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ISIS Islamic State in Iraq and Syria Thread Pt. 2

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Re: ISIS Islamic State in Iraq and Syria Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby M_B_S » Mon 17 Sep 2018, 14:47:40

BBC NEWS

Syria war: Russia and Turkey to create buffer zone in Idlib

Russia and Turkey have agreed to create a demilitarised buffer zone in Syria's Idlib province to separate government forces from rebel fighters based there.

Russian President Vladimir Putin said it would be 15km to 25km (9-15 miles) wide and come into force by 15 October.

Troops from Russia, an ally of Syria's government, and Turkey, which backs the rebels, will patrol the zone.....
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Another piece of Syria goes to Dictator Erdogan (MünchenII ?)

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Re: ISIS Islamic State in Iraq and Syria Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby Cog » Mon 17 Sep 2018, 21:39:54

Seems that a Russian electronic warfare plane has been shot down. Oops. LOL
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Re: ISIS Islamic State in Iraq and Syria Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby GASMON » Tue 18 Sep 2018, 03:37:38

RAF did it - Reprisals for Salisbury !!

Tin hats ON !!

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Re: ISIS Islamic State in Iraq and Syria Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby M_B_S » Tue 18 Sep 2018, 05:02:16

COG + GASMON

Only TOTAL Idiots are happy with that "shot down".

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/18/worl ... plane.html

“We reserve the right to take adequate measures in response,” said Igor Konashenkov, a spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry, according to the news agency Interfax. “As a result of the irresponsible actions of the Israeli military, 15 Russian servicemen died. This absolutely does not correspond to the spirit of Russian-Israeli partnership.”

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45556290

Russia blames Israel after military plane shot down off Syria

https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-new ... -1.6489773

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/17/poli ... index.html

Syria accidentally shot down a Russian military plane
By Barbara Starr, Ryan Browne and Nathan Hodge, CNN

Updated 0952 GMT (1752 HKT) September 18, 2018

Russia Blames Israel for Military Plane Shot Down Over Syria
Moscow said it reserved the right to ‘respond adequately’ to the loss


https://www.wsj.com/articles/russia-bla ... 1537260656

https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Syria ... ane-567479

According to Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov, the plane was shot down by Syria’s S-200 air defense system because Israel’s F-16 fighters used it as a cover.
https://southfront.org/russian-military ... -as-cover/
“By using the Russian plane as a cover the Israeli air pilots made it vulnerable to Syrian air defense fire. As a result, the Ilyushin-20, its reflective surface being far greater than that of F-16, was downed by a missile launched with the S-200 system,” Konashenkov said. “The bombing raid was not far from France’s frigate The Auvergne and in close proximity to the UIyushin-20 plane of Russia’s Aerospace Force that was about to land.”

Konashenkov added that Israeli warplanes had been carrying out strikes in the area of Latakia and deliberately created a dangerous situation for surface ships and aircraft in that area. He added that Russia reserves the right to give a due response.

“We see these provocative actions of Israel as hostile,” Konashenkov said. “Israel did not warn the command of the Russian troops in Syria about the planned operation. We received a notification via a hotline less than a minute before the strike, which did not allow the Russian aircraft to be directed to a safe zone.”

Israel’s Embassy in Moscow has refused to comment on the Russian statement on the IL-20 incident.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/russia-bl ... el-attack/

Russia blames Israel after Syria downs plane while trying to repel attack
Russian defense chief tells Liberman that Israel wholly responsible for aircraft with 15 aboard being shot down by Syrian S-200 missile, says Moscow reserves right to respond
By JUDAH ARI GROSS, TOI STAFF and AGENCIES
Today, 11:11 am
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[b]The normal step by Russia is now declaring space closed for Israel attacks in Syria [/b]

BOOM!

=> Russia Attacking all planes which are a direct or indirect thread to russian forces in and close to Syria
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Re: ISIS Islamic State in Iraq and Syria Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby Cog » Tue 18 Sep 2018, 06:22:30

Wait. So Syria shoots down a Russian plane and that is somehow the Izzie's fault? Sounds like the Syrians and Russians need to work on their IFF systems. The Israelis have warned the Syrians repeatedly, they will not let Syria be used as a manufacturing and staging point for Hezbollah. Blaming Iran for this would be appropriate.

