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Re: Mass Exodus from US Coasts begins in LA

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Sun 07 Jan 2018, 13:34:04

onlooker, do these properties look abandonned or distressed to you?

https://www.sothebysrealty.com/eng/sales/nantucket-ma-usa

...like I said if you cannot afford the beach, chances are that you are Middle Class and should not be living there anyway. I am Middle Class and I will be living 1/2 mile from the Nantucket shore, in a pine forest with a dirt road, no water or sewer connection, no snow plowing, 4WD required for access.
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Re: Mass Exodus from US Coasts begins in LA

Unread postby onlooker » Sun 07 Jan 2018, 14:53:39

We will see when they really jack up the insurance rates in those areas with those rates. Think of parts of California or coastal parts of Florida or the Gulf Coast, how long before natural disasters make those places unaffordable to only the wealthy? The combination of danger and expense will dampen enthusiasm to live in such areas
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Re: Mass Exodus from US Coasts begins in LA

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 07 Jan 2018, 14:57:40

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Hey already are unaffordable to mere mortals
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Re: Mass Exodus from US Coasts begins in LA

Unread postby pstarr » Sun 07 Jan 2018, 15:26:35

KaiserJeep wrote:onlooker, do these properties look abandonned or distressed to you?

https://www.sothebysrealty.com/eng/sales/nantucket-ma-usa

...like I said if you cannot afford the beach, chances are that you are Middle Class and should not be living there anyway. I am Middle Class and I will be living 1/2 mile from the Nantucket shore, in a pine forest with a dirt road, no water or sewer connection, no snow plowing, 4WD required for access.

I know people who have done the same on Martha's Vineyard. It's snowbound, remote, lonely and depressing in the winter. Bring a lot of your favorite libation. The old timers play checkers.
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Re: Mass Exodus from US Coasts begins in LA

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Sun 07 Jan 2018, 17:02:12

Don't forget I'm married to a Nantucket native. She has so many Portuguese and Norwegian relatives that I can't keep track, and the social life is quite active, and I'm not talking about online social networking, either.

The island is quite peaceful in Winter, compared to the frenetic Summer and tourists. Twice in the 44 years since the USCG sent me there, there were exceptionally cold Winters - the harbor froze, ending Ferry service until the USCG icebreaker arrived, and forming a huge puddle at the end of my dirt road (no drainage ditches or culverts then). Just last year they paved the end of the street, and a gas station/convenience store was built there - a 4WD should be all that is needed, plus a stash of non-perishable food.

I am considering an electric bicycle to enable shopping in spite of Summer traffic. It just might make the Summer tolerable for a few weeks with the Grandkids. A tricycle with a large basket for 3+ bags of groceries would be more practical. Either way there is only one problem, which is how sore your ass gets after riding on cobblestone streets!
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Re: Mass Exodus from US Coasts begins in LA

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sun 07 Jan 2018, 18:20:31

KaiserJeep wrote:Don't forget I'm married to a Nantucket native. ....
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Either way there is only one problem, which is how sore your ass gets after riding on cobblestone streets!

I remember the cobble stones. We Honey mooned there in 1977. Mopeds were the thing but beyond our budget so we rode around on borrowed bicycles.
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Re: Mass Exodus from US Coasts begins in LA

Unread postby pstarr » Sun 07 Jan 2018, 19:48:27

KJ, sounds like you have it all dialed in. And very nice :) I'd be there in a wink.
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Re: Mass Exodus from US Coasts begins in LA

Unread postby ozcad » Sun 07 Jan 2018, 22:24:06

KJ, sounds like you may be well served by:

(Ebay search term): "Snow Beach Sand Fat Mountain Bike"

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2015-WHEELE ... SwVF1aTAvH

I have not ridden one, but I imagine that it should work on cobblestones.
I further imagine that high speed stability (tank-slappers) should be potentially better than conventional mountain-bike suspension, which usually suffers from flexi-fork sliders and sensitivity to microscopic wear on the rear swing-arm bearings.
I yet further imagine that if you only rode on roads you would soon want tyres that were ribbed longitudinally rather than laterally to reduce the "brrrrr" noise.
Going right out on a limb I foolishly imagine that they should be easy to lekky-motorise.

Does anyone have experience with these?
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Re: Mass Exodus from US Coasts begins in LA

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 07 Jan 2018, 22:34:13

We’ve got the same fat tire bikes in Alaska for riding on snow. They’re harder to pedal then normal bikes and wonky to balance on.

I’d recommend renting one to see if you like the ride before spending the big bucks to buy one.
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Re: Mass Exodus from US Coasts begins in LA

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Wed 20 Jun 2018, 16:04:59

I actually have something different in mind. That would be a recumbent, fat tire tricycle:
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...which is available preassembled with an electric motor rear hub conversion:
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and https://electricbikereview.com/sun-seeker/fat-tad-electric-trike/
Once the back wheel is equipped with panniers to contain your groceries:
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...it's no longer apparent that the motor/battery is present, as long as you leave it in "pedal assist mode" and move your legs.

