[grungerock]

Does the specialist that looks into peak oil 2008 consider the diesel as well as gasoline (petrol)? I assume that the demand for gasoline is heaps higher than diesel, and if that is the case, shouldn't there be an abundance of diesel?

[OilBurner]

Diesel, gasoline, aviation fuel and lubricants are all by-products of the refining of oil.

Therefore, peak oil means peak everything. Besides, you'd be surprised just how much diesel is used, even in the US. In the UK, over 30% of all new cars sold are now diesel. In Europe that figure is even higher.

Don't expect there's lots of diesel around that nobody know's what to do with!!

[dmtu]

http://www.howstuffworks.com/oil-refining4.htm

In short you can crack or unify hydrocarbons through catalyst and whatnot to be whatever form of fuel you want. that doesn't mean it's cheap. Our resident oil engineer said it would take some major refinery changes.

[OilBurner]

Here's some preicse figures for US diesel usage:

http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/alternate/ ... ble10.html

In summary, in 2002 3.3 times more petrol than diesel was consumed.

According to Chevron, they produce 1.9 times more petrol (ahem gasoline) than diesel:

http://www.chevron.com/about/pascagoula ... prod.shtml

That suggest that some companies contribute more diesel than others, or perhaps export it to diesel hungry Europe.

Here's a breakdown into what oil directly produces:

http://science.howstuffworks.com/oil-refining2.htm

You can adjust the percentage of each fraction of the distiling process (to meet demand) by re-processing other fractions that are not as in demand. Therefore if you need more gasoline then you can take excess diesel and turn that into gasoline using cracking, unification or alteration processes.

Believe me, they'll try and ensure not a drop of oil is wasted when there's profit involved.

[smiley]

Peakoil especially applies to diesel and gasoline.

There are a number of different types of crude oil. They can be classified according to their gravity (heavy and light) and sulfur content (sweet and sour)

For making car fuels you preferably use light (easier to process), low-sulfur (environmental restrictions) crude.

I expect these types of oil to peak first, since you start develope the fields with the best quality of oil first.

As the refineries have to switch to lesser quality types of crude intake, the price of fuel will rise, due to the investments involved and the higher processing costs.

[Mark_i]

Diesel, gasoline, aviation fuel and lubricants are all by-products of the refining of oil.

Therefore, peak oil means peak everything. Besides, you'd be surprised just how much diesel is used, even in the US. In the UK, over 30% of all new cars sold are now diesel. In Europe that figure is even higher.

Don't expect there's lots of diesel around that nobody know's what to do with!!

Hi oilburner,


believe it or not, but the UK is geographically as well as politically a part of Europe

--> see:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe#Geography_and_Extent





And yes, here in Germany, more than 40% of newly registered cars here are diesel-powered, plus >99% of all larger trucks, buses and construction machines.

[Licho]

I can only add to this, that in Czechia, energy consumed by economy (not only transportation) derived from diesel is 5.5x more than from petrol (55PJ vs. 10PJ). So I guess that all oil products are used and consumed by economy, it's not dumped to sea
Peak oil is likely to affect all oil products to similar extent..

[dmtu]

Here's a breakdown into what oil directly produces:

http://science.howstuffworks.com/oil-refining2.htm

Yesterday I looked for a better breakdown of where all the crude goes. I'd like to see a long list that categorizes use into percentages, from jet fuel to medicine. I have a question similar to grungerocks concerning the use of plastics. Remember the days when you saved your glass soda bottles to redeem a nickle? How much longer till we cross the threshold where the soda companies wish they had stayed with glass? how about the cellophane used to wrap everything from meat to paper towels? If anyone has that list please submit it.

[OilBurner]

believe it or not, but the UK is geographically as well as politically a part of Europe

Hi Mark,

I guess you Germans may not be aware, but many people in the UK (myself included) don't really see ourselves as part of Europe, certainly not geographically. I think that comes from living on an island away from the rest of you lot!!

Colloquially then, when I say Europe I mean to say Mainland Europe. Sorry about the confusion! It does sound quite silly when you put it like that!! I think it is a useful distinction though, as Britain is very different to the rest of Europe, for instance we drive on the sensible side of the road . But that's another story entirely!!

:D

[Licho]

Offtopic:
very different? I didn't see anything different besides driving on opposite side and still using some crazy units (lb for example)

Oh yes, and really weird seperated hot and cold water taps in some houses

I thought that UK is part of Europe too, but if you feel more like independent island (34km (21m) away from mainland btw) so be it
Cyprus or Malta do feel to belong to Europe despite being Islands and further away from mainland.

[Aaron]

I'd like to see a long list that categorizes use into percentages, from jet fuel to medicine.

[Barbara]

Licho and Mark,
don't bother british citizens. You should know they feel they are a State of the USA!

[hymalaia]

according to that map, northern Iraq is also a part of Europe! Who knew?

[Pops]

Wait a minute! Iraq belongs to the US!

[Licho]

Europe, in our sense Europe ends with Ural, Caspian sea, Caucasus, Black sea, Mediterranean sea, Gibraltar.
So neither Turkey nor Iraq are in Europe.
On the other side, islands like Iceland or Ireland belong to Europe.

[Ayoob]

I've decided to sell my motorcycle and use the proceeds to pick up a mid-80's Merc diesel. I'm then going to install a SVO kit on it, and maybe a propane tank if I can get one to fit. I could also go with the Chevy Suburban if the propane can't be fit to the engine. I hear the propanes can only be used with American diesels for some reason.

Anyway, the idea is to wean myself off petroleum products starting now so I'll be a little less affected by the increasing price of gasoline. Even if gas gets to $20 a gallon I'll be able to continue with my business. My market isn't going away any time soon, either.

[JackBob]

I've decided to sell my motorcycle and use the proceeds to pick up a mid-80's Merc diesel. I'm then going to install a SVO kit on it, and maybe a propane tank if I can get one to fit. I could also go with the Chevy Suburban if the propane can't be fit to the engine. I hear the propanes can only be used with American diesels for some reason.

Anyway, the idea is to wean myself off petroleum products starting now so I'll be a little less affected by the increasing price of gasoline. Even if gas gets to $20 a gallon I'll be able to continue with my business. My market isn't going away any time soon, either.

What is "SVO"?

JackBob

[gnm]

SVO=straight vegetable oil - there are several companies which sell kits that have integrated heating elements and fuel lines to deliver the vegetable oil at the correct temperature/viscosity for a diesel engine. Very clever and a lot easier to fuel than making your own biodiesel....

-G

[JackBob]

SVO=straight vegetable oil - there are several companies which sell kits that have integrated heating elements and fuel lines to deliver the vegetable oil at the correct temperature/viscosity for a diesel engine. Very clever and a lot easier to fuel than making your own biodiesel....

-G

Ah, thanks for that, gnm. Despite a life spent among acronyms, that was one I hasn't kearned yet.

JackBob

[JackBob]

SVO=straight vegetable oil - there are several companies which sell kits that have integrated heating elements and fuel lines to deliver the vegetable oil at the correct temperature/viscosity for a diesel engine. Very clever and a lot easier to fuel than making your own biodiesel....

-G

Ah, thanks for that, gnm. Despite a life spent among acronyms, that was one I hasn't kearned yet.

JackBob

ahhhh...guess I meant learned yet.