As far as closing Syrian airspace off to Israel, the Syrians and Russians are no more capable of stopping Israel than they are the United States from bombing at will in Syria.
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Re: ISIS Islamic State in Iraq and Syria Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby Tanada » Tue 18 Sep 2018, 07:38:14

Cog wrote:As far as closing Syrian airspace off to Israel, the Syrians and Russians are no more capable of stopping Israel than they are the United States from bombing at will in Syria.


Uh huh. Make no mistake I love Israel, but the idea that a tiny nation can defeat a nuclear power able to devastate the world in a nuclear holocaust is a wee bit over the top in my estimation. It doesn't mater if every member of the Israeli military is a Homo Superior with an IQ of 200 and the strength of Mr. Universe contestants, even counting down to babes in the arms of mama the Russians outnumber the Israelis by 10:1 and they have the capacity to erase the entire country off the map.

As always it is a cost benefit analysis, Russia has little to gain by erasing Israel and a lot to lose in terms of threats from western nations to retaliate. But never confuse ABILITY with CAPABILITY because all it takes is enough people who don't care about the consequences in the decision chain for all that to change.
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Re: ISIS Islamic State in Iraq and Syria Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby Cog » Tue 18 Sep 2018, 07:44:12

If only Israel had their own nuclear response and a big brother with an overwhelming one to keep Russia from contemplating such a thing. No wait...they do.
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Re: ISIS Islamic State in Iraq and Syria Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby GASMON » Tue 18 Sep 2018, 12:34:47

The Israeli government(s) are not squeaky clean and I dislike their forever land theft for "living room". The Palestinians deserve a state. This needs sorting / agreeing ASAP by the UN (fat chance). If not trouble will only continue and increase.

Like it or lump it the Jews run the worlds money - including Putin's and others (stolen) $$$Billions. It's all in / conducted via the big (Jewish) banks in New York and London - the amount of Russian money invested in London is immense. Putin will be carefull with Israel, you can "bank" on that.

Syria is a hornets nest, the current location of the ongoing proxy wars between many factions, Russia, USA & UK included.

A right mess.

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Re: ISIS Islamic State in Iraq and Syria Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby M_B_S » Tue 25 Sep 2018, 01:35:39

Russia send S300 AA to Syria

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/2018 ... ria-s-300/

The Russian Defense Ministry promised to take "adequate" measures to boost the security of Russian servicemen after the Israeli Air Force used the Russian Il-20 as a shield while attacking targets in Syria, which led to the downing of the aircraft by Syrian air defenses last week.

During a Monday briefing, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said Moscow will deliver the S-300 air defense systems to Syria within two weeks as an adequate response to Israel's role in the downing of the Russian Il-20 plane last week.
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In an apparent reference to the S-300, the statement said "transferring advanced weapons to irresponsible hands will increase the dangers in the region," adding that Israel will "continue to defend its security and interests."

Shoigu announced that Russia would also equip Syrian air defenses with a new automated control system to enhance its efficiency and help identify Russian aircraft. On top of that, the Russian military will start using electronic countermeasures to jam any aircraft that would try to launch attacks off Syria's coast.

"We are convinced that these measures will calm down some hotheads and keep them from careless actions which pose a threat to our troops," Shoigu said.

The Israeli military has denied responsibility for the downing of the Russian jet, insisting Sunday that Israeli jets did not hide behind other aircraft and that they were in Israeli airspace when the Russian plane was downed.

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http://www.vindy.com/news/2018/sep/25/u ... fense-sys/

US warns Russia over missile defense for Syria 8O :!:

September 25, 2018 at 12:05a.m.

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Re: ISIS Islamic State in Iraq and Syria Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby dissident » Tue 25 Sep 2018, 08:31:55

So the White Helmet terrorist chemical weapons theater got cut off and went nowhere. Having lost this opportunity to gang rape Syria, NATO and its regional ally decided to stage a provocation enticing Russia into attacking a French naval ship (that did fire missiles in a coordinated distraction attack). Instead of taking the bait, Russia let the Israelis flail in the wind accusing Syria and Iran (why Iran?) and used the provocation and lack of accountability to finally give the Syrians S-300 systems.

Bolton and other neo-con clowns can huff and puff all they want.
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Re: ISIS Islamic State in Iraq and Syria Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby M_B_S » Fri 05 Oct 2018, 03:09:55

https://southfront.org/turkish-backed-f ... ern-idlib/

Turkey supports ISIS+ NUSRA Terrorists in Syria

Dictator Erdogan still plays ping pong with Russia and USA vs. EU

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