Here's a video review. Full front/rear spring suspension, fully assembled, up to 46 mile range depending on battery pack option selected. The 4" balloon tires and suspension makes for comfort and seems ideal for my Nantucket place, where I have a 6+ mile round trip to fetch groceries, including an unpaved road and sections of cobblestones interspersed with blacktop and concrete paving.

https://electricbikereview.com/sun-seeker/fat-tad-electric-trike/

Yeah, I know electric is cheating. But I do own a conventional pedal bike and I do use it and take it camping. But on Nantucket, that high pressure, narrow-tired bike is not ideal, I've seen cobblestones destroy conventional bike wheels.
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Re: Mass Exodus from US Coasts begins in LA

Unread postby Newfie » Fri 29 Jun 2018, 11:31:39

KJ,

You heard if this?

Meet the founders of Asgardia, the first official space-based nation.

Has “we’ve got to get the hell out of here!” crossed your mind recently, vis-a-vis the Earth? You’re in luck: The universe’s first space nation is officially open for business.

Asgardia, named after the mythical Norse city in the sky, doesn’t have a physical outpost in space yet. But as of this week it does have a prime minister, a parliament, and a population of some 200,000 citizens.



https://www.citylab.com/life/2018/06/br ... ce/563816/
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Re: Mass Exodus from US Coasts begins in LA

Unread postby KingM » Fri 29 Jun 2018, 12:37:11

Newfie wrote:KJ,
Asgardia, named after the mythical Norse city in the sky, doesn’t have a physical outpost in space yet.


Nor will it ever.
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Re: Mass Exodus from US Coasts begins in LA

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Fri 29 Jun 2018, 15:06:52

Newfie, you and Ibon are the two people I correspond with here who have gotten the He!! out of the USA, him in Panama and you on a sailboat. The rest of us are still trying to survive in our country.
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Re: Mass Exodus from US Coasts begins in LA

Unread postby jedrider » Fri 29 Jun 2018, 16:38:45

NYC, or Manhattan, at least, won't be abandoned. Since it is built on rock, people will just live up in the air and go building to building on walkways strung between buildings. The rest of NYC will probably have to relocate to New Jersey, though. That's a lot of people. I think they'll be starvation before then, so it won't be such a big problem after all. Wall Street is at the lowest elevation, but we won't need Wall Street by then either! That's a win-win.
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Re: Mass Exodus from US Coasts begins in LA

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Re: Mass Exodus from US Coasts begins in LA

Unread postby Ibon » Mon 10 Sep 2018, 06:58:39

Newfie wrote:MSM article on the topic.

https://www.ocregister.com/2018/09/08/a ... alifornia/


All that affordable housing back east in those rust belt states just sitting and waiting for a renaissance.
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Re: Mass Exodus from US Coasts begins in LA

Unread postby Newfie » Mon 10 Sep 2018, 09:32:44

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Re: Mass Exodus from US Coasts begins in LA

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Mon 10 Sep 2018, 09:35:18

Doomers must doom, I suppose. But the real estate business in NYC, Boston, most major cities is fine. On Nantucket, in spite of spiraling prices, things are just fine. After all, they just are not making places to live anymore, the planet is filling with people.

I wanted to have my carpet cleaned here on the island, but was told they were booking in December. Three unsolicited bids for the island house, all over $1M. I might have to wait 3+ years to construct another home here.

The Silicon Valley home will list for over $1M, and almost certainly sell for more. That's what passes for normal.

Not saying this is sensible, just that there are no signs of mass exodus. Fake News. What is happening is the further erosion of the middle class, and the high demand for high end real estate is accelerating.
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Re: Mass Exodus from US Coasts begins in LA

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Mon 10 Sep 2018, 13:42:52

KJ - Let's go back to the first post after the lead article...yours, in fact: "It's a bad news/bad news sort of thing. The more fresh water you pump up from the ground, the faster it subsides. The most fresh water is pumped in areas where there are the most people."

The primary reason for these newly designated “uninhabitable” areas has nothing to do with pumping out ground water or sea level rise. The situation would be identical had no ground water been pumped or if there was never an increase in seal level. The primary cause is SUBSIDENCE. Amazing how such easily researched data there is that very few bother to pull…including you, my friend.

Consider all the coastal area of south La. How many are aware that there are rocks 35,000’+ below that area that were deposited in less than 5’ of water? Yes: the ground has subsided more than 6 MILES BELOW THE CURRENT SURFACE. That’s not a typo: more than 6 miles. Granted it took millions of years. But it still continues today. There are numerous documentations of how much the land has continued to subside over the last 200 years. I know first-hand: I grew up in New Orleans. Search "Gulf of Mexico GEOSYNCLINE". South La. Is the worst place in the US to argue CC sea level change: it is easily countered with the subsidence phenomenon. It is not doing the cause any benefit.

Yep: lots of “inhabitable” areas along the coast there today. Just as there was before the fossil fuel age. Just as there was 1,000 years ago. Just as there was 100,000 years ago. Etc. Etc.
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Re: Mass Exodus from US Coasts begins in LA

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Mon 10 Sep 2018, 13:53:05

And if you're curious about coastal erosion and why it's happening with the Mississippi River being one of the largest sediment carriers on the planet you can thank the US Corps of Engineers. Again easy data search: "Louisiana coastal erosion" or "Mississippi River migration".
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