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Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby Tanada » Mon 21 Jan 2019, 22:29:29

Newfie wrote:I see it omits he Marine Corps and the USCG.

ONe would think the USCG is the service most at risk to SLR. Then again USCG budget isnt even a rounding error to the others.


Nah, a quarter of the Coast Guard is deployed to the great Lakes placing all their stuff way above max sea level rise. As for their other stuff with the 'joint base' shenanigans that have been going on for the last decade a lot of their old bases have been closed and they now share space on military bases. Remember it used to be Andrews Air Force base but now it is 'Joint Base Andrews' and so on and so forth.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby asg70 » Tue 22 Jan 2019, 00:59:14

Plantagenet wrote:How high up should we be thinking of moving everything??


How do you suggest we even start moving on that with an AGW denying president in office?

Just keep that cognitive dissonance going, Plant.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby careinke » Tue 22 Jan 2019, 01:46:23

asg70 wrote:
Plantagenet wrote:How high up should we be thinking of moving everything??


How do you suggest we even start moving on that with an AGW denying president in office?

Just keep that cognitive dissonance going, Plant.


If Trump understood/researched AGW I would have voted for him.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby GHung » Tue 22 Jan 2019, 09:00:41

January 21, 2019
Greenland ice melting rapidly, study finds
Southwest part of the country could be major contributor to sea level rise


Greenland is melting faster than scientists previously thought—and will likely lead to faster sea level rise—thanks to the continued, accelerating warming of the Earth’s atmosphere, a new study has found.

Scientists concerned about sea level rise have long focused on Greenland’s southeast and northwest regions, where large glaciers stream iceberg-sized chunks of ice into the Atlantic Ocean. Those chunks float away, eventually melting. But a new study published Jan. 21 in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences found that the largest sustained ice loss from early 2003 to mid-2013 came from Greenland’s southwest region, which is mostly devoid of large glaciers.

“Whatever this was, it couldn’t be explained by glaciers, because there aren’t many there,” said Michael Bevis, lead author of the paper, Ohio Eminent Scholar and a professor of geodynamics at The Ohio State University. “It had to be the surface mass—the ice was melting inland from the coastline.”

That melting, which Bevis and his co-authors believe is largely caused by global warming, means that in the southwestern part of Greenland, growing rivers of water are streaming into the ocean during summer. The key finding from their study: Southwest Greenland, which previously had not been considered a serious threat, will likely become a major future contributor to sea level rise.

“We knew we had one big problem with increasing rates of ice discharge by some large outlet glaciers,” he said. “But now we recognize a second serious problem: Increasingly, large amounts of ice mass are going to leave as meltwater, as rivers that flow into the sea.” .........
https://news.osu.edu/greenland-ice-melt ... udy-finds/


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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Tue 22 Jan 2019, 15:19:34

dohboi wrote:"Some seem to think..."



So yeah, we are quite likely to eventually get something in the range of 100 - 150 feet of sea level rise. But no, of course not in a year. I have literally never heard anyone claim such a thing. If you have, please do post a link. Otherwise, please leave off with the strawman fallacies. Thank you.


Well today we learn that the world will end in twelve years. Not sure if that includes fifty meters of SLR but close enough.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 22 Jan 2019, 15:41:09

I read the Fox version of that story. Good news, bad news.

AOCNmade some good points, but she opens her mouth and shot falls out. Giving her the benifit of doubt what she probably meant was we have 12 years (until 2030) to get our act together and after that we are toast. Of course she is young and has not yet learned how to moderate her mouth. (maybe she could fit in here?)

The other point I though fascinating was Fox did not argue CC was a problem, in fact they noted a few recent cooberating studies including some from the Trump Administration. So, despite the title, the article was reasonably reasonable. From FOX!
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby asg70 » Tue 22 Jan 2019, 15:48:37

When Fox concedes AGW you can bet it's too damn late to do anything to stop it.

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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 22 Jan 2019, 15:53:10

Well, he has been more honest than “Paris will fix it”, “Drill baby drill” Obama.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 22 Jan 2019, 16:12:35

. Environmental risks continue
to dominate the results of our annual Global Risks Perception Survey (GRPS). This year, they accounted for three of the top
five risks by likelihood and four by impact. Extreme weather was the risk of greatest concern, but our survey respondents are increasingly worried about environmental
policy failure: having fallen in the rankings after Paris, “failure of climate-change mitigation and adaptation” jumped back to number two in terms of impact this year.
The results of climate inaction are becoming increasingly clear. The accelerating pace of biodiversity loss is a particular concern. Species abundance is down by 60% since 1970. In the human food chain, biodiversity loss is affecting health and socioeconomic development, with implications for well-being, productivity, and even
regional security.


