


The lunatics in the White House really believe that they have nuclear primacy. This is what the delusion about being exceptional gets you. Delusions of grandeur and invincibility. The broken record of western history and its perpetual drang nach osten.

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Re: Obama Threatens Putin with Nuclear War

Unread postby vox_mundi » Sat 15 Oct 2016, 09:47:46

dissident wrote:http://russia-insider.com/en/obama-threatens-putin-nuclear-war/ri17032

Interviewer Chuck Todd had asked him, “Why would he [Obama] send a message out to Putin?” Biden pursed his lips, paused, and said, with a grim look on his face, “We sent him the message.” Of course that didn’t answer Todd’s question, which was “Why?" Biden and Todd both remained silent for another tense moment. Then, Biden picked up again: “We have the capacity to do it, and, uh,” and Todd interrupted him there with “He’ll know it?” Biden replied: “He’ll know it, and it’ll be at a time of our choosing, and under circumstances that have the greatest impact. Uh, the capacity to do, to fundamentally alter the election, is not what people think; and, uh, I tell you what: to the extent that they do [‘do’ presumably meaning: fundamentally alter the election], we will be proportionate in what we do. And, uh,” Todd again interrupted his interviewee, and said, “So, a message is going to be sent. Will the public know?” Biden replied, “Hope not.”


The lunatics in the White House really believe that they have nuclear primacy. This is what the delusion about being exceptional gets you. Delusions of grandeur and invincibility. The broken record of western history and its perpetual drang nach osten.

You will get yours and you will never recover.


The interview was about cyberwar - not nuclear war

vox_mundi wrote: CIA Prepping for Possible Cyber Strike Against Russia

The Obama administration is contemplating an unprecedented cyber covert action against Russia in retaliation for alleged Russian interference in the American presidential election, U.S. intelligence officials told NBC News.

Current and former officials with direct knowledge of the situation say the CIA has been asked to deliver options to the White House for a wide-ranging "clandestine" cyber operation designed to harass and "embarrass" the Kremlin leadership.

The sources did not elaborate on the exact measures the CIA was considering, but said the agency had already begun opening cyber doors, selecting targets and making other preparations for an operation. Former intelligence officers told NBC News that the agency had gathered reams of documents that could expose unsavory tactics by Russian President Vladimir Putin.

When asked if the American public will know a message was sent, the vice president replied, "Hope not."

Retired Admiral James Stavridis told NBC News' Cynthia McFadden that the U.S. should attack Russia's ability to censor its internal internet traffic and expose the financial dealings of President Vladimir Putin and his associates.
"It's well known that there's great deal of offshore money moved outside of Russia from oligarchs," he said. "It would be very embarrassing if that was revealed, and that would be a proportional response to what we've seen" in Russia's alleged hacks and leaks targeting U.S. public opinion.

"We've always hesitated to use a lot of stuff we've had, but that's a political decision," one former officer said. "If someone has decided, `We've had enough of the Russians,' there is a lot we can do. Step one is to remind them that two can play at this game and we have a lot of stuff. Step two, if you are looking to mess with their networks, we can do that, but then the issue becomes, they can do worse things to us in other places."
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Re: Obama Threatens Putin with Nuclear War

Unread postby Tanada » Sat 15 Oct 2016, 09:50:06

These foolish decisions make me very nervous.

Russia is not Iraq, with a third world military and no ability to defend itself in depth. Russia has thousands of nuclear devices at its disposal that can be launched in reprisal of any attack.

Just having three 'satellites' orbiting over the USA go off EMP fashion would totally destroy our financial system in a blink of an eye without directly killing any civilians.

Nuclear war is a game nobody wins and everybody loses.
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Re: Obama Threatens Putin with Nuclear War

Unread postby Ibon » Sat 15 Oct 2016, 09:54:59

Tanada wrote:Nuclear war is a game nobody wins and everybody loses.


Maybe a county like Uruguay would win. A country far away from geopolitical conflict, somewhat self sufficient. The citizens would feel so grateful of their privileged position in the aftermaths of such an event that it would bind the country together with a sense of unity. Just saying.
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Re: Obama Threatens Putin with Nuclear War

Unread postby AgentR11 » Sat 15 Oct 2016, 10:07:59

Diss, they aren't talking about a military engagement; they're talking about hacking each other; which is kinda stupid; we're hacking the Russians as hard as we possibly can, and Russians are doing exactly the same thing, RIGHT NOW. Its fine.

They're only talking about it openly because hacking became publicly entangled in the US election, so they have to make like they're about to pull off some great retaliatory move. When in fact, they'll just keep doing what they've already been doing for years; and Russia will do the same.

Also, probably shouldn't think of these things as specifically government ordered, but instead, think of them as tolerated activity of black hats within the US and Russia, encouraged to target each's adversary.

At most, a US team will be encouraged to do something that makes a splashy effect visible to Western press... (and likely mocked in Russian in Russia).
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Re: Obama Threatens Putin with Nuclear War

Unread postby jesus_of_suburbia » Sat 15 Oct 2016, 10:08:39

The video won't play for me. Does Biden specifically mention nuclear war? Reading the quotes transcribed in the article, I didn't see any explicit threats of nuclear war. I know there's been a lot of shit talk regarding a cyber attack on Russia, so I'm assuming that's what Biden is referring to.

Either way, can our government just drop this already? We are looking dumber by the day. If we really want to push someone around, how about a non-nuclear power? Go slap around that guy in the Philippines if you really need a fix.

I really hope this is the typical tough guy posturing the Democrats do before elections. They are so scared of being called weak by the Republicans. This puffed chest facade is just flat out embarrassing.
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Re: Obama Threatens Putin with Nuclear War

Unread postby dissident » Sat 15 Oct 2016, 16:10:31

vox_mundi wrote:
The interview was about cyberwar - not nuclear war



It is not for the yapper to decide what is the interpretation of ambiguous threats. It is for the audience to decide. If Biden was worried about clarity he would have used different language. He used ambiguous language on purpose since threatening cyber war is for morons and a nice "plausible deniability" cover.

BTW, "cyber war" is a term for retards. Shutting down access to a few internet hubs and launching DOS attacks is really a joke and not something to elevate to WWIII dialogue.

Any security organization with a clue would have dealt with STUXNET type firmware sabotage a long time ago. So the notion that Obama will be able to shut down power plants in Russia is ludicrous. Same goes the other way around.
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Re: Obama Threatens Putin with Nuclear War

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 15 Oct 2016, 18:00:02

vox_mundi wrote:cyberwar - not nuclear war



Why is Obama threatening Russia at all? Don't forget, Obama is also threatening to intervene military in Syria on the side of the Jihadis in Aleppo---this would bring him into military conflict with Russia, which is backing the government of Syria.

Obama is acting like an egomaniac---no one appointed him king of the world with the right to boss around every other country on the planet. Has Obama consulted with president-to-be Hillary on this, or is he just trying to screw things up as much as he can before he leaves office.....
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Re: Obama Threatens Putin with Nuclear War

Unread postby BahamasEd » Sat 15 Oct 2016, 20:35:32

a few minor points.

1. cyberwar, one government attacking another government is an act of war and the one attacked would be legally able to reply with real war.
2. The DNC is not part of the U.S. government.
3. Someone needs to explain what "covert action" means to Biden.
4. and the question no one is asking, Why are the DNC, and anyone else, using a email system that is hackable?
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Re: 'Doomsday Clock' to stand still amid nuclear tensions

Unread postby Tanada » Thu 27 Oct 2016, 11:35:03

With all the new talk about nuclear war in the conspiracy realms of the internet has the clock even moved a minute?
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Re: 'Doomsday Clock' to stand still amid nuclear tensions

Unread postby Subjectivist » Thu 27 Oct 2016, 15:13:07

Timeline
IT IS STILL 3 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT
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3 minutes to midnight
2016: "Last year, the Science and Security Board moved the Doomsday Clock forward to three minutes to midnight, noting: 'The probability of global catastrophe is very high, and the actions needed to reduce the risks of disaster must be taken very soon.' That probability has not been reduced. The Clock ticks. Global danger looms. Wise leaders should act—immediately." See the full statement from the Science and Security Board on the 2016 time of the Doomsday Clock

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