World Economic Forum (Davis) global risk assessment
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 22 Jan 2019, 16:47:50

Ah Ha!

Here is what AOC was referencing in her fumbled statement.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) bluntly said in October 2018 that we have at most 12 years to make the drastic and unprecedented changes needed to prevent average global temperatures from rising beyond the Paris Agreement’s 1.5oC target.


It’s contained in the executive summary of the report cited in the post above.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby Cog » Tue 22 Jan 2019, 17:16:00

AOC has also proposed a 70% tax rate for anyone making over $10 million a year to pay for this and a whole list of other things she wants.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 22 Jan 2019, 17:30:17

Cog wrote:AOC has also proposed a 70% tax rate for anyone making over $10 million a year


Many states also have income taxes of 7-10%, and sales taxes of 4-8%. Add in real estate taxes and capital gains taxes and the total tax rate would be hitting 90% or more in many states.

All that will do is drive the high income people to move away.

You actually take in less in taxes with a very high taxes rate then you would get with a lower but more reasonable tax rate.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 22 Jan 2019, 18:01:09

Here is an interesting snippet from the WEF report.

. A worst-case scenario—one in which the Gulf Coast ports in the US were shut down due to a hurricane at the same time as key roads in Brazil
were swamped owing to heavy rains—would cut off up to half of global soybean supply in one fell swoop.”22
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 22 Jan 2019, 18:19:56

Cog wrote:AOC has also proposed a 70% tax rate for anyone making over $10 million a year to pay for this and a whole list of other things she wants.


Cog,

This topic has nothing to do with AOC, your post is just a cheap political swipe at a soft target. I’ve trying to divert your attention to the correct source she scrambled, which has much merit.

As to the WEF Risk Assessment, the WEF is a very conservative economic think tank that praises growth, and Capitalism. It also supports globalization and the continuation of Western Culture.

if you were to download and read some of their report you may educate yourself on some issues that are discussed here regularly. The point is not to agree or disagree with their position, but to understand positions from a larger perspective.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 22 Jan 2019, 18:24:17

Plant,

What do you think of the WEF report?
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby jedrider » Tue 22 Jan 2019, 20:29:13

Newfie wrote:Here is an interesting snippet from the WEF report.

. A worst-case scenario—one in which the Gulf Coast ports in the US were shut down due to a hurricane at the same time as key roads in Brazil
were swamped owing to heavy rains—would cut off up to half of global soybean supply in one fell swoop.”22


Then we would have 'Peak Vegetarian'! Oh, how cruel the world can be.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby dohboi » Wed 23 Jan 2019, 16:02:10

jed, you're talking through your ... hat here.

"Around 70 percent of the world's soy is fed directly to livestock and only six percent of soy is turned into human food, which is mostly consumed in Asia"

http://www.onegreenplanet.org/environme ... restation/

So it is mostly meat eating that would be disrupted by such a situation.

But back a bit closer to topic

“What's my response when people say "we're f#cked" when it comes to climate change? Well here it is:
It's not binary. It is not ‘effed’ or ‘not-effed’. It's a matter of ‘how effed’ — that is left for us to determine. The more carbon we burn, the worse it gets."

— @MichaelEMann on climate change
https://twitter.com/TheAgenda/status/10 ... 2714106880

But also note:


https://www.axios.com/climate-change-sc ... 6938d.html
...The bottom line: Even if hard deadlines are scientifically flawed, they can be effective when it comes to activism. The 12-year timeframe, in particular, has been widely adopted by proponents of climate action.

• "We can quibble about the phraseology, whether it's existential or cataclysmic" impacts that we'll face without taking action in the next 12 years, Ocasio-Cortez spokesman Corbin Trent told Axios. But, he says, the reality is: "We're seeing lots of [climate change-related] problems that are already impacting lives."
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 23 Jan 2019, 18:18:59

Newfie wrote:Plant,

What do you think of the WEF report?


The World Economic Forum report on global risks?

Its interesting enough, but you have to remember that their perspective isn't mainly from the scientific side ----the people who wrote this report for the WEF are evaluating risks mainly based on an economic and actuarial perspective, i.e. which global risks are most likely to cost lots of money.

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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby Cog » Wed 23 Jan 2019, 19:10:39

Lots of money doesn't begin to describe it. They want nothing more than the destruction of capitalism itself. Which many on this board favor as well.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby dohboi » Thu 24 Jan 2019, 06:30:17

To paraphrase Grover Norquist, I'm not in favor of abolishing the capitalism. I just want to shrink it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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